Monfries

[Bombs Away]

Not convincing.

Monfries and Johns plus a second round pick, on the table for Adelaides first round 2007 pick.

Why dont you throw in Lloyd and the kitchen sink. Looking at adelaide and where there shortcomings are we could almost give them johns and our 3rd round for their 1st round. They need a goalkicker and a kpp, he has already done the apprenticeship so just needs moulding.

 

[djharps]

th most disappointing thing about his year.. is i feel he has gone backwards with his game

 

[Longy413]

I'm not so sure- he's a lazy forward when he should be keen, how does he become a non lazy midfielder ? Definitely a trade for the table.

He didn't start out lazy.
He doesn't train lazy.

In fact I'm not sure he's a lazy forward, a selfish one yes.

Not convincing.

Monfries and Johns plus a second round pick, on the table for Adelaides first round 2007 pick.

And you have a crack at Sheeds for his trading record.

That's horrible.

 

[kelvin_sheedy]

Not convincing.

Monfries and Johns plus a second round pick, on the table for Adelaides first round 2007 pick.

I'd take that in a heartbeat.

 

[stander]

He didn't start out lazy.
He doesn't train lazy.

In fact I'm not sure he's a lazy forward, a selfish one yes.



And you have a crack at Sheeds for his trading record.

That's horrible.

Enthusiasm

He's an employee paid to train well, and play well.

Lazy/ selfish, what is the difference ?

There are more cracks in Sheeedys record than a bodello.

Tempting.

 

[Panna Witchy Salitou]

Where's he heading? He seems disinterested and disallusioned.....

 

[mick4]

THere are alot of good players pick 40 +

Jesse Smith
Justin Sherman
Jaydn Attard
Simon Taylor
Chris Knights
Matthew Egan
Chris Bryan

Taylor, Egan and Bryan were mature age players out of the VFL, Smith would have gone top 3 if not F/S, Attard was delisted by Brisbane, Knights is a worse kick than JJ or Jobe and Sherman has been in and out of the side this season.

Monfries doesn't look to weigh anymore than 75kg and was very slight 70kg when coming to Essendon. He had a shoulder reco after his first season. A couple more pre seasons under his belt he could add something to the side in the midfield un like now where he is thrown around like a rag doll

Would have thought than he has done more than Tambling, Williams, Meesen, Russell, Egan, Thomson or Meyer has done at AFL level

 

[angus6]

Not convincing.

Monfries and Johns plus a second round pick, on the table for Adelaides first round 2007 pick.

your a joke! you obviously know nothing about football.

 

[stander]

your a joke! you obviously know nothing about football.

Let me guess; you're ( hint ! ) a fan of Angus.

 

[angus6]

Let me guess; you're ( hint ! ) a fan of Angus.

yeah but that has nothing to do with it. your suggesting trading angus and johns to upgrade a second round pick to a first round pick. so your saying trade johns and monfries and say pick 24 to get say pick 10.

like i said you know nothing about football.

 

[Longy413]

Enthusiasm

He's an employee paid to train well, and play well.

Of course, but within that different standards are set depending on a players development.

He does train well, but isn't playing well. He's a third year player that hit the scene hard and because of that we all have high expectations of him.

Many players suffer second year blues, is Angus suffering third year blues?

We've tried to give him jobs in the midfield this season, he hasn't been able to perform. Is that because in terms of his development he's only played a few quarters in that position?

He hasn't been afforded the time to develop in the midfield and he has too much class and skill to simply discard for anything we can take. He needs to play football against men in the midfield at VFL level. His development requires it.

You can't go from a forward pocket to a midfielder in one step. It took Winderlich 5 years to become a midfielder, it took McVeigh 6-7 years. Few come straight in and make an impact in that position unless they have sheer pace or strength.

Even Sherman who has a tonne of ability has struggled to maintain consistency playing in the midfield.


I also think there is a big difference between lazyness and selfishness. Angus works hard to run to position, but he runs to a position far to often that is to his advantage rather than the teams. Too often he runs into the space of another teammate. His game a couple of weeks ago, when he came into the side was fantastic in that regard. He ended up with 20 odd touches and a couple of goals on the back of running to the right position and not running wide to get the sideways kick.

As for your proposed trade deal, this is a weak draft. We'd get a second round pick for Monfries on his own. Adelaide have Perrie, McGregor, Hentchell, Stevens, Bock, Griffen, Maric, Gill, Turner and Welsh on their list. They wouldn't want Johns.

If we're going to trade Monfries back home we should be looking at a player like Maric, Chaplin or Douglas as part of the deal.

