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The amazing thing is Gunnar's first post was actually quite logical and fairly well thought out. And Johnson did come good after he had played "15 odd tests"
 
ahhhhhh said:
You are embarrassing yourself LTD
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How so?

Pointing out how far of the mark a certain know it all poster was?

I had been saying all along, Johnson had shown enough in previous games before that thread was made that he was going to be a very good bowler. A few ODI's he played against India when he destroyed a powerful batting lineup was proof enough for me. I remember him bouncing KP in a CT match, he may have even hit KP in the helmet and then following it up with a perfectly pitched fuller bowl which KP tried to drive and edged to Gilchrist.

Just little things like that suggest that a bowler has talent. Gunnar's original post in this thread doesn't say directly but it defintely leans to the fact that Gunnar doesn't think Johnson is up to it.

He tried to deny it but i won't be fooled.

Rest assured Gunnar, if he was still allowed on the cricket borad, wouldn't be bringing this thread up anytime soon.
 
LIONS then DAYLIGHT said:
How so?

Pointing out how far of the mark a certain know it all poster was?

I had been saying all along, Johnson had shown enough in previous games before that thread was made that he was going to be a very good bowler. A few ODI's he played against India when he destroyed a powerful batting lineup was proof enough for me. I remember him bouncing KP in a CT match, he may have even hit KP in the helmet and then following it up with a perfectly pitched fuller bowl which KP tried to drive and edged to Gilchrist.

Just little things like that suggest that a bowler has talent. Gunnar's original post in this thread doesn't say directly but it defintely leans to the fact that Gunnar doesn't think Johnson is up to it.

He tried to deny it but i won't be fooled.

Rest assured Gunnar, if he was still allowed on the cricket borad, wouldn't be bringing this thread up anytime soon.
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you know what? I half wish that gunnar wasn't banned, just to see if he would actually admit for once that he was wrong, or whether he would fill this thread with defensive rubbish about how he wasn't really "wrong", as such, just misunderstood... :rolleyes:
 

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Borgsta said:
The amazing thing is Gunnar's first post was actually quite logical and fairly well thought out. And Johnson did come good after he had played "15 odd tests"
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With comments like "I reckon Johnson could go either way" and "It might all click for him once he's played 15-odd tests", it's hard to be wrong.

I wonder what hurts more, the red card or the splinters?
 
I've been saying it for a few months now, Gunnar always has a bit each way, it would be nice of him to go "right, i think it will happen like this and here is why".

He did vote "no" on the poll and that evidence along with his opening post suggests that he didn't think Johnson had the ability to be in the side.

I can see him reading this thread, stamping his feet, saying "i didn't mean that, i didn't, i didn't".
 
Borgsta said:
The amazing thing is Gunnar's first post was actually quite logical and fairly well thought out. And Johnson did come good after he had played "15 odd tests"
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I'm not sure if you're old enough but I certainly am to see what Dennis Lillee did on the field and if he says this guy is one in a million, I believe him.
 
Ice goddess said:
I think we can afford to carry him at the moment with Clark and Lee bowling so well. Our attack is comfortably the best in world cricket so just let him continue to develop. Someone should help him with his accuracy though.
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2nd post on the board. Not even a year ago.

Amazing how things change quickly!
 
His performance this Test was very disappointing. Especially last night when the match was on the line. It seemed like he's regressed from his form in South Africa.

Do you think this will last? Or is it just one of those things that happened because of a lack of bolwing going into the series?

All I know is that if bowls those pies for a couple more Tests he might have to worry about his spot with Lee and Clark pushing hard.
 
I don't think his place in the team will be questioned. But he is more suited to fast, bouncy wickets. He'll be ok.
 
courtjester said:
I don't think his place in the team will be questioned. But he is more suited to fast, bouncy wickets. He'll be ok.
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The type of pitch doesn't really matter if you're landing them three foot outside off.

I love Mitchy, but he was ****ing woeful last night.
 
King Elvis said:
The type of pitch doesn't really matter if you're landing them three foot outside off.

I love Mitchy, but he was ****ing woeful last night.
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He is hot and cold. Not consistent. Agree he needs to develop that. I think he's worried about how hittable he becomes when there's no bounce, could explain the balls pushed wide?
 
Every time he went back to his mark he was trying to practice his action. Clearly struggling with it.

