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[PurpleWizard]

Our first round picks in 2011,2012 and 2013.

2011

12 Sam Docherty Gippsland Power TAC Cup Brisbane Lions
13 Taylor Adams Geelong Falcons TAC Cup Greater Western Sydney
14 Devon Smith Geelong Falcons TAC Cup Greater Western Sydney
15 Brandon Ellis Calder Cannons TAC Cup Richmond
16 Tom Sheridan Calder Cannons TAC Cup Fremantle
17 Clay Smith Gippsland Power TAC Cup Western Bulldogs
18 Brad McKenzie Sturt SANFL North Melbourne
19 Elliot Kavanagh Western Jets TAC Cup Essendon
20 Hayden Crozier Eastern Ranges TAC Cup Fremantle
21 (F/S) Tom Mitchell Claremont WAFL Sydney
22 Josh Bootsma South Fremantle WAFL Carlton
23 Murray Newman Swan Districts WAFL West Coast
24 Henry Schade North Hobart Demons TSL Gold Coast
25 Sebastian Ross North Ballarat Rebels TAC Cup St Kilda
26 Todd Elton Dandenong Stingrays TAC Cup Richmond
27 Sam Kerridge Bendigo Pioneers TAC Cup Adelaide

This draft hurts a bit. There are guns all the way up to pick 15 then it drops off significantly. Hardly our fault. I would still choose Sheridan within this bunch.

2012

16 Jackson Thurlow Launceston TSL Geelong
17 Josh Simpson East Fremantle WAFL Fremantle
18 Brodie Grundy Sturt SANFL Collingwood Pick #18 traded from West Coast
19 Ben Kennedy Glenelg SANFL Collingwood
20 Tim Broomhead Port Adelaide Magpies SANFL Collingwood GWS uncontracted player compensation pick traded from Melbourne, via Adelaide -
21 Nathan Hrovat Northern Knights TAC Cup Western Bulldogs Pick #21 traded from Hawthorn
22 Dean Towers North Ballarat VFL Sydney
23 Marco Paparone East Fremantle WAFL Brisbane Lions Gold Coast uncontracted player compensation pick - Michael Rischitelli
24 Nathan Wright Dandenong Stingrays TAC Cup St Kilda Pick #24 traded from Greater Western Sydney
25 Spencer White Western Jets TAC Cup St Kilda Pick #25 traded from Gold Coast
26 Jack Viney Oakleigh Chargers TAC Cup Melbourne Father-Son Rule selection - son of Todd Viney
27 James Stewart Sandringham Dragons TAC Cup Greater Western Sydney Pick #27 traded from Hawthorn via Western Bulldogs
28 Tim O'Brien Glenelg SANFL Hawthorn Pick #28 traded from Greater Western Sydney via Port Adelaide
29 Tom Clurey Murray Bushrangers TAC Cup Port Adelaide

This bunch is just spuds. We didn't need a ruck in Grundy. Hrovat maybe would have been a better option than Simpson, but Simpson still shines strongly as the logical choice.

2013

15 Zak Jones Sydney Dandenong Stingrays TAC Cup
16 Darcy Lang Geelong Geelong Falcons TAC Cup
17 Michael Apeness Fremantle Eastern Ranges TAC Cup
18 Luke Dunstan St Kilda[g] Woodville-West Torrens SANFL
19 Blake Acres St Kilda[h] West Perth WAFL
20 Jack Leslie Gold Coast Gippsland Power TAC Cup
21 Jarman Impey Port Adelaide[j] Murray Bushrangers TAC Cup
22 Darcy Gardiner Brisbane Lions[k] Geelong Falcons TAC Cup
23 Matt Crouch Adelaide[l] North Ballarat Rebels TAC Cup
24 Billy Hartung Hawthorn[m] Dandenong Stingrays TAC Cup
25 Daniel McStay Brisbane Lions[n] Eastern Ranges TAC Cup
26 Zach Merrett Essendon[o] Sandringham Dragons TAC Cup
27 Sean Lemmens Gold Coast Port Adelaide SANFL
28 Lewis Taylor Brisbane Lions[p] Geelong Falcons TAC Cup
29 Rory Lobb Greater Western Sydney[q] Swan Districts WAFL
30 Trent Dumont North Melbourne Norwood SANFL

We needed a Key Forward and we picked up Apeness at 17. Nearly every player after Apeness is a gun midfielder which is hard to swallow. Imagine the meltdown by fans if we had went Dunstan, Crouch or Merret over a KPP!

