Mitchell Marsh

[The Falcon Strike]

'Will have' is past tense meaning from when he was axed until now. How can we say it has changed when he didn't start bowling until 24th November?

His quality with bowling has never been in question. It is what carried him to 21 tests on the back of inept batting.

If he is back bowling at 140k as has been suggested - then it is his batting which is all that needs assessing.

 

[frankrizzo]

New skipper will be needed as well if marsh is going to work at 6, smith clearly just isn't on board and so we often don't get full is of marsh bowling skills.

They need to tell smith to bowl marsh in longer spells or they need to sack smith.

 

[pugsville]

New skipper will be needed as well if marsh is going to work at 6, smith clearly just isn't on board and so we often don't get full is of marsh bowling skills.

They need to tell smith to bowl marsh in longer spells or they need to sack smith.

Nope. Just because you want the capability does mean you have to use it all the time. With 5 bowlers one is nearly always underused, markedly. We have four very strong front line bowlers. Baring injury or an absolute road we don't need much backup.

The Selectors pick Mitch in the 13 because they wanted the flexibility to play him if the conditions warrant it. Does not mean they have to pick him. Even picked in the 11 does not preset our tactics.

 

[frankrizzo]

If we don't need to bowl him that often we don't pick him at all, you don't pick a bloke who hasn't made test runs at 6 just as an insurance policy for a tired or injured bowler.

 

[Chuckie357]

Marsh is a better bat than Sayers, and will be only there to bowl if one of the quicks gets injured and to give them a rest. I doubt he will bowl 20 overs for the match, why would you pick a frontline bowler who won't bowl 20 overs

Edit: Bird would be ahead of Sayers anyway, especially at the WACA

You don’t take 60 wickets in a shield season if you are a hack! The fact that Jackson Bird was allowed to par take in the shield match against the red backs (because he is the word) and Sayers not shows that the selectors were shit scared of looking stupid for not picking him.

 

[Richard Cranium]

Like Steve Waugh's average of 25 after his first 26 tests?

Absolute plodder of the highest order.

The bloke is 26 and was picked before he was ready and before he started making red ball runs.

IF and that's a big IF - we want a seam bowling all-rounder - who is better in the country?

Mitch's overall first class average is 30.07. Forgive me for not getting too excited by a couple of scores on WACA roads.

 

[Snarls Barkley]

I don't really care if it's clicked for him in a couple of shield games and he's bowling over a certain speed.

The fact of the matter is, he has played 21 tests, that's a hell of a lot of sample size, that's only 4 games less than his brother who has 5 tons and averages just under 40 and is almost as much maligned.

An average of 21 with the bat and 37 with the ball is the definition of an absolute shit truck, who atm would go down as probably the worst player Australia has produced, that has played over 20 tests, in the past 25 years.

It's not as if his first class record is that much better, he averages 30 with the bat and 29 with the ball.

Cummins averages 30 with the bat at FC level, if they want a bowling all-rounder, promote S.Marsh to 5, Paine to 6, Cummins to 7 and play Chad Sayers as complete point of difference to the rest of the bowling unit.

We'd be getting far more value..

75 first class matches at a batting average of 30 just isn't good enough for a bloke who's bowling at test standard indicates he is a batting all-rounder.

Has a terrible test record and should never have played that many games when it was clear he wasn’t ready. It’s a little unfair to say he has a poor FC record while including his test failings.

His FC numbers minus his test career is quite decent. 54 matches, 2815 runs at 33.11, 87 wickets at 26.06. Batting averages could be better but recent form suggests it’s on the way up. His numbers suggest he is still the best all rounder in Australia. I still don’t understand why we have to play an all rounder when no one is good enough though, it’d be great to have Stokes but we don’t. Just back the four bowlers to get the job done and back the batsman to bat long enough to give the bowlers a rest.

It’s too early to write him off as a test player, he’s only just turned 26 and a lot of players get better after this age. But it’s way too early to bring him back into the test setup in my opinion. Hasn’t had enough time to fully get over the issues he had when he was in the test team and I can’t see him succeeding this time around.

 

[Doodlesweaver]

Has a terrible test record and should never have played that many games when it was clear he wasn’t ready. It’s a little unfair to say he has a poor FC record while including his test failings.

His FC numbers minus his test career is quite decent. 54 matches, 2815 runs at 33.11, 87 wickets at 26.06. Batting averages could be better but recent form suggests it’s on the way up. His numbers suggest he is still the best all rounder in Australia. I still don’t understand why we have to play an all rounder when no one is good enough though, it’d be great to have Stokes but we don’t. Just back the four bowlers to get the job done and back the batsman to bat long enough to give the bowlers a rest.

It’s too early to right him off as a test player, he’s only just turned 26 and a lot of players get better after this age. But it’s way too early to bring him back into the test setup in my opinion. Hasn’t had enough time to fully get over the issues he had when he was in the test team and I can’t see him succeeding this time around.

