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Mitchell vs Hodge

Who is the better player

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People picking Mitchell easily are forgetting Hodge had Mitchell comfortably covered between 2004-2010. Mitchell has defied his age and produced his best football from 29 onwards.

Hodges best is better than Mitchells, but Mitchells best is also very good. Mitchell is unbelievably consistent, but Hodge is also very consistent.

Overall, all things considered, Mitchell by the tightest of Margins.





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detox said:
People picking Mitchell easily are forgetting Hodge had Mitchell comfortably covered between 2004-2010. Mitchell has defied his age and produced his best football from 29 onwards.
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No Mitchell has been elite since 2005 it's just it took the media years to catch on, Mitchell was better in 03,04,06,08,09,11,12,13,15
 
Procrastinator35 said:
Yeah...nah

So wrong on both counts.

Luv Sammy as much as any other Hawk....But he can't make the distance from inside 50 off either foot & never has.

Podge's right is almost as good as his left....You need to watch games more closely.
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Mitchell kicks longer off his left, which is why he sometimes shoots for goal with his left foot, and even then he sacrifices accuracy for distances.

Hodge on the other hand . . .



That second goal off one step goes through almost post height from outside the 50 . . .
 

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Feels wrong even picking one. I'll say that Hodge is the slightly better player, but Mitchell has had the better career for a few reasons (relatively injury free, more consistency in the role he was asked to play).

Could easily swap my answer if you asked me in a week.
 
Hodges one step left footers go around 60 no doubt plus that right foot point he kicked in last years gf was from 50 and made the distance comfortably. They are very different type of footballers and that's one of the main reasons Hawks do so well in the middle mixing and matching. Mitchell racks up high numbers even when Hawks lose, as for hodge, well as a hawthorn supporter I feel very comfortable when Hodge is in the guts from the start of games and starts winning a lot of the ball. Plus Hodgey kicks goals pretty much every time he plays in the middle. He played a half on Dangerfield and a half on fyfe this year and more than held his own on both occasions. I love what Mitchell does but for me it's Luke Hodge.
Funny coincidence that just a few days ago I was with a few mates at golf and we had the question of Hodge or Burgoyne?
 
Hodge fairly comfortably imo. Mitchell is a consistent workhorse of the highest order but Hodge has always been on another level. The gap appears to have narrowed in recent times but Hodge offers his team a wide range of flexibility, something they won't be able to replace when he retires.
 
detox said:
People picking Mitchell easily are forgetting Hodge had Mitchell comfortably covered between 2004-2010. Mitchell has defied his age and produced his best football from 29 onwards.

Hodges best is better than Mitchells, but Mitchells best is also very good. Mitchell is unbelievably consistent, but Hodge is also very consistent.

Overall, all things considered, Mitchell by the tightest of Margins.





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Hodge was better in 2005 and 2010. 2008 is 50/50 - Mitchell was better Rnd 1-16 whilst Hodge was better Rnd 17-GF (when moved to the back line). Mitchell has been better every other season* (B&F's, coaches votes, brownlow votes, stats - everything backs that up).

*Didn't count 2014. Hodge may have been better cumultively as Mitchell missed 8 weeks with a hammy but Mitchell was probably better when both were on the park.
 
Bobby_ said:
Hodge fairly comfortably imo. Mitchell is a consistent workhorse of the highest order but Hodge has always been on another level. The gap appears to have narrowed in recent times but Hodge offers his team a wide range of flexibility, something they won't be able to replace when he retires.
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Workhorse is a term that does a disservice to Mitchell. Better used to describe a Scott West maybe who was prolific but didn't always hurt you. Mitchell is a playmaker of the highest order for mine and he is the best user of the ball in a heavy traffic contested situation I have seen since Diesel Williams. He just never wastes the ball and always sets up his teammates.

To me he is now placed only behind GAJ and Judd when it comes to the modern midfielders of his generation. Hodge doesn't make that level for mine. Always seen Mitchell as an underrated player. As to the captaincy Hodge is a great leader and Hawks decided to do the change and you get the feeling Mitchell didnt stand in the way. Still Mitchell could have easily enough been kept on as captain and become a 4x flag skipper. Don't think the change has been anything that has changed the course of the Hawk journey.
 

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Gone Critical said:
Workhorse is a term that does a disservice to Mitchell. Better used to describe a Scott West maybe who was prolific but didn't always hurt you. Mitchell is a playmaker of the highest order for mine and he is the best user of the ball in a heavy traffic contested situation I have seen since Diesel Williams. He just never wastes the ball and always sets up his teammates.