Overall nothing to complain about here. Move along.

 

[Steinfreo]

Our first round picks in 2011,2012 and 2013.

2011

12 Sam Docherty Gippsland Power TAC Cup Brisbane Lions
13 Taylor Adams Geelong Falcons TAC Cup Greater Western Sydney
14 Devon Smith Geelong Falcons TAC Cup Greater Western Sydney
15 Brandon Ellis Calder Cannons TAC Cup Richmond
16 Tom Sheridan Calder Cannons TAC Cup Fremantle
17 Clay Smith Gippsland Power TAC Cup Western Bulldogs
18 Brad McKenzie Sturt SANFL North Melbourne
19 Elliot Kavanagh Western Jets TAC Cup Essendon
20 Hayden Crozier Eastern Ranges TAC Cup Fremantle
21 (F/S) Tom Mitchell Claremont WAFL Sydney
22 Josh Bootsma South Fremantle WAFL Carlton
23 Murray Newman Swan Districts WAFL West Coast
24 Henry Schade North Hobart Demons TSL Gold Coast
25 Sebastian Ross North Ballarat Rebels TAC Cup St Kilda
26 Todd Elton Dandenong Stingrays TAC Cup Richmond
27 Sam Kerridge Bendigo Pioneers TAC Cup Adelaide

This draft hurts a bit. There are guns all the way up to pick 15 then it drops off significantly. Hardly our fault. I would still choose Sheridan within this bunch.

2012

16 Jackson Thurlow Launceston TSL Geelong
17 Josh Simpson East Fremantle WAFL Fremantle
18 Brodie Grundy Sturt SANFL Collingwood Pick #18 traded from West Coast
19 Ben Kennedy Glenelg SANFL Collingwood
20 Tim Broomhead Port Adelaide Magpies SANFL Collingwood GWS uncontracted player compensation pick traded from Melbourne, via Adelaide -
21 Nathan Hrovat Northern Knights TAC Cup Western Bulldogs Pick #21 traded from Hawthorn
22 Dean Towers North Ballarat VFL Sydney
23 Marco Paparone East Fremantle WAFL Brisbane Lions Gold Coast uncontracted player compensation pick - Michael Rischitelli
24 Nathan Wright Dandenong Stingrays TAC Cup St Kilda Pick #24 traded from Greater Western Sydney
25 Spencer White Western Jets TAC Cup St Kilda Pick #25 traded from Gold Coast
26 Jack Viney Oakleigh Chargers TAC Cup Melbourne Father-Son Rule selection - son of Todd Viney
27 James Stewart Sandringham Dragons TAC Cup Greater Western Sydney Pick #27 traded from Hawthorn via Western Bulldogs
28 Tim O'Brien Glenelg SANFL Hawthorn Pick #28 traded from Greater Western Sydney via Port Adelaide
29 Tom Clurey Murray Bushrangers TAC Cup Port Adelaide

This bunch is just spuds. We didn't need a ruck in Grundy. Hrovat maybe would have been a better option than Simpson, but Simpson still shines strongly as the logical choice.