Good post. I suspect everyone wants the selectors to just leave him alone to get a proper run in first class cricket for at least a year. Let him go to Surrey too and leave him with them for the entire English summer. Will do him the world of good.

 

[The Casey Cat]

We wouldn’t be having this discussion if the WACA curator actually did his job and produced a true WACA pitch!

Yep. No real excuses here WACA is cricket only now isn't it? So they shouldn't be drop ins.

 

[archibald]

Like Steve Waugh's average of 25 after his first 26 tests?

Absolute plodder of the highest order.

The bloke is 26 and was picked before he was ready and before he started making red ball runs.

IF and that's a big IF - we want a seam bowling all-rounder - who is better in the country?

Steve Waugh had an average of 31.17 after 26 tests with 10 fifties. Marsh would kill to have shown that kind of potential.

 

[footyfan1978]

Yeah I just don't understand their obsession with him.

He's a competent seamer but there's no way he's a Test #6. He's more of a lower-order slogger type.

Do they hope he'll morph into 2005-era Flintoff at some point?

He is more your Simon O'Donnell type from 1980's. O'Donnell was tried at Test level in 1985 I believe, batted no 6 probably on Ashes tour but bowling and batting just not Test standard. However, he was ideal for one dayers and think Mitch Marsh basically same type. Got no problem Mitch Marsh a regular on one day side but Tests a massive stretch imo unless improves his batting out of sight to make it in batting order on batting alone.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Yep. No real excuses here WACA is cricket only now isn't it? So they shouldn't be drop ins.

What’s to bet it’s the biggest road ever seen though!

 

[Heisenberg_]

Maxwell scores 270 odd and 96 in his last two innings, literally kicking the door down for Handscombs spot, but they bring this dud in instead.
I take it that we will have a unchanged lineup then, bowling isn't our issue, batting is and Marsh won't help.

 

[Seagrave_Holmes]

I love the rationale for having a fifth bowler if one of the front line quicks get injured. How often does a bowler go down in game? Meanwhile we just limit our ability to post decent scores carrying one less batsmen. If we make more runs our bowlers should have less work to do.

 

[danielnajdek]

Hope the 3 or 4 overs he bowls will be good ones.

 

[Buzzasto DaSilva]

Would prefer that add Sayers, Bird or even Copeland, and bat Starc or Cummins at 7. I'm not suggesting Starc or Cummins be an all rounder, more that they add more with the bat than Mitch Marsh, while Bird/Sayers offers a lot more with the ball. I'd rather go in with an extra bowler than expect Marsh to adequately perform as a 6 or even 7.

Hoping Mitch can be a test level all rounder one day, but constantly moving him around is not helping his consistency with bat or ball.

 

[The_Reaper]

Yep. No real excuses here WACA is cricket only now isn't it? So they shouldn't be drop ins.

Well the talk was that the old curator Cam Sutherland got the sack because he wasn't happy with the directives on what wickets to prepare. And the complaints about the spicy wickets came from CA.

 

[The Casey Cat]

Well the talk was that the old curator Cam Sutherland got the sack because he wasn't happy with the directives on what wickets to prepare. And the complaints about the spicy wickets came from CA.

Wouldn't surprise. All about drawing it out to five days. Money more important than results to our ####ed up admin.

 

[G Mus]

You don’t take 60 wickets in a shield season if you are a hack! The fact that Jackson Bird was allowed to par take in the shield match against the red backs (because he is the word) and Sayers not shows that the selectors were shit scared of looking stupid for not picking him.

Sayers is a home truth for the poms, they'd be glad to face some of their home cooking imo

 

[Stevi_Tigers]

What more does Maxwell have to do dropped unfairly from the side goes back to the shield makes 200+ and a 98 yet can’t get a look in but this bloke marsh is kissed on the dick

 

[The_Eagles]

M Marsh is part of the reason the Scorchers have dominated the Big Bash. He's got star potential. Swashbuckling batsmen, hard pitch hitting seamer

 

[Outshined]

The mass wrist slitting is hilarious.

He hasn't even been picked yet.

 

[eddiesmith]

As funny as the thought of 2 Marshes is, the other thing I find funny is they will pick a bloke who has bowled in just 3 innings as insurance for another bowler getting injured...

 

[Bigtrev41]

As funny as the thought of 2 Marshes is, the other thing I find funny is they will pick a bloke who has bowled in just 3 innings as insurance for another bowler getting injured...

This has been coming for a long time... Bowled alot of overs...

 

[RookiePick]

Well the talk was that the old curator Cam Sutherland got the sack because he wasn't happy with the directives on what wickets to prepare. And the complaints about the spicy wickets came from CA.

Ponting spat the dummy about the WACA pitch after the 2012 test against the Proteas when we got our asses handed to us.