If they didn't have so many question marks over Lee and Clark and Hauritz I bet they wish he got 2 practice matches in.
 

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courtjester said:
He is hot and cold. Not consistent. Agree he needs to develop that. I think he's worried about how hittable he becomes when there's no bounce, could explain the balls pushed wide?
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I think Jed is right - his action lacked consistency, both his arm height on delivery, and his follow through? Balls pushed wide - trying too hard?

I think you're going easy on him with bounce - Siddle got plenty, Hilf got a decent amount; Mitchell struggled too - was his arm too low when he bowled?
 
courtjester said:
Could be right mate. Did notice his arm action was slinging really low.
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I was half asleep so I can't remember - was he falling away badly in his delivery stride and follow through as well?

McGrath always said it best - bowling, when you know your game and technique, is a relatively simple process; there are generally only 3-4 things you can be doing wrong outside of your perfect process; check them, address them, and get back on track.

The problem with Mitchell is that he still places enormous pressure on himself, and while McGrath might have as well, Johnson's response when he struggles is still to get down on himself and drop his head a little - which makes it hard for him to come back from session to session, let alone over to over.
 
From what I could see he was trying to get it to swing it in early in his spell after lunch. As soon as he went around the wicket, he was made sure not to put it too far to leg. At this time, they probably should've brought on siddle, instead of persisting with Johnson. He cant swing the ball because his rist position has gone back to where it was in Aus last summer. He needs to try to get it closer to in SA earlier this year imo.
 
At times his arm action almost seems horizontal. Seems to bowl better when he sort of 'runs through' his delivery stride higher and has his arm higher, seems to pull him thru his delivery better.

I'm no expert though.
 
King Elvis said:
I was half asleep so I can't remember - was he falling away badly in his delivery stride and follow through as well?

McGrath always said it best - bowling, when you know your game and technique, is a relatively simple process; there are generally only 3-4 things you can be doing wrong outside of your perfect process; check them, address them, and get back on track.

The problem with Mitchell is that he still places enormous pressure on himself, and while McGrath might have as well, Johnson's response when he struggles is still to get down on himself and drop his head a little - which makes it hard for him to come back from session to session, let alone over to over.
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MJ has such a clunky action compared to someone like Pigeon. You get the feeling that a slight loss of rhythm has the potential to derail MJ's bowling a lot further.
 

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weevil said:
MJ has such a clunky action compared to someone like Pigeon. You get the feeling that a slight loss of rhythm has the potential to derail MJ's bowling a lot further.
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Definitely - and I don't think he's quite mentally tough enough (yet) that he can bounce back from it and get back into his groove quickly enough; in fact, the opposite, he starts to get wayward, he gets down on himself, tries harder instead of 'going back to basics,' and struggles more.
 
courtjester said:
I don't think his place in the team will be questioned. But he is more suited to fast, bouncy wickets. He'll be ok.
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The thing he's not suited to is the new ball. He wastes the ball far too much for new ball duties. At a time when it was so important to make batsmen play every ball, he was bowling 4 balls an over 2-3 feet outside off stump.

I realise he has 97 Test scalps in just 22 Tests, but I'm not all that impressed by him to be honest.
 
The first thing they should do is leave him out of anything to do with reverse swing. This whole fascination with it is ridiculous. The guy was bending the ball late in South Africa in the traditional method. Why change it?
 
Adelaide Hawk said:
The thing he's not suited to is the new ball. He wastes the ball far too much for new ball duties. At a time when it was so important to make batsmen play every ball, he was bowling 4 balls an over 2-3 feet outside off stump.

I realise he has 97 Test scalps in just 22 Tests, but I'm not all that impressed by him to be honest.
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I'm inclined to agree about the new ball thing. Maybe we're better to open with Hilf and Siddle and have Johnson 1st change?
 
The kind of hype around Mitchell Johnson leading up to the first test match reminded me of the buildup around Dale Steyn in the English media leading up to the first test match between SA and England last year.

Basically the media had built up Steyn to be some sort of assasin, and that England would be lucky if one of them isn't killed by a rampaging Steyn.

Anyway Steyn was belted around and looked ordinary and England said he was "over-rated". Prematurely it turned out.

In the next match Steyn tore the heart out of England and SA went on to win easily.

Mitchell Johnson needs a fair amount of bowling to reach his best, he'll click at Lords.
 

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