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albyg said:
Love him or hate him (Hammill) his aggressive tackling in todays footy tackle mad style would be perfect, I am hoping Hahn would play a similar role.
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No doubting Hahn's endeavour but you've got to be able to actually get to the contest in order to lay the tackle. Pass.
 
Kramer1 said:
First impressions are usually right Faz...go with the gut.
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Take a look at the date posted Kramer Man :thumbsu:

albyg said:
Ummmm, I have been taught if you havent got anything to say, then say nothing. What is Ummmmm ........ Anyone??

Do you have something constructive to say?
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Nobody with an opinion of any worth is going to agree with you.

Hahn isn't going to be a Carlton player.

You can dress up his positive attributes all you like, but realistically he isn't a good fit for our club. If you cannot see this then it's my opinion that your opinion, at least on the topic of recruiting players, isn't worth a whole lot.

You're obviously a Hahn fan, based on your opinions from years ago and how keen you were in bumping this thread, but I'm concerned if you think he could add anything to where our side is going given his age and injury worries.
 
I will give you three players who to me at the beginning of last year were scrappers and just players who arent blessed with athleticism yet played in a premiership.

1. Macaffer
2. L Brown
3. Dawes.

Geelong have Rooke and missed him badly.

I know some of the players I mentioned above are different sizes etc, but they all have one common ingredient that Hahn has as well, they all have hard big bodies love the competition and do the hard stuff that others dont want to do.

You cant just have front runners who are great when all is going well, you need players that will get there hands dirty when needed.
 
Blue Dawn said:
No doubting Hahn's endeavour but you've got to be able to actually get to the contest in order to lay the tackle. Pass.
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WTF? Making a contest is Hahn's greatest attribute!! Diving smothers, backing into packs to take a hospital mark, the guy gets to/creates plenty of contests... My only criticism is he doesn't nail as many goals as he should.
 

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thylacine60 said:
Bow to your better knowledge on Hahn although I still think he's worn out. It was your suggestion he played anything like Sammy that unsettled me a little. Not a chance.
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Well he would be a poor mans Hammill, (I am still suffering withdrawals from him leaving, lol).....
 
TheKITC said:
Take a look at the date posted Kramer Man :thumbsu:



Nobody with an opinion of any worth is going to agree with you.

Hahn isn't going to be a Carlton player.

You can dress up his positive attributes all you like, but realistically he isn't a good fit for our club. If you cannot see this then it's my opinion that your opinion, at least on the topic of recruiting players, isn't worth a whole lot.

You're obviously a Hahn fan, based on your opinions from years ago and how keen you were in bumping this thread, but I'm concerned if you think he could add anything to where our side is going given his age and injury worries.
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In todays tackle mad game, where making a contest to keep the ball in the forward line is what won Collingwood a flag, who have we got with that desperate desire (and strength to do so) to win the ball???

So do you still think he is not a good fit??
 
albyg said:
In todays tackle mad game, where making a contest to keep the ball in the forward line is what won Collingwood a flag, who have we got with that desperate desire (and strength to do so) to win the ball???

So do you still think he is not a good fit??
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Who would you replace on our forward line to put Hahn in??

Hahn's 2010 stats - 19 games, 54 tackles, 15 goals & 16 behinds, were nothing really special compared to our forward line players.

Waite - 16 games, 56T, 38g, 14b
Hendo - 19 games, 38T, 25g, 19b
Betts - 23 games, 76T, 42g, 29b
Garlett - 20 games 73T, 39g, 21b
Yarran - 16 games, 53T, 19g, 11b
Houlihan - 13 games, 31T, 15g, 4b
Robbo - 16 games, 67T, 14 g, 4b.

Hahn would be taking up a position where a younger player could be developed and getting experience and/or stuffing up our plans to play Juddy up forward more often.

Hahn is also 8 months older than Houlihan and hasn't got his kicking skills.

