Mitchell Marsh

[The Passenger]

Watson averages nearly the same because he was easily at their level as a bowler.

Would vehemently disagree with that. You are talking about blokes with 960 and 770 FC wickets. Not even a contest. No coincidence both had their best seasons when they had their best run with selection (In the same manner also had their best run at selection because of their best performances at test level). At the time with McGrath and Gillespie around competition for that third quick spot was pretty fierce - Lee got the best run at it but even he was in and out of the side a fair bit. You can throw Lee into this argument as well. His average is not significantly better than Watson, but it's not even close as to who was the better bowler.

Even disregarding Watson's body, his bowling would've never stood up long term as a third quick required to trot out 25+ overs a match. If his batting failed (and his body didn't) he would struggle to get picked in test cricket as a third quick. Once again disregarding batting and body would Watson's bowling ever get picked for Queensland in front of Bichel or Kasprowicz. Not a chance... Still, he's a very good #5 bowler. Crafty, used the seam well and adept at breaking partnerships.

 

[Belnakor]

He had a very slow start so his figures were dragged down a bit. He really wasn't a 30 bowler. Far better than that. Well, he would have been if he'd bowled at the stumps more often.

he had two years (2004-2005) where he was averaging 25 with the ball. The rest of the time he averaged about 40. Same with the bat, generally averaged 30 with the bat cept for 2004. So we had 1 good year as a genuine all rounder, the rest of the time his batting = bowling average.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Freo Big Fella Congrats...

This will be bumped when shit hits the fan.
Batted well today, no question. The premature fapping as if he's made it is laughable.
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When he proves he's not merely Watson 2.0 then we'll talk.

Well well well. Back to potato form.
Who’d have thought he could only score on a road

A lot of people filling up on humble pie this festive season.

Selectors 3-0 up on the Australian public.

Calm down Glenn.

Some very bitter Marsh-haters deleting my post. It's okay, my backside isn't sore like yours.

Honestly I don't think Marshes would've made 100s if not for the shit they copped. So thanks pricktorians

The reality is that Marsh is comfortably one of the (if not the) most prodigious talents we have nationally not yet entrenched in the Test side.

He has been poor up to this point. Why? Well, a variety of factors. Being selected when he wasn't worthy, match situations when he came in to bat, injuries, big lapses in confidence and also technique.

His performance today shouldn't come as a huge surprise (though it does due to the above factors), especially to those who have seen his work growing up. Has always been a cut above most levels developing and found it difficult initially stepping up into the big leagues. No big shame in that.

The challenge now is to back it up and become the world-class all rounder he is certainly capable of. At least he should have some support now.

Went back to the Shield, made runs. Back in the test side, made runs.

He's doing everything the selectors are asking of him - obviously you won't be satisfied unless he averages 60+ with the bat and under 25 with the ball, but thankfully the opinion of flogs on the Cricket Board doesn't carry that much weight.

Dear assorted Western Australian muppets.
He’s shit.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

That was always going to be the question- whether he could do it consistently.

Just not sold on him at 6

 

[Hellgood]

Couple of poor tests with the bat, but think he'd get a pass for his performance overall in South Africa.

Certainly first XI for mine. Like most seem to be at the moment, I'm reasonably keen to get Maxwell in the line up, but wouldn't be at his expense.

 

[Wolfs]

Couple of poor tests with the bat, but think he'd get a pass for his performance overall in South Africa.

Certainly first XI for mine. Like most seem to be at the moment, I'm reasonably keen to get Maxwell in the line up, but wouldn't be at his expense.

Maxwell over Handscomb for me.

 

[archibald]

Couple of poor tests with the bat, but think he'd get a pass for his performance overall in South Africa.

Certainly first XI for mine. Like most seem to be at the moment, I'm reasonably keen to get Maxwell in the line up, but wouldn't be at his expense.

Personally i'd drop Shaun for Maxi. What's left to develop?

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Personally i'd drop Shaun for Maxi. What's left to develop?

I agree about development but he needs to stay. Paine needs a senior head to guide him through this tough 12 month period.

 

[archibald]

I agree about development but he needs to stay. Paine needs a senior head to guide him through this tough 12 month period.

