MM out...MM in

[barwick]

Lets hand over the reigns to a reformed gambler, alcoholic and off-field disgrace...

That's the way to lead our club... oh wait... HES REFORMED! it's all good then...

Everitt and Gardiner... let's build that culture we all want so badly

*chokes on the bull**** some people speak*

No you dont give the top job to mick mcguane but you have him under guy mckenna, i think mick maguane has got a fantastic footy brain and his efforts in lesser known company has been excellant. Sorry to say this but i think mick malthouse may have run his race.

 

[PieLebo87]

No you dont give the top job to mick mcguane but you have him under guy mckenna, i think mick maguane has got a fantastic footy brain and his efforts in lesser known company has been excellant. Sorry to say this but i think mick malthouse may have run his race.

AMEN

 

[Murray]

No you dont give the top job to mick mcguane but you have him under guy mckenna, i think mick maguane has got a fantastic footy brain and his efforts in lesser known company has been excellant. Sorry to say this but i think mick malthouse may have run his race.

Will be the coach until the end of 2007 - end of story

 

[MarkT]

Changing coaches to anyone else would be a risk, so why would you multiply that risk by hiring a relatively inexperienced coach compared to other candidates on offer?

Why? It’s pretty simple. If MM isn’t going to win a premiership (and that is the only relevant criteria) then a new coach represents a chance you didn’t have. Sure it may not work but what can you lose? A few ladder positions and better draft picks? Leigh Mathews was an untried coach when he took over Collingwood. Paul Roos was an untried coach when he took over Sydney. There have been more misses than hits in that time but that isn’t the point. I’d much rather take a risk and maybe find the next coach of the year than take no risk and continue as we are.

MM represents no risk. No risk that we will win a flag.

There are at least 10 other assistant coaches in the AFL that Collingwood would consider before McGuane starting with McKenna.

More than happy to consider all the options. If we do it we have to do it quickly though. Coaching options will diminish the longer we take.

But the days of inexperienced coaches taking the head role ended a while back now. Matthews might have done it but it was a different era which doesn't apply now.

How does that work? Laidley, Worsefold, Roos, Craig, Clarkson all have been given a first opportunity in recent years. MM has more coaching experience than any of them and he is only 1 option.

If we're that desperate to hire a Collingwood man to coach us, IMO Gavin Brown would be a fair way ahead of McGuane.

I’m not that desperate but I’d consider McGuane. IMO Rowdy is too introverted. Still, I’d be happy to consider him. In the end all I want is the option to be chosen. I think MM may be that but I acknowledge the history. IMO it is time for Collingwood to be daring.

 

[magpies42]

what a joke! you guys are pathetic! The pies have shown glimpses of being the best side in the comp this year. I dont understand ppl who jump off the bandwagon that easily. we are rebuilding and 5th place is a good finish for our list.
Sunday's game was a stinker which doesnt mean we should cut half teh list and the coach. They will learn from that and improve for next year.

 

[Hadders]

Why? It’s pretty simple. If MM isn’t going to win a premiership (and that is the only relevant criteria) then a new coach represents a chance you didn’t have. Sure it may not work but what can you lose? A few ladder positions and better draft picks? Leigh Mathews was an untried coach when he took over Collingwood. Paul Roos was an untried coach when he took over Sydney. There have been more misses than hits in that time but that isn’t the point. I’d much rather take a risk and maybe find the next coach of the year than take no risk and continue as we are.

MM represents no risk. No risk that we will win a flag.

We finished 5th this year and only missed the top 4 on %. Yes we were knocked out in the first week of the finals but I would argue that this year was pretty successful from a coaching standpoint. IMO MM did a pretty good job getting us to where we were with a list that many consider (myself included) to be average at best.

Now I know that a lot of the reasons for the average list fall at MM's feet but with our current crop of young players and our recruiters seemingly having improved success at the draft, I think this is quickly improving.

Call me an optimist but I still think that MM is the best option for the Collingwood FC. I'd much rather give Mick another couple of years to build on the progress that has been made this year rather than bringing in a new coach to dismantle and completely rebuild the club when I still think we have an opportunity to acheive the ultimate success with our current list.

 

[PieLebo87]

We finished 5th this year and only missed the top 4 on %. Yes we were knocked out in the first week of the finals but I would argue that this year was pretty successful from a coaching standpoint. IMO MM did a pretty good job getting us to where we were with a list that many consider (myself included) to be average at best.

I dont know about you, but I was disappointed with 5th. After the first half of the year, we showed ourselves to be, easily, a top 4 side, I would've thought that we should've gotten ourselves 3rd spot behind WCE and the Crows, I dont think Freo or Syd had a better year then us.

As for the list. I dont know who you mean by 'us' but I didnt put money on Collingwood to win the Premiership and I didnt tip them to make the top 4 at the start of the year with an 'ordinary' list. I had studied this list, and our top 22 were FAR from ordinary.