You do the math - Hahn will be 30yo next year and imo doesn't really fit our needs. Similar reason I wasn't that excited about chasing Tarrant. I'd rather go for a 22 to 25 yo player who might offer 5 to 8 years service, when we become a genuine top 4 - premiership threat, rather than a fill in player for 1 or 2 years.
 
zeeCFC said:
no thanks, Setanta could play his role better!
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Lets not get too carried away, we are talking on field not the waterboy position!
 
albyg said:
In todays tackle mad game, where making a contest to keep the ball in the forward line is what won Collingwood a flag, who have we got with that desperate desire (and strength to do so) to win the ball???

So do you still think he is not a good fit??
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Another stupid thread. Dont know why it got bumped.

Even 3 years ago i wouldnt have wanted him, he is a hack of the highest order.

Yes he does grunt work, but he has no skill whatsoever in any facet of his game.

Mitch Robinson provides genuine hardness and he has plenty of upside and hes young.

Why do we have to get a delisted or a player over 28 from another club for? Or are some people that go for this, just that stupid.

You normally have to trade for good players, and if their that good you have to give up something good (normally).

Chris Johnson is a perfect example.

If you want Mitch Hahn at Carlton your a flog.
 
Griffs_Revenge said:
Lets not get too carried away
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That should be your membership slogan. Every year your clubs teases you with breaking the drought, and as supporters you get sucked in every year for your clubs to lose miserably.

I would just head into a PF and expect to lose, and maybe sometime in the decade half century you might be surprised.

No more disappointment no more heartbreak.

"Lets not get carried away".

Griffs_Revenge said:
we are talking on field
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What the fck would you know about on field performance?.

I dont count PF as success btw.
 

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bluepride said:
Another stupid thread. Dont know why it got bumped.

Even 3 years ago i wouldnt have wanted him, he is a hack of the highest order.

Yes he does grunt work, but he has no skill whatsoever in any facet of his game.

Mitch Robinson provides genuine hardness and he has plenty of upside and hes young.

Why do we have to get a delisted or a player over 28 from another club for? Or are some people that go for this, just that stupid.

You normally have to trade for good players, and if their that good you have to give up something good (normally).

Chris Johnson is a perfect example.

If you want Mitch Hahn at Carlton your a flog.
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The only flog here is yourself, why throw insults moron, I can do it too, it doesn't achieve anything.

Just answer this question honestly, at the beginning of last year would you have considered , McCaffer and L Brown as hacks?? You know who they replaced? Skillful players like Fraser and Lockyer, you need guys that do grunt work, this is why I am suggesting Hahn.

To answer another point, he played in the backline for a lot of last season, hence the minimal goals.
 
albyg said:
Just answer this question honestly, at the beginning of last year would you have considered , McCaffer and L Brown as hacks?? You know who they replaced? Skillful players like Fraser and Lockyer, you need guys that do grunt work, this is why I am suggesting Hahn.

To answer another point, he played in the backline for a lot of last season, hence the minimal goals.
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You have a good point regarding players like McCaffer and Brown, but I do think you are slightly off the mark.

Those 2 players aren't in the Collingwood team solely for their grunt work. They are average footballers (although I actually rate McCaffer) who are in the team because they best fit the game plan as prescribed by Malthouse.

Every year we see premiership teams with players who we previously believed were ordinary, or below average footballers. The fact that these players are premiership players can be attributed to one of a few factors:

1) The ordinary players being elevated by the stars around them. I don't think this is the case with Collingwood, as they have very few 'stars' - and that's not being disrespectful to them in the slightest.
2) The team has an outstanding game plan, and the players whom are selected on match day may not be the most talented available, however they perhaps fit the plan better than those more talented players.

Option 2 is clearly the case with Collingwood.

On the topic of Hahn -

I have a soft spot, and a sense of real admiration for players who are less talented than those around him, yet perform admirably regardless.

I'm a huge fan of players that will constantly put their body on the line for the betterment of the players around him.