2013

15 Zak Jones Sydney Dandenong Stingrays TAC Cup
16 Darcy Lang Geelong Geelong Falcons TAC Cup
17 Michael Apeness Fremantle Eastern Ranges TAC Cup
18 Luke Dunstan St Kilda[g] Woodville-West Torrens SANFL
19 Blake Acres St Kilda[h] West Perth WAFL
20 Jack Leslie Gold Coast Gippsland Power TAC Cup
21 Jarman Impey Port Adelaide[j] Murray Bushrangers TAC Cup
22 Darcy Gardiner Brisbane Lions[k] Geelong Falcons TAC Cup
23 Matt Crouch Adelaide[l] North Ballarat Rebels TAC Cup
24 Billy Hartung Hawthorn[m] Dandenong Stingrays TAC Cup
25 Daniel McStay Brisbane Lions[n] Eastern Ranges TAC Cup
26 Zach Merrett Essendon[o] Sandringham Dragons TAC Cup
27 Sean Lemmens Gold Coast Port Adelaide SANFL
28 Lewis Taylor Brisbane Lions[p] Geelong Falcons TAC Cup
29 Rory Lobb Greater Western Sydney[q] Swan Districts WAFL
30 Trent Dumont North Melbourne Norwood SANFL

We needed a Key Forward and we picked up Apeness at 17. Nearly every player after Apeness is a gun midfielder which is hard to swallow. Imagine the meltdown by fans if we had went Dunstan, Crouch or Merret over a KPP!

Overall nothing to complain about here. Move along.

When its laid out nicely like that you realize just how many picks out side of the top 15ish are busts or at best meh.

 

[apparentlydead]

When its laid out nicely like that you realize just how many picks out side of the top 15ish are busts or at best meh.

All considered to be STRONG drafts too. Well, stronger than this upcoming one at least.

 

[sproketman]

Clancee.

Clancee Pearce was drafted in 2008.

 

[apparentlydead]

Clancee Pearce was drafted in 2008.

He was #48 in the rookie draft that year

de-listed and redrafted into the rookies in 2011 pick #75

And then upgraded to the senior list via #78 in 2012.

Quite a ride.

 

[sproketman]

He was #48 in the rookie draft that year

de-listed and redrafted into the rookies in 2011 pick #75

And then upgraded to the senior list via #78 in 2012.

Quite a ride.

Not really counted as being scouted by our recruiters though in 2011, is it?

For instance, Tanner Smith isn't a canny rookie selection, he is a questionable second round draft pick.

 

[apparentlydead]

Not really counted as being scouted by our recruiters though in 2011, is it?

Fair call. But all credit is due to Lyon for spotting his potential and getting the best out of a limited player.

Lyon IS part of the drafting/recruitment team, is he not?

For instance, Tanner Smith isn't a canny rookie selection, he is a questionable second round draft pick.

I'm no great fan, but wasn't he downgraded due to injury?

From all recent accounts he is getting back to showing something positive, so I'm not calling him a bust just yet.

 

[Andy Brennan]

Best available is sound policy, if the people making the assessment of who is best available get it right. The failure rate of Freo's recruiting in the top 30 suggests their assessment of 'best available' is off the mark.

Hopefully Weller, Apeness, Sheridan and Crozier go some way to proving that assertion wrong

 

[Andy Brennan]

How are we masterful at bottom end and rookies?

2010 onwards is post Phil Smart, and we have one elite player (Neale) and two completely failed drafts (2010 and 2012). That's not masterful.

We are still very much living off the recruitment of another era.

Neale, Sutcliffe, Spurr and A. Pearce are all best 22 material. Grey, Langdon, Smith, Hughes and Taberner are all showing potential. All taken past pick 35 or rookies.

 

[Andy Brennan]

When its laid out nicely like that you realize just how many picks out side of the top 15ish are busts or at best meh.

Literally no one behind Sheridan in 2011 has done anything noteworthy

 

[darkshines]

Our first round picks in 2011,2012 and 2013.

