Mitch Clark

[freocuz]

yep, it would be a 1st round pick. The lions have the upper hand into forcing freo to better it (ie extra player), as if not Clark can either stay at the lions or go to GWS where the lions will get that compo anyway + stop The GWS stealing redden next year.

Freo havent got as much power as their supporters believe

Yes, if GWS pick him then Brisbane will get excellent compo on that money. However, what if he says I want a 1 year contract at $1.2mil? Do you think GWS will take him? Or Port, or Richmond, or Dogs? Nope, they'll let him pass. Then we sign him up for a 1 year deal and immediately offer him a 3 year extension at $250K per year for the other 3 years.

It won't come to that, but the reality is that if he DID end up in the PSD, then it would be GWS or Freo. No-one else will take a shot.

 

[Books]

He wont be on any list if he decides he wants to play WAFL and train with Freo. Cant force him to be on a list.

So no he wont get $600,000 but the second part of your counter argument is a fail from you.

You are the weakest link...

Lol, you admit you're argumant has no basis yet you still act arrogant!?

How many people turn down $600,000 just so they can play in a weaker competition and then in twelve months time still be hoping for a trade to work, otherwise they go back in the draft.

The rest of your argument is irrelevant because that would never happen.

Goodbye.

 

[Football Pope]

Yes, if GWS pick him then Brisbane will get excellent compo on that money. However, what if he says I want a 1 year contract at $1.2mil? Do you think GWS will take him? Or Port, or Richmond, or Dogs? Nope, they'll let him pass. Then we sign him up for a 1 year deal and immediately offer him a 3 year extension at $250K per year for the other 3 years.

It won't come to that, but the reality is that if he DID end up in the PSD, then it would be GWS or Freo. No-one else will take a shot.

Wont happen...If a Player nominates his Football Payments he must do
so for a minimum period of two years.

 

[freocuz]

Wont happen...If a Player nominates his Football Payments he must do
so for a minimum period of two years.

OK, so $2mil over 2 years. Same result.

 

[Football Pope]

OK, so $2mil over 2 years. Same result.

Nah.. If he got that amount of do$h he would't care where he played... and we'd score a nice compensation from GWS......

 

[freocuz]

Nah.. If he got that amount of do$h he would't care where he played... and we'd score a nice compensation from GWS......

Which is exactly what I said. If he prices himself there, then only GWS will take him before us. If GWS pass, then Port, Richmond, Bulldogs and everyone else will pass. If GWS take him, it costs us nothing except a piece of our planning.

 

[Balony_pony16]

OK, so $2mil over 2 years. Same result.

WTF!!! So freo will put him on Fev like $$$'s and risk losing young guns in the future???

 

[freocuz]

WTF!!! So freo will put him on Fev like $$$'s and risk losing young guns in the future???

Seems only right given you expect us to do a Fev-like trade for him.

Year 1 $1mil
Year 2 $1mil
Year 3 $50K
Year 4 $50K.
Total $2.1 mil over 4 years, $525K pa.

All irrelevant anyway, it's extremely unlikely that he'll go into the PSD.

 

[Balony_pony16]

Seems only right given you expect us to do a Fev-like trade for him.

Year 1 $1mil
Year 2 $1mil
Year 3 $50K
Year 4 $50K.
Total $2.1 mil over 4 years, $525K pa.

All irrelevant anyway, it's extremely unlikely that he'll go into the PSD.

I get the whole 50k in year 3 & 4 to balance things out...but wouldnt year 1 & 2 limit the re-signing of players?

I just dont see it happening.

Im sure the lions and freo will sort out a trade quite easily and without fuss on day 1 so you will avoid trying to pull that stunt

 

[dlanod]

And given Clark was asking for a raise to $600k after his last couple of years, I think you'll find that after the first two million dollar years his manager will ask for a raise to at least $1.5 million based off glowing articles about Clark on SNF rather than accepting a pay cut.