As last year was due to injuries, otherwise all our arguments last year were just excuses, that makes this year a slight failed attempted at the Premiership, not just an 'improvement from 15th'.

 

[HorseHead]

Disagree.

It's nice to have your own, providing they are the real deal.

I don't disagree with you, but I was referring to the idea that we look for a new coach based solely/mostly on the fact that he's an ex-Collingwood player. As Hadders suggested, that shouldn't enter into the equation. The best candidate available should be looked at for his credentials, rather than hiring somebody based on whether or not they're a Collingwood man.

In other words, I'm not against hiring an ex-Collingwood player per se, providing he's the right man for the job.

 

[Hadders]

I dont know about you, but I was disappointed with 5th. After the first half of the year, we showed ourselves to be, easily, a top 4 side, I would've thought that we should've gotten ourselves 3rd spot behind WCE and the Crows, I dont think Freo or Syd had a better year then us.

As for the list. I dont know who you mean by 'us' but I didnt put money on Collingwood to win the Premiership and I didnt tip them to make the top 4 at the start of the year with an 'ordinary' list. I had studied this list, and our top 22 were FAR from ordinary.

As last year was due to injuries, otherwise all our arguments last year were just excuses, that makes this year a slight failed attempted at the Premiership, not just an 'improvement from 15th'.

So you consider finishing 5th a failure? You're a harsh judge.

Whether or not our previous two poor years were down to injuries, the fact remains that jumping 10 spots in a single year is a damn good acheivement. And don't forget we only missed 4th by 7%(?).

And you'd have to admit that our list currently isn't in the top 4 in the league. IMO all the teams that finished above us have a better list and a couple that finished below. This says to me that MM had a pretty good year in the box.

 

[PieLebo87]

So you consider finishing 5th a failure? You're a harsh judge.

Whether or not our previous two poor years were down to injuries, the fact remains that jumping 10 spots in a single year is a damn good acheivement. And don't forget we only missed 4th by 7%(?).

And you'd have to admit that our list currently isn't in the top 4 in the league. IMO all the teams that finished above us have a better list and a couple that finished below. This says to me that MM had a pretty good year in the box.

I dont consider 5th a failure AT ALL. I consider it a failure that we didnt finish 3rd or 4th with our list, using the form that the fans saw in the opening 11-12 rounds. The way we played against WCE in WA and the way we played Adelaide in SA is what I use as precedent as what we were capable of, THATS why I consider it a failure that we didnt win the flag this year. Because we took the best to their limits in THEIR home turf. And we belted a few lower sides aswell.

 

[maggiedee]

what a joke! you guys are pathetic! The pies have shown glimpses of being the best side in the comp this year. I dont understand ppl who jump off the bandwagon that easily. we are rebuilding and 5th place is a good finish for our list.
Sunday's game was a stinker which doesnt mean we should cut half teh list and the coach. They will learn from that and improve for next year.

You are right,, I have faith in all the players,, no getting off the band wagon for me,, and to prove it,, I have painted my fingernails in black+white stripes,, people think I am riduculous,, but I see it as supporting the loss as what it is,, a loss,, and I am proud of them ,, even when they are having a bad day,, the bulldogs were the better team on the day ,, and we must give them credit where credit is due,, nothing our boys could do to stop the dogs,, they found the winning formula,,and that is what footy is all about,, finding the formula to win. As for malthouse,,You will not find a more loyal and dedicated man alive to fill his shoes ,,he is a proud man and if he thought for one moment that he was letting the club down ,, he wouldnt wait to be sacked ,, he would resign,,

 

[Dale Didak #134]

Seeing as we need a key defender how about Travis Gaspar for Tristen Walker???

 

[Murray]

Seeing as we need a key defender how about Travis Gaspar for Tristen Walker???

I don't think swapping a dud for dud will help much

 

[PieLebo87]

You are right,, I have faith in all the players,, no getting off the band wagon for me,, and to prove it,, I have painted my fingernails in black+white stripes,, people think I am riduculous,, but I see it as supporting the loss as what it is,, a loss,, and I am proud of them ,, even when they are having a bad day,, the bulldogs were the better team on the day ,, and we must give them credit where credit is due,, nothing our boys could do to stop the dogs,, they found the winning formula,,and that is what footy is all about,, finding the formula to win. As for malthouse,,You will not find a more loyal and dedicated man alive to fill his shoes ,,he is a proud man and if he thought for one moment that he was letting the club down ,, he wouldnt wait to be sacked ,, he would resign,,

There is no doubting Michael Malthouse as a man or a coach. And NO ONE is jumping off the bandwagon, those are ludicrous comments!
MarkT makes the most effective points on this board and they are simply opinions of his and it is for the benefits of this club. We all want Collingwood to win Premierships, so suggesting ways/solutions to achieving this doesnt make us/ME 'bandwagon supporter'.

I want to be able to cheer my Mighty Maggies as we celebrate a Premiership. And in my opinion, I think we need a new face around the club, a new head coach that will bring about a new style of game for the Collingwood FC.