2011

12 Sam Docherty Gippsland Power TAC Cup Brisbane Lions
13 Taylor Adams Geelong Falcons TAC Cup Greater Western Sydney
14 Devon Smith Geelong Falcons TAC Cup Greater Western Sydney
15 Brandon Ellis Calder Cannons TAC Cup Richmond
16 Tom Sheridan Calder Cannons TAC Cup Fremantle
17 Clay Smith Gippsland Power TAC Cup Western Bulldogs
18 Brad McKenzie Sturt SANFL North Melbourne
19 Elliot Kavanagh Western Jets TAC Cup Essendon
20 Hayden Crozier Eastern Ranges TAC Cup Fremantle
21 (F/S) Tom Mitchell Claremont WAFL Sydney
22 Josh Bootsma South Fremantle WAFL Carlton
23 Murray Newman Swan Districts WAFL West Coast
24 Henry Schade North Hobart Demons TSL Gold Coast
25 Sebastian Ross North Ballarat Rebels TAC Cup St Kilda
26 Todd Elton Dandenong Stingrays TAC Cup Richmond
27 Sam Kerridge Bendigo Pioneers TAC Cup Adelaide

This draft hurts a bit. There are guns all the way up to pick 15 then it drops off significantly. Hardly our fault. I would still choose Sheridan within this bunch.

2012

16 Jackson Thurlow Launceston TSL Geelong
17 Josh Simpson East Fremantle WAFL Fremantle
18 Brodie Grundy Sturt SANFL Collingwood Pick #18 traded from West Coast
19 Ben Kennedy Glenelg SANFL Collingwood
20 Tim Broomhead Port Adelaide Magpies SANFL Collingwood GWS uncontracted player compensation pick traded from Melbourne, via Adelaide -
21 Nathan Hrovat Northern Knights TAC Cup Western Bulldogs Pick #21 traded from Hawthorn
22 Dean Towers North Ballarat VFL Sydney
23 Marco Paparone East Fremantle WAFL Brisbane Lions Gold Coast uncontracted player compensation pick - Michael Rischitelli
24 Nathan Wright Dandenong Stingrays TAC Cup St Kilda Pick #24 traded from Greater Western Sydney
25 Spencer White Western Jets TAC Cup St Kilda Pick #25 traded from Gold Coast
26 Jack Viney Oakleigh Chargers TAC Cup Melbourne Father-Son Rule selection - son of Todd Viney
27 James Stewart Sandringham Dragons TAC Cup Greater Western Sydney Pick #27 traded from Hawthorn via Western Bulldogs
28 Tim O'Brien Glenelg SANFL Hawthorn Pick #28 traded from Greater Western Sydney via Port Adelaide
29 Tom Clurey Murray Bushrangers TAC Cup Port Adelaide

This bunch is just spuds. We didn't need a ruck in Grundy. Hrovat maybe would have been a better option than Simpson, but Simpson still shines strongly as the logical choice.

2013

15 Zak Jones Sydney Dandenong Stingrays TAC Cup
16 Darcy Lang Geelong Geelong Falcons TAC Cup
17 Michael Apeness Fremantle Eastern Ranges TAC Cup
18 Luke Dunstan St Kilda[g] Woodville-West Torrens SANFL
19 Blake Acres St Kilda[h] West Perth WAFL
20 Jack Leslie Gold Coast Gippsland Power TAC Cup
21 Jarman Impey Port Adelaide[j] Murray Bushrangers TAC Cup
22 Darcy Gardiner Brisbane Lions[k] Geelong Falcons TAC Cup
23 Matt Crouch Adelaide[l] North Ballarat Rebels TAC Cup
24 Billy Hartung Hawthorn[m] Dandenong Stingrays TAC Cup
25 Daniel McStay Brisbane Lions[n] Eastern Ranges TAC Cup
26 Zach Merrett Essendon[o] Sandringham Dragons TAC Cup
27 Sean Lemmens Gold Coast Port Adelaide SANFL
28 Lewis Taylor Brisbane Lions[p] Geelong Falcons TAC Cup
29 Rory Lobb Greater Western Sydney[q] Swan Districts WAFL
30 Trent Dumont North Melbourne Norwood SANFL

We needed a Key Forward and we picked up Apeness at 17. Nearly every player after Apeness is a gun midfielder which is hard to swallow. Imagine the meltdown by fans if we had went Dunstan, Crouch or Merret over a KPP!

Overall nothing to complain about here. Move along.

Agree with pretty much the lot, except surely you take McStay over Apeness with hindsight. Physically shorter, but he is a marking target and therefore a KF. Would be a 50 goal forward in a good team. Very talented.