 

[Football Pope]

Which is exactly what I said. If he prices himself there, then only GWS will take him before us. If GWS pass, then Port, Richmond, Bulldogs and everyone else will pass. If GWS take him, it costs us nothing except a piece of our planning.

Lyon can tell him first hand with his experiences about pricing.. in the '95 Pre-Season draft and all the planning with Sydney...IIRC..He & Roos were Sydney bound Roos Pick 1 and Lyon pick 3.....in all the planning seems there was a small problem with exceeding the salary cap the Swans couldn't use pick 3 and Ross ended up going pick 6 to Brissy.

 

[Books]

What?

Are you just a complete dumb *uck?

I was disagreeing with what you wrote idiot, not making my own statement.

Not once did I say he would turn down money to play in a lower level competition. I was agreeing with you that he wouldnt get $600,000 to run in WAFL (obviously you moron).

However what I was saying because you're so stupid you need me to explain it twice, is that he doesnt have to be on a list.

You follow so far?

If he doesnt want to be on a list guess what... he could play in the WAFL. In fact he could deliver papers if he wanted.

Also guess what.

If Fremantle want him to train with them then he can... that is allowed.

Im by no means suggesting this is any possibility rather just highlighting how stupid you are to throw my argument back in my face without having a clue.

Settle down and talk about the issue, don't go insulting people you don't even know. That is very poor form. If you think nasty = clever then move to Bay 13.

The issue is, and I think you agree - he WILL be on an AFL list because he will NOT turn his back on $600,000 + a year.

So therefore (follow the logic here please) he will NOT play for a WAFL club (unless he gets traded to Freo or WCE then gets dropped but he should be too good for that).

If you had another relevant point, feel free to make it in a logical, coherent way as befits a public forum, and I will judge your opinion on it's merits.

Back on topic - plenty of clubs will want Clark so the Lions should get a fair deal. If Freo are willing to negotiate sensibly they will get themselves a very good player.

 

[freocuz]

Back on topic - plenty of clubs will want Clark so the Lions should get a fair deal. If Freo are willing to negotiate sensibly they will get themselves a very good player.

The issue is that Clark has stated he wants to play for Freo. As he is out of contract, that puts Brisbane in a very vulnerable position.

Facts are that he can only change clubs via two methods.
1. Trade - Must be agreed to by all parties. Clark will not agree to be traded to a club other than Freo or WCE.
2. PSD - Luck of the draw, but Clark can insist on salary so if he has to move outside of Perth then the extra coin will ease the pain.

The only way Clark gets traded to anyone outside the WA teams is if he simply wants to get the hell out of Brisbane, no matter what the cost. I'd be surprised if that was the case. Unless it is the case, the other clubs can offer whatever trade they like to Brisbane. If Clark doesn't want to pay there, then he can't be traded.

 

[Books]

The issue is that Clark has stated he wants to play for Freo. As he is out of contract, that puts Brisbane in a very vulnerable position.

Facts are that he can only change clubs via two methods.
1. Trade - Must be agreed to by all parties. Clark will not agree to be traded to a club other than Freo or WCE.
2. PSD - Luck of the draw, but Clark can insist on salary so if he has to move outside of Perth then the extra coin will ease the pain.

The only way Clark gets traded to anyone outside the WA teams is if he simply wants to get the hell out of Brisbane, no matter what the cost. I'd be surprised if that was the case. Unless it is the case, the other clubs can offer whatever trade they like to Brisbane. If Clark doesn't want to pay there, then he can't be traded.

This is all true. However, as has been explained more than once earlier in this thread, the Lions would be happy to let Clark go the GWS (via PSD) rather than accept a token offer from Freo. A band 2 (or even 3) compo pick would be worth far more than a 2nd round pick and a fringe player.

So Clark may refuse to accept a trade to another club but that does not mean he will get to Freo. I am sure his manager will understand all of this.

Hopefully both clubs are sensible and Clark gets to where he wants to go. If posters on this board were working for the clubs involved, then GWS and Brisbane would be the winners, Clark and Freo would be the losers.