 

[stander]

yeah but that has nothing to do with it. your suggesting trading angus and johns to upgrade a second round pick to a first round pick. so your saying trade johns and monfries and say pick 24 to get say pick 10.

like i said you know nothing about football.

Well you're ( double hint ) dead right about the suggestion in the first instance.

Secondly - you're ( third hint ) being impertinent.

 

[stander]

If we're going to trade Monfries back home we should be looking at a player like Maric, Chaplin or Douglas as part of the deal.

You have convinced me even more- he needs another club to get the best out of him, and he doesn't fit into a position at Essendon, ahead of Messrs Watson, Winderlich, Mcveigh and dare I say, Houli. In the meantime, massage him to SA for a first round pick, and then our new coach and able assistants can go to work on a new player/midfielder, take your pick.

 

[ParisBoy.]

Monfries needs to be dropped for at least 2 games to even be considered for a senior game.

 

[eastaugh36]

Not convincing.

Monfries and Johns plus a second round pick, on the table for Adelaides first round 2007 pick.

Thank christ you're not in charge next year. He has a future and will be a big improver under a new coach with all respect to Sheeds.

 

[stander]

Thank christ you're not in charge next year. He has a future and will be a big improver under a new coach with all respect to Sheeds.

Have another Southwark, its doing great things for you.

 

[eastaugh36]

Have another Southwark, its doing great things for you.

Typical childish response. Says it all.
Seriously, "Monfries and Johns plus a second round pick, on the table for Adelaides first round 2007 pick" - you have lost all credibility, not that you had much to begin with.

 

[stander]

Typical childish response. Says it all.
Seriously, "Monfries and Johns plus a second round pick, on the table for Adelaides first round 2007 pick" - you have lost all credibility, not that you had much to begin with.

You've done well to disengage yourself from Sheedy- try a bit harder with Monfries. Is it Westend then ?

 

[eastaugh36]

You've done well to disengage yourself from Sheedy- try a bit harder with Monfries. Is it Westend then ?

Are you sure you arent Macpie in disguise??? Why would I disengage from Sheeds? He is a legend of our club.
As for west end, why would I touch that crap?

 

[stander]

Are you sure you arent Macpie in disguise??? Why would I disengage from Sheeds? He is a legend of our club.
As for west end, why would I touch that crap?

Your touching something thats for sure. Or is it the touch of limestone in your water affecting your logic.

 

[eastaugh36]

Your touching something thats for sure. Or is it the touch of limestone in your water affecting your logic.

What doesn't seem logical in what I have said?

 

[stander]

What doesn't seem logical in what I have said?

You said he has a future at Essendon. On what basis does he get a game ahead of those I have mentioned, in the foreseeable future. His value has diminished to a lowly second round pick, especially with the reticence of most clubs to give up a first round pick. Johns has little trade value, therefore, Monfries and a second round pick, may, and I reiterate, may just land Adelaides first rounder. Johns is the miserable whitebait.

Get it ?

 

[eastaugh36]

You said he has a future at Essendon. On what basis does he get a game ahead of those I have mentioned, in the foreseeable future. His value has diminished to a lowly second round pick, especially with the reticence of most clubs to give up a first round pick. Johns has little trade value, therefore, Monfries and a second round pick, may, and I reiterate, may just land Adelaides first rounder. Johns is the miserable whitebait.

Get it ?

Basically you are willing to give up Monfries and Johns for the chance to move up from 21st selection (our likely round 2 selection) to 9th or 10th selection (the crows likely round 1 selection) - in a very weak draft year? No way. Monfries is only 20 and I reckon under a new coach he will break out. Some players just take longer for it to click. As for Johns I don't have as much hope for him but there is some potential as little as it might be.

 

[stander]

Basically you are willing to give up Monfries and Johns for the chance to move up from 21st selection (our likely round 2 selection) to 9th or 10th selection (the crows likely round 1 selection) - in a very weak draft year? No way. Monfries is only 20 and I reckon under a new coach he will break out. Some players just take longer for it to click. As for Johns I don't have as much hope for him but there is some potential as little as it might be.

By my calculation, that would stitch up two picks in the first 10.

Monfries is home again, and you have Angus closer to your little heart.

And stop referring to it as a weak draft. Its the only one available around November 2007.

 

[eastaugh36]

By my calculation, that would stitch up two picks in the first 10.

Monfries is home again, and you have Angus closer to your little heart.

And stop referring to it as a weak draft. Its the only one available around November 2007.

Yes it would but in reality you are only moving up from 21st to 9th or 10th, I would want to be 99% certain that Angus is a lost cause before committing to that and we aren't at that stage with him yet. Top 10 doesn't automatically assure quality. Mark Bolton anyone.