 

[youmewe]

When its laid out nicely like that you realize just how many picks out side of the top 15ish are busts or at best meh.

Which kind of suggests that if you have a definite perceived need and your first pick is mid-high teens, then rather than select the best available with pick 15ish perhaps you should bundle that pick with a surplus player or two and move up the draft order as far as you can to gain access to the juicy plums at no. 5-10. Then select the best available to fill your urgent need.

 

[PurpleWizard]

Agree with pretty much the lot, except surely you take McStay over Apeness with hindsight. Physically shorter, but he is a marking target and therefore a KF. Would be a 50 goal forward in a good team. Very talented.

Yeah, I saw that after I posted it. Interestingly they both came from the Eastern Ranges. If my memory serves me right Vic Metro played Boyd as the key forward and Apeness as the second tall, not sure where McStay sat.

McStay has developed quite nicely and his numbers in a shit team are very impressive. I still think Apeness will be a solid pick for us, but maybe we fell into the trap of picking a mature body 18yr old over a raw skinny KPF prospect with upside.

Boyd vs Apeness vs McStay will be a interesting comparison in 3 years time. Hopefully Apeness turns into the marking beast he teased us with last pre-season.

 

[apparentlydead]

Which kind of suggests that if you have a definite perceived need and your first pick is mid-high teens, then rather than select the best available with pick 15ish perhaps you should bundle that pick with a surplus player or two and move up the draft order as far as you can to gain access to the juicy plums at no. 5-10. Then select the best available to fill your urgent need.

Interesting.

However, you would need to trade out somebody who has high value on the table to gain that upgrade. Someone who you have obviously invested heavily in already.

This, of course, for a speculative pick that may be a bust.

As a 'one off' strategy it has merit.

To make it an ongoing action would be fraught with danger.

I understand that you qualified with 'a perceived need', however there is always a perceived need somewhere on a list.

 

[couldhavebeen]

When its laid out nicely like that you realize just how many picks out side of the top 15ish are busts or at best meh.

Our fist pick in the current draft is 22 and then in the 30's for our second so what do you thank our chances of finding a super star there .
This is why I have said we should have been prepared to trade players for a better draft pick

 

[apparentlydead]

Our fist pick in the current draft is 22 and then in the 30's for our second so what do you thank our chances of finding a super star there .
This is why I have said we should have been prepared to trade players for a better draft pick

Why do we need a superstar?

Such an overused term anyway.

Anyway...Fyfe was what? #20ish?

A good, serviceable 100 gamer is more than adequate.

 

[youmewe]

Interesting.

However, you would need to trade out somebody who has high value on the table to gain that upgrade. Someone who you have obviously invested heavily in already.

This, of course, for a speculative pick that may be a bust.

As a 'one off' strategy it has merit.

To make it an ongoing action would be fraught with danger.

I understand that you qualified with 'a perceived need', however there is always a perceived need somewhere on a list.

Certainly not as a forever and ever strategy but if you genuinely believe you have a need for a particular type of player (let's be devils and suggest a quality KPP) and you have a surplus of other types of players (here a mid, there a mid, everywhere a bloody mid) then why not approach a club who has a top 10 pick and is most likely to use it on a midfielder and make a deal, especially if you can see the next few clubs in the draft order are likely to select a KPP.

It would be a win for both clubs. We get a highly rated KPP prospect, they get a decent midfielder who is ready to go now and still have a first round pick to choose another if they wish and the player we move on will be able to continue his career at AFL level rather than at Rushton Park.

 

[DudleyDocker]

Certainly not as a forever and ever strategy but if you genuinely believe you have a need for a particular type of player (let's be devils and suggest a quality KPP) and you have a surplus of other types of players (here a mid, there a mid, everywhere a bloody mid) then why not approach a club who has a top 10 pick and is most likely to use it on a midfielder and make a deal, especially if you can see the next few clubs in the draft order are likely to select a KPP.

