Monkeys domesticating wolves. We're screwed.

[Chief]

https://www.newscientist.com/articl...lliance-with-wolves-looks-like-domestication/

In the alpine grasslands of eastern Africa, Ethiopian wolves and gelada monkeys are giving peace a chance. The geladas – a type of baboon – tolerate wolves wandering right through the middle of their herds, while the wolves ignore potential meals of baby geladas in favour of rodents, which they can catch more easily when the monkeys are present.

 

[Gralin]

I for one welcome our new Monkey overlords

 

[Thegibbsgamble]

In a cattle station in the territory a farmer couple reintroduced the wolf pack to the landscape after talking to indigenous elders

Previously water holes suffered in drought and feral cats foxes and wild dogs and rabbits contributed to the environmental destruction

The cows also ate everything they could find
making things worse again

Add the wolf pack and everything changed. The cows would go get a drink and move on. The feral animals hunted by the wolf pack.

So the water holes did not not dry out as much and the vegetation around the water hole grew back and native animals hunted by the ferals returned. Not only did it make money for the farmer and produced healthier cows but the enviorement also won.

Also.the wolf has spiritual significance in indigenous religon and these farmers went along way to respecting the oldest culture

The Australian grey wolf that you guys know as the dingo is the purest of all wolves under current dna technology

You should look up Yellowstone national park and the same thing when they reintroduced wolves

 

[nadsee]

In a cattle station in the territory a farmer couple reintroduced the wolf pack to the landscape after talking to indigenous elders

Previously water holes suffered in drought and feral cats foxes and wild dogs and rabbits contributed to the environmental destruction

The cows also ate everything they could find
making things worse again

Add the wolf pack and everything changed. The cows would go get a drink and move on. The feral animals hunted by the wolf pack.

So the water holes did not not dry out as much and the vegetation around the water hole grew back and native animals hunted by the ferals returned. Not only did it make money for the farmer and produced healthier cows but the enviorement also won.

Also.the wolf has spiritual significance in indigenous religon and these farmers went along way to respecting the oldest culture

The Australian grey wolf that you guys know as the dingo is the purest of all wolves under current dna technology

You should look up Yellowstone national park and the same thing when they reintroduced wolves

The Australian Dingo is not a wolf> Canis lupus dingo> It is a feral dog.

 

[Thegibbsgamble]

The Australian Dingo is not a wolf> Canis lupus dingo> It is a feral dog.

This is a science forum. The view you have posted is regarded as racially motivated. It has no credibility scientificaly.

There is a clear social structure to a dingo family and a clear role as an apex predator in this enviorement

 

[Gralin]

This is a science forum. The view you have posted is regarded as racially motivated. It has no credibility scientificaly.

There is a clear social structure to a dingo family and a clear role as an apex predator in this enviorement

doesn't make it a wolf in the traditional sense though does it, different breed

 

[Thegibbsgamble]

doesn't make it a wolf in the traditional sense though does it, different breed

Same animal as the grey wolf. Around 4 to 18000 years ago there was a very slight change in dna.

We humans are predictable and have instincts and knowledge shared through dna. As does the wolf. The dog is different but not the dingo. Dingos can be raised in captivity for generations then let wild and go back to doing what wolves do. A regulator as all apex predator are


Indigenous records take the animal even further back. This wolf is prevalent in creation stories and dna puts the indigenous back some 400 thousand years. Fossil records here go back 180 thousand concerning farming practises and the culture is capped at a minimum 80 thousand years from digs in lake mungo where burial rituals never changed

As with these African wolves it understands it's role in the eco system and how other species can help thier survival.

The theory from scientists who still follow the out of Africa theory summise that the Australian grey wolf came here about 4 thousand years ago with asain traders. However that is designed to suit the out of Africa theory which has since been recanted by its authors. Accepting that possibly there was a migration from here you can then hypothesises the asain grey wolf also migrated from here

What is known is that grey wolves were never domesticated like they were here. This makes it tricky. Again indigenous culture had an equilibrium with animals no culture had a record like. Look up the hunting with orcas in Eden. They would light fires on the beach directing the orcas where to herd the other wales.

Orcas would take the livers and tongue and leave the rest for the humans they hunted with. Orcas came so familiar with humans that the first fisherman from Europe found they were saved by them and even directed search party's to where dead fishermans bodys were

Science is slowly changing as these facts are being recognised

 

[Smeg Head]

The Australian Dingo is not a wolf> Canis lupus dingo> It is a feral dog.

Dingos are classified as a sub species of Canis lupus actually.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Great post

This is an example of "niche differentiation" known as "resource partitioning". Less rodents = more grasses, roots, seeds and fruits for the Gelada.

The impressive canine display of the Gelada would also resonate with Wolves

 

[Howard Littlejohn]

I for one welcome our new Monkey overlords

You'll never make a monkey out of me

 

[Gralin]

You'll never make a monkey out of me

The words of an outside pet not a house pet

 

[Mningasimisonda]

You'll never make a monkey out of me

 

[Present Not Past]

Monkeys are not domesticating the wolves.