Conversely, I have little time and am often extremely critical of players who seem allergic to physical contact and don't want to, or can't, make every decision out on the field to reflect a team attitude rather than one for personal gain.

Hahn well and truly fits into the first category. A couple of years back, I really enjoyed watching him on the footy field because he's one that will guarrantee you 100% effort 100% of the time. His toughness is something that I really look for, and admire, in a footy player.

But - looking at him this season, it's clear that the game is slowly but surely passing him by. He struggled in a role that he had almost made his own in the Bulldogs team over a number of seasons. He was moved down back with limited success.

His time is up. A few years ago I would have been all for getting him to the club, but now he has run his race.
 
Jeremias said:
You have a good point regarding players like McCaffer and Brown, but I do think you are slightly off the mark.

Those 2 players aren't in the Collingwood team solely for their grunt work. They are average footballers (although I actually rate McCaffer) who are in the team because they best fit the game plan as prescribed by Malthouse.

Every year we see premiership teams with players who we previously believed were ordinary, or below average footballers. The fact that these players are premiership players can be attributed to one of a few factors:

1) The ordinary players being elevated by the stars around them. I don't think this is the case with Collingwood, as they have very few 'stars' - and that's not being disrespectful to them in the slightest.
2) The team has an outstanding game plan, and the players whom are selected on match day may not be the most talented available, however they perhaps fit the plan better than those more talented players.

Option 2 is clearly the case with Collingwood.

On the topic of Hahn -

I have a soft spot, and a sense of real admiration for players who are less talented than those around him, yet perform admirably regardless.

I'm a huge fan of players that will constantly put their body on the line for the betterment of the players around him.

Conversely, I have little time and am often extremely critical of players who seem allergic to physical contact and don't want to, or can't, make every decision out on the field to reflect a team attitude rather than one for personal gain.

Hahn well and truly fits into the first category. A couple of years back, I really enjoyed watching him on the footy field because he's one that will guarrantee you 100% effort 100% of the time. His toughness is something that I really look for, and admire, in a footy player.

But - looking at him this season, it's clear that the game is slowly but surely passing him by. He struggled in a role that he had almost made his own in the Bulldogs team over a number of seasons. He was moved down back with limited success.

His time is up. A few years ago I would have been all for getting him to the club, but now he has run his race.
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I don't think Hahn was ever blessed with pace or anything like that, so age I dont think at 29 yo has a bearing on his game style. The usual trend of football is to copy and tinker a bit with the premiers game plan, this is the angle I am coming from with Hahn and his bullocking style, hence the comparisons to L Brown and MaCaffer.

If you look at Hahn stats in the prelim, he had 13k 5h 7m 2Goals (the most for the WB) 1b and importantly 5 tackles. The other important thing here is he is 99kg and his tackles stick and wear opposition players down.
 

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Aphrodite said:
He's not required now :confused: ;)
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Obviously. Much like Hammill, his bash and crash style game play has unfortunately cut short his career.
 
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bluepride said:
That should be your membership slogan. Every year your clubs teases you with breaking the drought, and as supporters you get sucked in every year for your clubs to lose miserably.

I would just head into a PF and expect to lose, and maybe sometime in the decade half century you might be surprised.

No more disappointment no more heartbreak.

"Lets not get carried away".



What the fck would you know about on field performance?.

I dont count PF as success btw.
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Talk about having a cry, good luck if you think Sentana is a good option but back in the real world it is a disgrace he collects a paycheck from "playing" footy. We will leave the shit slogans to Carlton, what was that you were cooking last year, horse shit, no passengers this year, well there goes half your team.

albyg said:
If you look at Hahn stats in the prelim, he had 13k 5h 7m 2Goals (the most for the WB) 1b and importantly 5 tackles. The other important thing here is he is 99kg and his tackles stick and wear opposition players down.
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The prelim was Hahn's best game in a while but the key factor there was it was raining bringing the pace of game back to his level.
 

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