Tom Lee was traded for a pick upgrade actually with St Kilda also receiving pick 24 from Gws. The value of this is far less than a first rounder alone,whilst Tom Lee was also playing in the wafl not the tsl and was 21 not 24.
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Tom Lee was traded for a pick upgrade actually with St Kilda also receiving pick 24 from Gws. The value of this is far less than a first rounder alone,whilst Tom Lee was also playing in the wafl not the tsl and was 21 not 24.
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I know what he was traded for, it was a throwaway line. There were just as many bigfooty posters that had seen highlights of Lee saying that we should sell the farm for him and there were others saying he was worth a rookie spot only. The bottom line is that players generally get taken where they are supposed to.
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I was talking about Pitt and Simpson.
Sorry, I assumed you couldn't possibly be writing off a skinny first year player after 1 game. But I did suspect the other one was Pitt, I just didn't feel like it was necessary to explain how a player being forced to retire after a previously undetectable heart problem has absolutely no bearing on a scouts ability to detect talent.
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I've said it before and I'll keep saying it. It's really shit luck for Pitt to have his career and, pretty much, his dream killed by something out of his control. But I never rated him. I just didn't see a lot of confidence and AFL ability from Pitt. So heart-issue and forced retirement aside, I still rate that pick as a pretty shit one.
Simpson meanwhile is someone I have almost no opinion on. Just hope. Like all draftees who find themselves in Fremantle. I hope he comes good but I just think the gamble is a really big one for a first rounder. The guy has bigger commitments than footballer and I'm not entirely sure chances like that should be taken in the first round. I really hope I'm wrong, but I don't really think it's that smart.
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Jesus christ I do not know! I'm not a recruiter and I don't spend time watching U19 footy except VAFA. But it's the sentiment of picking someone from a rural area, who has a strong family tie, and who has the big task of being 18 and having a kid. The adjustment to AFL life was always going to be a big ask, especially for an Aboriginal guy who are pretty family orientated people.
But players taken after:
• Brody Grundy: Will end up being the best ruckman in the comp in five years. Taps and placement so good I, for some reason, chortle at the sight. Roves his own footy. Gun. A Zac Clakkas/Grungy duo in four years would be amazing, better than Clarke/Hannath or Clarke/Moller.
• Marco Paparone: Unorthodox kick. Probably the oddest kick I've seen from a relatively decent pick. But his built well and wouldn't hurt our forward stocks
That's fair enough I wasn't sold on him either, but he was a skinny project player and other than Darling (who was overlooked for reasons other than talent) there aren't a lot of players drafted after him who had shown much more in their first 2 seasons either and in his only game this year he had possibly his best WAFL game. So I think the jury was probably still out on him.
But anyway my original issue was with you saying
which to me implies that the recruiters were at fault for not detecting his bigger issue in life.
A "spud who panics when they get the footy" seems like a pretty strong opinion.
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What? That was in reference to Pitt. Though ambiguously written, you've picked up on the ambiguity for your own argument. Pitt always did seem stunned, a deer in headlights, and just didn't seem to get the football enough. And didn't do enough when it was dished to him.
I can't comment on Simpson because, though I saw his game live, I just don't think he was near it enough in an absolute flogging for it to be any barometer on his skills or potential. Pitt was thrust into a decent game environment and had a few more chances.
I'm not attacking you, but this mindset is what annoys me.
Jack Darling hasn't tarnished his name since being drafted, has he? He was punched, which doesn't advertise him too well, but he didn't do the attacking. All the issues he supposedly had have never been clearly stated to the public and it's a matter of innuendo.
Josh Simpson has a kid and seems a genuinely decent young kid. No issue there. But his off-field issues have seemingly had more of an influence, for the negative, on his development. This might be wrong so call me wrong, but didn't he miss a few weeks entirely? As in, no appearances even for East Fremantle ressies? I'd rather Jack Darling's issues but our on-field issues eradicated.