I hope Clark gets to Freo and I think he will. If they are willing to pay big dollars they should also be willing to offer an adequate trade. Otherwise they will just be messing around with a young mans future by making promises thay don't intend to keep.

The Lions may accept pick 16 or Zac Clarke as a straight swap but they would be justified in asking for more, IMHO.

 

[raffrox]

And I thought the Warnock threads a few years ago were tripe! These threads are just going around in circles really. I'd suggest if you look at the last few years Freo have targeted an uncontracted player in the PSD (i.e. McPhee and Anthony) and I'd see the same this year. I don't think Freo would want to use their PSD pick on Mitch and would much prefer a deal done.

Probability-wise:

80% - Clark is traded to Freo
10% - Clark goes to Freo via the PSD
5% - Clark stays in Brissy
3% - Clark goes to GWS in the PSD/ or trade
1% - Clark goes to another AFL team in the PSD/ or trade
0.5% - Clark takes a year off and plays WAFL
0.5 % - Clark takes a year off and becomes a pr0n star

As far as the trade goes (this is much more speculative of course):

75% - Clark for pick 16 (give or take a later round draft pick or two)
15 % - Clark for another Freo player or combo of players/later picks (i.e. Ibbo, Duffield etc)
7% - Clark for Clarke
2% - Clark for Clarke + pick 16
1% - Clarke for something more than this

When in trade week will this deal be done:

83% - Last day or two of trade week
10% - Somewhere between the first day and the last few days
6% - No deal will be done
1% - First day of Trade Week

Most likely outcome, a trade will be done for Mitch that will get him to Freo and that will involve our first rounder or a combination of players and picks (not our first rounder then) and it will happen in the last few days of trade week.

Thats right people, theres more chance of Mitch Clark becoming a pr0n star than a deal getting done on the first dy of Trade Week. Bookmark it

 

[freocuz]

This is all true. However, as has been explained more than once earlier in this thread, the Lions would be happy to let Clark go the GWS (via PSD) rather than accept a token offer from Freo. A band 2 (or even 3) compo pick would be worth far more than a 2nd round pick and a fringe player.

I certainly think Brisbane will let him go PSD rather than accept something that they won't use. I guess the only thing that they need to consider is whether GWS will take him, because if they don't then they would get nothing at all. I'd be surprised if they don't already know the answer to that, though. Would have been discussed thoroughly with Sheeds.

So Clark may refuse to accept a trade to another club but that does not mean he will get to Freo. I am sure his manager will understand all of this.

Agree. It depends how badly we want him, but it appears we are very keen.

Hopefully both clubs are sensible and Clark gets to where he wants to go.

I hope Clark gets to Freo and I think he will. If they are willing to pay big dollars they should also be willing to offer an adequate trade. Otherwise they will just be messing around with a young mans future by making promises thay don't intend to keep.

Confident it will happen. From my recollection, no club has ever played the spite card. Even Nick Stevens got to the city he wanted, even though it was a different club. These are young men's lives, and no club would want to be held accountable for not looking after the welfare of their players. And both teams would if things were pear-shaped.

The Lions may accept pick 16 or Zac Clarke as a straight swap but they would be justified in asking for more, IMHO.

Clark is worth more than Pick 16 in an open market. In a closed market like it is, it's about on the mark I reckon. Z Clarke is probably our biggest bargaining chip for the O'Meara pick, if he is going to be involved in any trade it will be with GWS.

 

[freocuz]

Probability-wise:

0.5 % - Clark takes a year off and becomes a pr0n star

When in trade week will this deal be done:

1% - First day of Trade Week

Thats right people, theres more chance of Mitch Clark becoming a pr0n star than a deal getting done on the first dy of Trade Week. Bookmark it

Other than this glaring error, I think you are spot on.

 

[Dormammu]

And I thought the Warnock and Tarrant threads a few years ago were tripe! These threads are just going around in circles really.

EFA. Major problem is that there's a lot of people who clearly haven't bothered to read the thread from the beginning.