He's a more senior player, but he's very reserved and doesn't ooze leadership. Khawaja and Lyon are adequate in that regard. Should use the 12 months for development purposes.

 

[Richard Cranium]

jesus christ, we're talking about Tim Paine, Ussie and a Marsh brother as leaders for our Test side?

these are dark days comrades, dark days.

 

[Old Stuckup]

I don’t think you can really critique a poor performance after ‘the incident’. It’ll be playing in their heads for a while.

 

[DrEvil_]

jesus christ, we're talking about Tim Paine, Ussie and a Marsh brother as leaders for our Test side?

these are dark days comrades, dark days.

And that's an improvement over the previous leaders.

 

[kane249]

Well well well. Back to potato form.
Who’d have thought he could only score on a road




















Dear assorted Western Australian muppets.
He’s shit.

Steve Smith, the number one ranked test batsman heading into the series, scored less runs and averaged less. Bancroft and Warner were the only batsman to have scored more runs than him heading into this match.

That should tell you everything you need to know about how great the batting has been as a whole this tour. For your sake I hope you're trolling Gero.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Steve Smith, the number one ranked test batsman heading into the series, scored less runs and averaged less. Bancroft and Warner were the only batsman to have scored more runs than him heading into this match.

That should tell you everything you need to know about how great the batting has been as a whole this tour. For your sake I hope you're trolling Gero.

I’m not. I flat out don’t rate Marsh. He’s only good on roads and his bowling is negligible.

I don’t care what Smith has done, we know he’s world class. His average in tough conditions in in the 20s which is where his career average is situated. That ton on the WACA freeway hasn’t fooled me. He is not good enough to bat in the top 6 for this country. Unfortunately due to cheating we’ll be carrying him for the next few months.

If you’re concerned with how others have scored this tour then start a thread on them. This is for Marsh who for all intents and purposes is a failing and flailing test batsman.

P.S. the lack of defence for those who I’ve quoted says it all. Really is hard to defend

 

[kane249]

The whole team has struggled but you want to somehow single out Mitch? Did he shag your missus or something?

He's had more than just the WACA innings also but you're that single minded it's not going to matter to you.

 

[Blue1980]

I’m not. I flat out don’t rate Marsh. He’s only good on roads and his bowling is negligible.

I don’t care what Smith has done, we know he’s world class. His average in tough conditions in in the 20s which is where his career average is situated. That ton on the WACA freeway hasn’t fooled me. He is not good enough to bat in the top 6 for this country. Unfortunately due to cheating we’ll be carrying him for the next few months.

If you’re concerned with how others have scored this tour then start a thread on them. This is for Marsh who for all intents and purposes is a failing and flailing test batsman.

P.S. the lack of defence for those who I’ve quoted says it all. Really is hard to defend

He has the highest individual score of this series for us and was the 2nd biggest factor after Starc for us winning the first test.

He hasn’t been great the other 3 tests but who has? You’d be dropping everyone if you dropped him.

I’m not saying he’s a guaranteed lock forever but should at least be in our next test team in Zimbabwe

 

[Blue1980]

The whole team has struggled but you want to somehow single out Mitch? Did he shag your missus or something?

He's had more than just the WACA innings also but you're that single minded it's not going to matter to you.

Exactly, just has an axe to grind and never liked Marsh previously so just wants to be proven correct

 

[Art Vandelay_]

He has the highest individual score of this series for us and was the 2nd biggest factor after Starc for us winning the first test.

He hasn’t been great the other 3 tests but who has? You’d be dropping everyone if you dropped him.

I’m not saying he’s a guaranteed lock forever but should at least be in our next test team in Zimbabwe

Difference is the others have runs on the board. Khawaja averages iirc somewhere around 50 at home. Shaun Marsh isn’t too bad. Handscomb and Renshaw were dropped when their form dipped. So why is the golden boy any different?

 

[PhatBoy]

Difference is the others have runs on the board. Khawaja averages iirc somewhere around 50 at home. Shaun Marsh isn’t too bad. Handscomb and Renshaw were dropped when their form dipped. So why is the golden boy any different?

You’re going to use Khawaja’s home figures to justify his inclusion yet you’re happy to completely disregard Marsh’s 3 centuries in his last 3 tests at home, and a good knock (on a flat pitch) in the only situation all summer where Australia were under real pressure?