 

[Seeds]

Chief faking headings to get clicks on his thread.

This is pretty sad chief.

 

[telsor]

In a cattle station in the territory a farmer couple reintroduced the wolf pack to the landscape after talking to indigenous elders

Previously water holes suffered in drought and feral cats foxes and wild dogs and rabbits contributed to the environmental destruction

The cows also ate everything they could find
making things worse again

Add the wolf pack and everything changed. The cows would go get a drink and move on. The feral animals hunted by the wolf pack.

So the water holes did not not dry out as much and the vegetation around the water hole grew back and native animals hunted by the ferals returned. Not only did it make money for the farmer and produced healthier cows but the enviorement also won.

Also.the wolf has spiritual significance in indigenous religon and these farmers went along way to respecting the oldest culture

The Australian grey wolf that you guys know as the dingo is the purest of all wolves under current dna technology

You should look up Yellowstone national park and the same thing when they reintroduced wolves

Yeah, wolves aren't Dingos. Dingos are domestic dogs that went wild, Wolves are...something else (I've seen some up close...there is no comparison for size, attitude and strength).

That said, the reintroduction of Wolves to Yellowstone ~24 years back has had significant effects, directly and indirectly, my favorite being that they've changes the course of rivers!

Short and nasty version...by hunting, they've forced their prey to adjust and be more careful, meaning they tend to graze in different areas (e.g. away from waterways where they can be found/caught more easily). This has let to an increase in vegetation in those areas (including more trees), which both increased the beaver population and cut down erosion, leading to changing the course of rivers.

They're also looking at reintroducing them to Scotland (which is where/how I encountered them up close), for similar initial reasons (to cut the native Elk/deer population 'naturally', in a way that hunting can't, or at least wont (hunters target the bigger, healthier, more impressive animals, in effect reversing evolution, while Wolves will target the weak).

 

[jatz14]

Yeah, wolves aren't Dingos. Dingos are domestic dogs that went wild, Wolves are...something else (I've seen some up close...there is no comparison for size, attitude and strength).

That said, the reintroduction of Wolves to Yellowstone ~24 years back has had significant effects, directly and indirectly, my favorite being that they've changes the course of rivers!

Short and nasty version...by hunting, they've forced their prey to adjust and be more careful, meaning they tend to graze in different areas (e.g. away from waterways where they can be found/caught more easily). This has let to an increase in vegetation in those areas (including more trees), which both increased the beaver population and cut down erosion, leading to changing the course of rivers.

They're also looking at reintroducing them to Scotland (which is where/how I encountered them up close), for similar initial reasons (to cut the native Elk/deer population 'naturally', in a way that hunting can't, or at least wont (hunters target the bigger, healthier, more impressive animals, in effect reversing evolution, while Wolves will target the weak).

From a Australian Museum review 2017.
In evaluating this hypothesis we reviewed available morphological, genetic, ecological and biological data for the Dingo, Domestic Dogs and Wolves. These data do not support the notation that the Dingo is a separate species but are consistent with Dingoes being a feral population of an ancient breed of the Domestic Dog (Canis familiaris) that was introduced to Australia by humans about 4,000 years ago. Nor is the use of the name Canis dingo supported under established zoological nomenclature protocols.

 

[Snake_Baker]

The Dingo may have even been introduced by Indians (dots, not feathers) who landed in Australia around that time and shared genetic material with the aboriginals.

 

[its free real estate]

This has already happened guys

 

[Lethality]

https://www.newscientist.com/articl...lliance-with-wolves-looks-like-domestication/

In the alpine grasslands of eastern Africa, Ethiopian wolves and gelada monkeys are giving peace a chance. The geladas – a type of baboon – tolerate wolves wandering right through the middle of their herds, while the wolves ignore potential meals of baby geladas in favour of rodents, which they can catch more easily when the monkeys are present.

It sounds more like a parasitic adaptation, than domestication. There are all kinds of species which develop intricate cooperation, when brushing up against other species. Some of it appears quite sinister, like the mafia hypothesis, which stipulates that certain animals cooperate under duress.

 

[jatz14]

 

[Werewolf]

Not quite the same, but our primate cousins are taking after us in other ways - who will the wolves side with now?

Why Are Chimpanzees and Gorillas Suddenly Going to War?

An interspecies primate war may be unfolding before our eyes.

www.discovermagazine.com

 

[maroon and blue]

Monkeys' cosy alliance with wolves looks like domestication

In the alpine grasslands of eastern Africa, Ethiopian wolves and gelada monkeys are giving peace a chance. The geladas – a type of baboon – tolerate wolves wandering right through the middle of their herds, while the wolves ignore potential meals of baby geladas in favour of rodents, which they can catch more easily when the monkeys are present.

That wolf looks suspiciously looks like a jackal.

 

[Chief]

It's just a way to spread the pox.