And then you have Col Sylvia. A guy who was found to have hit a woman. All class. Freo turn a blind eye to a pretty shit act. A very shit act. Yet his influence is more of an upgrade, rather than Darling potentially filling our massive void.
People really like to pick and choose. All I care about is the on-field activities, in all honesty. I want a flag and I don't care if Dayle Garlett kicks the winner.
People and recruiters crucified Darling for rumour but an act just as heinous is somehow overlooked for Sylvia.
Ok, looks like I've misinterpreted your original post, but I still say it's too early to judge Simpson and unfortunately we'll never be able to adequately judge Pitt.
Recruiter are interested in the players current personality. Andrew Krakour seemed to have genuinely changed after his assault conviction which is why he was given a second chance. Fev didn't change and no one touched him after Brisbane. This appears to be an appropriate thread to talk about this because Mitch Thorp was apparently moved on because his attitude and its effect on his performance, and now a few years later after an apparent improvement in attitude he appears set for a second chance. It looks like they made the wrong call on Darling's personality, just like they did with Clayton Collard's, but both appeared to have the talent.
Also just fyi, I don't think Sylvia was even charged for assaulting his girlfriend let alone convicted, so you probably shouldn't be saying "was found to have hit a woman"
Recruiter are interested in the players current personality. Andrew Krakour seemed to have genuinely changed after his assault conviction which is why he was given a second chance. Fev didn't change and no one touched him after Brisbane. This appears to be an appropriate thread to talk about this because Mitch Thorp was apparently moved on because his attitude and its effect on his performance, and now a few years later after an apparent improvement in attitude he appears set for a second chance. It looks like they made the wrong call on Darling's personality, just like they did with Clayton Collard's, but both appeared to have the talent.
Also just fyi, I don't think Sylvia was even charged for assaulting his girlfriend let alone convicted, so you probably shouldn't be saying "was found to have hit a woman"
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Just a court order in the end it seems. Most evidence would back it. I don't really buy into the notion of him changing but then again I just don't care. As long as he does what he said he'd do – and that's make Freo a better side.
Innnnnnnnnteresting.
It's not like we were the only ones that passed on Darling, there must have been something that clubs were very wary of.
I think you can buy into the notion of him changing. Some Melb supporters have been on here and said he is the "king of the kids" in reference to him visiting sick kids in hospital, and generally turning the corner and being a good citizen.
I met him personally on my way to the GF, and he was a great bloke and very friendly. The old Sylvia maybe had some issues, but more than reasonable to say he has matured and the current Sylvia is someone whose current personality (as someone else said) is perfectly fine.
Thorp wasn't delisted to the TFL because of his football ability
http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/sport/a/-/afl/19909927/dockers-blues-take-a-close-look-at-thorp/
The 2006 No.6 draft pick is a strong chance to return to an AFL list in 2014 after four years in the wilderness.
With a national draft pool light on talented talls, the 24-year-old 194cm, 96kg forward has attracted interest from a number of clubs in need of a marking target.
Fremantle are believed to be one of those clubs, with Carlton also looming.
The 2006 No.6 draft pick is a strong chance to return to an AFL list in 2014 after four years in the wilderness.
With a national draft pool light on talented talls, the 24-year-old 194cm, 96kg forward has attracted interest from a number of clubs in need of a marking target.
Fremantle are believed to be one of those clubs, with Carlton also looming.
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I'd suggest us trading Barlow for Darling would be the equivalent of getting r*ped. If we're going to ship out one of our elite mids then we should get an elite player in return. Darling is a very good 2nd/3rd tall. He's not nearly worth Barlow. Now, trading Barlow and a set of steak knives for Jeremy Cameron would be worth doing. But GWS wouldn't be so stupid.
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After we get Mitch Thorp, we will not need Darling.
Trading Barlow for Ducker Darling - lol. The only club he really gives a shit about is Club Bay View.
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I'd trade Micky for Darling in a heart beat, Pitt looked like he wasn't going to make it regardless of health condition and if we got Thorp late - I'd be very happy.
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True.