It would be a win for both clubs. We get a highly rated KPP prospect, they get a decent midfielder who is ready to go now and still have a first round pick to choose another if they wish and the player we move on will be able to continue his career at AFL level rather than at Rushton Park.

I see the merit in this, but the mechanics are probably a bit difficult for us as we sit right now.

The players we could trade out (who have some currency) are really our best mids. The others are either of little value - think DeBoer, Suban, Mzungu - or have not been given the opportunity to prove themselves at AFL level - think Weller, Blakely, Gray, Langdon, Ballard.

Maybe another reason we should be trying to get as many games as feasible into the up and comers...

 

[Alfonz]

Even with hindsight, I think I would still pick Simpson and try to handle him differently. That draft is horrific. About 6 good players in the whole thing. No player picked after Simpson would even get a game for us, apart from maybe Grundy. And he wouldn't really improve us, nor was it a need at the time.

 

[apparentlydead]

Certainly not as a forever and ever strategy but if you genuinely believe you have a need for a particular type of player (let's be devils and suggest a quality KPP) and you have a surplus of other types of players (here a mid, there a mid, everywhere a bloody mid) then why not approach a club who has a top 10 pick and is most likely to use it on a midfielder and make a deal, especially if you can see the next few clubs in the draft order are likely to select a KPP.

It would be a win for both clubs. We get a highly rated KPP prospect, they get a decent midfielder who is ready to go now and still have a first round pick to choose another if they wish and the player we move on will be able to continue his career at AFL level rather than at Rushton Park.

Which is part of the strategy, if we believe the reports from the club, that we attempted with McCarthy, but the Demetriou franchise said no deal.

So it's not like we aren't trying.

 

[apparentlydead]

Even with hindsight, I think I would still pick Simpson and try to handle him differently. That draft is horrific. About 6 good players in the whole thing. No player picked after Simpson would even get a game for us, apart from maybe Grundy. And he wouldn't really improve us, nor was it a need at the time.

How differently?

 

[Lach72]

I see the merit in this, but the mechanics are probably a bit difficult for us as we sit right now.

The players we could trade out (who have some currency) are really our best mids. The others are either of little value - think DeBoer, Suban, Mzungu - or have not been given the opportunity to prove themselves at AFL level - think Weller, Blakely, Gray, Langdon, Ballard.

Maybe another reason we should be trying to get as many games as feasible into the up and comers...

It may have been possible with Weller, if St Kilda hadn't committed to Carlisle

 

[Lach72]

How differently?

Put on rookie list maybe...and work to get him to the required level.

It's hard to say without knowing how far his melt went.

If he, instance told Ross to **** himself sideways after getting dropped, who knows if there's any way back from there?

 

[apparentlydead]

Put in rookie list maybe...and work to get him to the required level

Obviously, I don't want to re-start the whole thing, but he was never going to accept a rookie list spot.

Mentally he was gone well before that was mooted as a possibility.

If I have any criticism of the club, and this is Dr. Hindsight stuff, the club should have been more proactive in isolating him from the douchebag idiots who leeched the life out of him when he was here.

The club was in a very difficult situation and did the best that they could imo.

It is probably ok to say it now...but at the time there was incident in Perth where a guy was chased by the coppers, crashed his car and it caught fire and he fled the scene...leaving his baby behind inside.

Lets just say that this was a pivotal moment.

 

[rodney hoo]

Obviously, I don't want to re-start the whole thing, but he was never going to accept a rookie list spot.

Mentally he was gone well before that was mooted as a possibility.

If I have any criticism of the club, and this is Dr. Hindsight stuff, the club should have been more proactive in isolating him from the douchebag idiots who leeched the life out of him when he was here.

The club was in a very difficult situation and did the best that they could imo.

It is probably ok to say it now...but at the time there was incident in Perth where a guy was chased by the coppers, crashed his car and it caught fire and he fled the scene...leaving his baby behind inside.

Lets just say that this was a pivotal moment.

I think some of the douchbag idiots as you call them were family, I beleive the club did try hard though. Such a waste of talent, though we all find our station in life.