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Can someone explain to me how Astros reliever Stanek gets credited with the win?

He came in top of the 7th (score 3-3), 2 outs, runner on 1st

He threw 5 pitches: Strike, Strike, Ball, Foul, Ground ball to short stop --> out at 2nd

That was it. He threw the eq. fewest number of pitches in the game and got one guy out
It seems like a bit of a stretch to say he was the pitcher who won Houston the game.
 
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JezzasOnTheAsphalt said:
Of course not. But he’s hardly been getting on base and was walked a couple of times tonight. Compared to the rest of their offence he’s an out to try to cash in on.
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I think the moment might've been too big for Sawamura. Clearly overcome by the pressure.

He was all over the shop. He landed one ball in the dirt, just short of a length. :$

We probably won't see him again this series.
 
Back One Out said:
Can someone explain to me how Astros reliever Stanek gets credited with the win?

He came in top of the 7th (score 3-3), 2 outs, runner on 1st

He threw 5 pitches: Strike, Strike, Ball, Foul, Ground ball to short stop --> out at 2nd

That was it. He threw the eq. fewest number of pitches in the game and got one guy out
It seems like a bit of a stretch to say he was the pitcher who won Houston the game.
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Basically he came in, held the score to 3-3, Houston scored two runs (one of them before another Houston reliever came in) and Stanek gets the win. Houston’s starter also pitched fewer than 5 innings, so he didn’t qualify for the win.
 
RPCB said:
Basically he came in, held the score to 3-3, Houston scored two runs (one of them before another Houston reliever came in) and Stanek gets the win. Houston’s starter also pitched fewer than 5 innings, so he didn’t qualify for the win.
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So there is no subjectivity involved? They just work backwards off the scorecard and see which pitcher was in the game when the match-winning lead was taken?

If so, it's a bit of a misleading pointless stat, especially for the bullpen pitchers.
 
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Back One Out said:
So there is no subjectivity involved? They just work backwards off the scorecard and see which pitcher was in the game when the match-winning lead was taken?

If so, it's a bit of a misleading pointless stat, especially for the bullpen pitchers.
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Yeah, pretty much. Came in, held the Red Sox with scores tied, Houston grab the lead and hold it to win, Stanek gets the win. It’s that simple, haha.
 
RPCB said:
Yeah, pretty much. Came in, held the Red Sox with scores tied, Houston grab the lead and hold it to win, Stanek gets the win. It’s that simple, haha.
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A reliever could do a similar job to Stanek tonight, but 10 times throughout the season and he might end up with a 10-0, 10-1 W/L record. But one of the starting pitchers might bust his arse thought the season and pitch really well for 6 or 7 innings every game, but only end up with a 9-12 record because his team trailed 1-2 in most games he played.
 

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Back One Out said:
So there is no subjectivity involved? They just work backwards off the scorecard and see which pitcher was in the game when the match-winning lead was taken?

If so, it's a bit of a misleading pointless stat, especially for the bullpen pitchers.
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There can be subjectivity to which reliever gets the win but 99% of the time it's the one who pitches last before the offence took the lead.

Starting pitchers can't get the the win if the pitch less than 5 innings

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Back One Out said:
A reliever could do a similar job to Stanek tonight, but 10 times throughout the season and he might end up with a 10-0, 10-1 W/L record. But one of the starting pitchers might bust his arse thought the season and pitch really well for 6 or 7 innings every game, but only end up with a 9-12 record because his team trailed 1-2 in most games he played.
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Yep, as dumb as it sounds, when looking at pitcher statistics, wins arent the most important stat in a pitchers record.

Shelby Miller for the braves in 2015 was a prime example. ERA of 3.02 and a 6-17 record. Never got any run support

Jacob degrom is a perfect example of a pitcher who doesn't get enough wins for his ERA die to lack of run support.

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FRUMPY said:
Yep, as dumb as it sounds, when looking at pitcher statistics, wins arent the most important stat in a pitchers record.
Shelby Miller for the braves in 2015 was a prime example. ERA of 3.02 and a 6-17 record. Never got any run support
Jacob degrom is a perfect example of a pitcher who doesn't get enough wins for his ERA die to lack of run support.
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But am I wrong in saying the Cy Young candidates are often the pitchers with 20 wins and not the guys with the best ERA ?

Or maybe that has changed a bit over the years (since Moneyball and the increased focus on meaningful stats)
 
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Martinez grand slam!

4-0 Sox

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