To me he is now placed only behind GAJ and Judd when it comes to the modern midfielders of his generation. Hodge doesn't make that level for mine. Always seen Mitchell as an underrated player. As to the captaincy Hodge is a great leader and Hawks decided to do the change and you get the feeling Mitchell didnt stand in the way. Still Mitchell could have easily enough been kept on as captain and become a 4x flag skipper. Don't think the change has been anything that has changed the course of the Hawk journey.
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agree with you on sam mitchell great midfielder, i place him up there with ablett and judd as you say, i also have him along side voss, buckley and hird as great mids of the modern era.
 
Gone Critical said:
To me he is now placed only behind GAJ and Judd when it comes to the modern midfielders of his generation.
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Fair enough.
To me, he has never been a goal kicking midfielder and those are the players I personally rate very highly. Most of the greatest midfielders to ever play the game could kick goals. While he is undoubtedly one of the best disposal users of his generation, he comes up fairly short on the offensive side of the game.
When you say he is now behind Junior and Judd, you believe he is above Michael Voss, James Hird (though a jack of all trades) and other great midfielders of the past 10-15 years?
I wouldn't think so. I'd put Mitchell in Simon Black's class. Often not regarded as their best player but certainly a true champion in their own right.

Mitchell's reading of the play seems to be a little quicker than most. While he has been Hawthorn's most consistent footballer, I don't believe he's been their most influential player as Hodge and Franklin take the cake in that regard.
Certainly one of the best of his generation but when it comes to Ablett & Judd, Ablett particularity, those two sit comfortably among the top 20 footballers of all time.
 
Bobby_ said:
Fair enough.
To me, he has never been a goal kicking midfielder and those are the players I personally rate very highly. Most of the greatest midfielders to ever play the game could kick goals. While he is undoubtedly one of the best disposal users of his generation, he comes up fairly short on the offensive side of the game.
When you say he is now behind Junior and Judd, you believe he is above Michael Voss, James Hird (though a jack of all trades) and other great midfielders of the past 10-15 years?
I wouldn't think so. I'd put Mitchell in Simon Black's class. Often not regarded as their best player but certainly a true champion in their own right.

Mitchell's reading of the play seems to be a little quicker than most. While he has been Hawthorn's most consistent footballer, I don't believe he's been their most influential player as Hodge and Franklin take the cake in that regard.
Certainly one of the best of his generation but when it comes to Ablett & Judd, Ablett particularity, those two sit comfortably among the top 20 footballers of all time.
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Generationally I was using a smaller time frame. He is behind Judd and GAJ and also Hird, Voss, Buckley and Riccuito. Simon Black is a good level.
 
Bobby_ said:
Fair enough.
To me, he has never been a goal kicking midfielder and those are the players I personally rate very highly. Most of the greatest midfielders to ever play the game could kick goals.
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You make a good point about his goalkicking. Definitely a knock on him
 
Barring injury, Mitchell will play his 300th in round 16 against Port in Adelaide......damn it. I am hoping that he has a couple of rest games against lower teams so he can play it in round 18 vs Richmond at the MCG (not that I will be in the country, but it would be great if it happened).
 
Gone Critical said:
You make a good point about his goalkicking. Definitely a knock on him
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Yeah it's about the only thing he clearly trails the other greats on (Ablett, Judd, Hird, Buckley, Voss, Ricciuto, Black, Williams) but he stands up in other major areas. He leads on average disposals (even above probably the greatest ever accumulator, West), second in tackles per game (behind Judd), and third in marks per game (Behind Hird and Buckley). I only wish that I could find averages for clearances and score involvements for all mentioned players to compare.

*Edit* Though many would not consider him a great, Priddis currently has Mitchell on disposal average by 0.1. However, he's played 88 fewer games than Mitchell, so whether Priddis can maintain that for a few more years is yet to be seen. (Just thought it was interesting).
 
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beta_condition said:
That;s up for debate, Hodge having Mitchell easily covered is laughable.
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I'm just glad we've got them both: Their careers & achievements thus far, places their partnership right up alongside that of Matthews/Knights & Brereton/Dunstall IMO.
 
Bobby_ said:
Mitchell's reading of the play seems to be a little quicker than most. While he has been Hawthorn's most consistent footballer, I don't believe he's been their most influential player as Hodge and Franklin take the cake in that regard..
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Agree with this.
 
Mitchell is one of THE best readers of the play in the competition and our best player, a 'little better' seems to be selling him short. Especially to stay as prolific as he has been for so long at his diminutive size without missing too many games through injury. If he had been Captain instead of Hodge for the duration he wouldn't have a peer in our team when it came to influence. Very under rated footballer.
 
Mitchell would probably kick more goals himself if he wasn't the one so damn good at delivering the ball inside 50 to a target. His vision and ability to execute a 'thread the needle' kick inside a congested 50 to the chest of a target is probably the best in the league.

It makes no sense for him to be just another player inside 50 when he can do the above. He generally converts when given his chances within 40m of goal.
 

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