So I'll add something new.

The only way that Freo will offer anything more than a second round pick+player is if WCE end up with a higher pick from their own trading (e.g., swapping an earlier 2nd round pick or, even more unlikely, another first rounder) which they can use to trump us.

And even that is a long, long shot as they have more than enough key forwards and their ruck stocks (with Lycett in the wings) are fine.

 

[Docker Dynasty]

I think that Freo will just need to match the Ward compo. If Brisbane dig their heels in they will go to mediation and I'm not sure that brisbane can argue against the equivalent of the compo they would get if he went to GWS. The AFLPA may get involved and it won't look good for a club to deny them returning to their home state either by not trading or another club picking him up in the draft.

Doubt it will go to the PSD. They will get pick 16 and maybe a fringe player.

 

[go_the_dockers]

Where has it been stated that Clark is will get the 2nd tier compensation (What buldogs got for Ward) if we went to GWS?

 

[Hollow Knight]

The only way that Freo will offer anything more than a second round pick...

Brisbane has 4 picks in in top 30. They will probably only use one more beyond that. Meaning you are essentially offering Brisbane a pick upgrade on their third rounder. That isn't going to get the job done.

 

[Books]

I certainly think Brisbane will let him go PSD rather than accept something that they won't use. I guess the only thing that they need to consider is whether GWS will take him, because if they don't then they would get nothing at all. I'd be surprised if they don't already know the answer to that, though. Would have been discussed thoroughly with Sheeds.



Agree. It depends how badly we want him, but it appears we are very keen.



Confident it will happen. From my recollection, no club has ever played the spite card. Even Nick Stevens got to the city he wanted, even though it was a different club. These are young men's lives, and no club would want to be held accountable for not looking after the welfare of their players. And both teams would if things were pear-shaped.



Clark is worth more than Pick 16 in an open market. In a closed market like it is, it's about on the mark I reckon. Z Clarke is probably our biggest bargaining chip for the O'Meara pick, if he is going to be involved in any trade it will be with GWS.

Good responses, thanks.

You may be right about Zac Clarke, I have no idea what he wants out of all this.

If it comes down to just draft picks, I think :
pick 16 plus the Palmer compo pick
for
M Clark and lions second rounder (aprox no. 34) this year
would be about fair.

Freo get Clark and still have two 2nd-round picks this year.
Lions get another 1st round pick plus a compo pick to bank for the future.
Clark gets to Freo.
Win / win / win.

JM2C

 

[THE_GUN]

GWS will have substantially more coin to pay him, which is what he will want if he has to play anywhere other than WA. If GWS pass, then everyone will pass.

He doesnt have a choice, he either plays or stays out of football and is out of pocket $600k ............... which he wont do

Why would he worry about staying out of footy when freo dont rate him enough to get the deal done & there is no guarantees he will get there the following year.

If he is pushed into the PSD he wont end up at fremantle.

 

[THE_GUN]

Good responses, thanks.

You may be right about Zac Clarke, I have no idea what he wants out of all this.

If it comes down to just draft picks, I think :
pick 16 plus the Palmer compo pick
for
M Clark and lions second rounder (aprox no. 34) this year
would be about fair.

Freo get Clark and still have two 2nd-round picks this year.
Lions get another 1st round pick plus a compo pick to bank for the future.
Clark gets to Freo.
Win / win / win.

JM2C

This will really piss off alot of fremantle supporters on this thread.

 

[Dormammu]

Brisbane has 4 picks in in top 30. They will probably only use one more beyond that. Meaning you are essentially offering Brisbane a pick upgrade on their third rounder. That isn't going to get the job done.

Fair enough - you've currently got 6 spots available so fair to assume that the sixth spot, plus any further delistings, will be filled with rookies/project players.

Brisbane's focus should therefore turn to negotiating with Freo to secure player(s) that it can use to strengthen its hand in the mini-draft. Mature bodies that GWS need like Crowley, Waters and Duffield could come into play.