He’s played 27 tests, most of them before truly earning the right to.

Suddenly he seems to have found the ability to play a long innings, he’s played a good knock against an exceptional attack (and taken two very crucial wickets) to help win his side an away test, and NOW you want to put the boot into him?

 

[Art Vandelay_]

You’re going to use Khawaja’s home figures to justify his inclusion yet you’re happy to completely disregard Marsh’s 3 centuries in his last 3 tests at home, and a good knock (on a flat pitch) in the only situation all summer where Australia were under real pressure?

He’s played 27 tests, most of them before truly earning the right to.

Suddenly he seems to have found the ability to play a long innings, he’s played a good knock against an exceptional attack (and taken two very crucial wickets) to help win his side an away test, and NOW you want to put the boot into him?

I’ve been critical about Khawaja’s performances away from home before. Not relevant here. This is about Marsh, a player whose position as a top 6 batsman for this country is tenuous at best.

Everyone keen to bring other players into it. This is about Marsh. You want to discuss Khawaja or Handscomb on Hazlewood start a thread on them. He’s not proving his detractors wrong is he. Can’t score against good opposition and can’t score unless it’s a road, the fact that many others in the team have issues that are similar is a discussion for another thread [development of junior batsmen]. If we’re so keen to bring other players into this then Joe Burns, Handscomb and Renshaw were all dropped for superior records. Yet sub 30 for a top 6 bat is acceptable? Come off it.


Is two centuries and three fifties from 45 innings good enough for someone in the top 6 yes/no?

 

[PhatBoy]

I’ve been critical about Khawaja’s performances away from home before. Not relevant here. This is about Marsh, a player whose position as a top 6 batsman for this country is tenuous at best.

Everyone keen to bring other players into it. This is about Marsh. You want to discuss Khawaja or Handscomb on Hazlewood start a thread on them. He’s not proving his detractors wrong is he. Can’t score against good opposition and can’t score unless it’s a road, the fact that many others in the team have issues that are similar is a discussion for another thread [development of junior batsmen]. If we’re so keen to bring other players into this then Joe Burns, Handscomb and Renshaw were all dropped for superior records. Yet sub 30 for a top 6 bat is acceptable? Come off it.


Is two centuries and three fifties from 45 innings good enough for someone in the top 6 yes/no?

I replied to a post in which YOU compared him to Khawaja and Shaun Marsh.

Can’t score against good opposition..... that would carry more weight if he hadn’t just scored, basically, a century a few tests ago against the world’s best team and attack in their own backyard.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

I replied to a post in which YOU compared him to Khawaja and Shaun Marsh.

Can’t score against good opposition..... that would carry more weight if he hadn’t just scored, basically, a century a few tests ago against the world’s best team and attack in their own backyard.

Assuming you’re talking SA in SA he has 96 in the first test and has failed to pass 50 in the next 6 innings.
So no weight added.

1 good innings in 7 adds credibility to your argument how?

 

[PhatBoy]

Assuming you’re talking SA in SA he has 96 in the first test and has failed to pass 50 in the next 6 innings.
So no weight added.

1 good innings in 7 adds credibility to your argument how?

Because a) it proves he can play a decent knock against decent bowling - or have you forgotten typing the words ‘he can’t score against good opposition’? and b) it’s as good as anyone else has done in this series. Oh, and if his captains actually used him slightly more regularly he might be capable of add8ng to the 4 wickets at 24.5 he had prior to this test.

 

[PhatBoy]

I think one thing we can all agree on, is that after losing 3 specialist batsmen to suspension, what needs to happen is that the guy who has averaged 49.6 since being recalled to the side - and happens to bowl - gets dropped.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Because a) it proves he can play a decent knock against decent bowling - or have you forgotten typing the words ‘he can’t score against good opposition’? and b) it’s as good as anyone else has done in this series. Oh, and if his captains actually used him slightly more regularly he might be capable of add8ng to the 4 wickets at 24.5 he had prior to this test.

Yes by all means take everything to its most literal meaning. I can see why you argued with Ros all the time.
Is 1 good innings in 7 good enough yes/no?

See again. Bringing others in to defend it. Others failures doesn’t absolve his.
Stop squirming and answer a simple yes/no question.