Society/Culture Morrison Makes It Official, Whatever The Cost, We Will Not Surrender To China's Threats

[Carringbush2010]

a simple “australia is well aware of its obligations under international law - whilst this doctored photo is inflammatory, inaccurate and abhorrent - it still remains that we are committed to investigating these incidents and if needed, bringing perpetrators to justice.

we invite all countries to accept and bear responsibilities for their mistakes.”

*mic drop

In a roundabout way he has alluded to what you've wanted him to say here.

As far as the few sas goes, he's condemned those actions. I'm not sure what people want him to do, some want to throw him under a bus for not throwing the whole ADF under a bus but then there's those that would be critical if he said nothing and run with his tail between his legs. Lose lose situation.

 

[parsons nose]

Lets be honest here. It’s one thing for a state official to take issue with the actions of another state. It’s an entirely different kettle of fish when it is expressed in a public forum. We find ourselves where we are today not because two countries disagree with each other (because this happens regularly even amongst close allies) but because both side have chosen to posture in the public domain. Let’s hope that the official channels of communication behind closed doors afford scope for some reconciliation. It is of benefit to neither party to continue on the current trajectory.

 

[Kanga Commando]

It's pretty clear that the CCP is engaging in modern warfare against Australia and will continue to do so if it does not act like an obedient vassal state.

- Propaganda (and buying off politicians)
- Cyber-warfare
- Blockade of trade
- Advisory against travel to Australia (and related capital flight)
- Coercion of Chinese people in Australia

The CCP does not respect international laws or norms. It does what it wants.

Australia clearly needs to strategically realign its exports to other destinations. The CCP will use trade embargo as an act of war. Planning should be based on no exports/imports between Australia and China.

The Aussie government also needs to pick its battles. It shouldn't be poking its nose into Hong Kong - it's domestic and at most an issue for the UK.

I agree with what you are saying, but China's path of escalation makes me think there is more to their agenda. They are looking to escalate because it allows them to venture down a path to formally control the South China Sea, Taiwan and Hong Kong.

They have only today warned they will fire on Australian ships if we venture into the South China Sea. This isn't about trade or little men posturing. There is a bigger picture being painted here.

 

[RegHickeyStand]

Morrison has singlehandedly put us in the cross hairs of the second most powerful country in the world. A country that is thin skinned, building up its military, and in our backyard. No-one can thinks that good for Oz.

Demand an apology?! FMD, China has no intention. Its wants to highlight the issue to embarrass Australia, as Morrison tried to do to China when he kept publicly calling for an international investgation into coronavirus.

 

[utility]

I agree with what you are saying, but China's path of escalation makes me think there is more to their agenda. They are looking to escalate because it allows them to venture down a path to formally control the South China Sea, Taiwan and Hong Kong.

They have only today warned they will fire on Australian ships if we venture into the South China Sea. This isn't about trade or little men posturing. There is a bigger picture being painted here.

The CCP have built an operational military base in the Spratly Islands, effectively taken over Hong Kong (before 50 years), and it's only a matter of time before they take Taiwan by force (if necessary).

The CCP will actively crush Australia if it does not fall into line and is doing so mainly through economic coercion (and will continue to do so). That includes domestic policies favourable to CCP interests. The Australian government is led by f-wits. Parliamentarians by and large are complete and utter morons.

On an aside note, whoever decided to go public with the ADF-Afghan claims in the way they did ought to be fired. It takes a complete idiot not to realise the geopolitical consequences of such announcements, and unless you're willing to throw ADF members under the bus and completely demoralise the armed forces then it's rank amateur hour.

If they did so because of fear of media leaks then God help us if there's actually an active need to have a fully functional armed forces.

 

[Seeds]

Morrison has singlehandedly put us in the cross hairs of the second most powerful country in the world. A country that is thin skinned, building up its military, and in our backyard. No-one can thinks that good for Oz.

Demand an apology?! FMD, China has no intention. Its wants to highlight the issue to embarrass Australia, as Morrison tried to do to China when he kept publicly calling for an international investgation into coronavirus.

Letting China do whatever it wants is no good for oz. There is still time to right the China ship. But to give in to it whilst Xi is in charge is to doom western civilization. It's that serious.

 

[Belnakor]

Morrison has singlehandedly put us in the cross hairs of the second most powerful country in the world. A country that is thin skinned, building up its military, and in our backyard. No-one can thinks that good for Oz.

Demand an apology?! FMD, China has no intention. Its wants to highlight the issue to embarrass Australia, as Morrison tried to do to China when he kept publicly calling for an international investgation into coronavirus.

morrison wasn't trying to embarrass China. he was advocating for a rational position - there should be an investigation of a virus that has wrecked the world economy. China just don't want to do it because their dictator wants to play "wolf warrior"

Maybe read some history books about how appeasement has typically worked out.

 

[Belnakor]

Letting China do whatever it wants is no good for oz. There is still time to right the China ship. But to give in to it whilst Xi is in charge is to doom western civilization. It's that serious.

people are seriously advocating us just kowtowing to china because they might damage our trade.

The only way to deal with China is from a position of strength.

 

[Carringbush2010]

I agree with what you are saying, but China's path of escalation makes me think there is more to their agenda. They are looking to escalate because it allows them to venture down a path to formally control the South China Sea, Taiwan and Hong Kong.

They have only today warned they will fire on Australian ships if we venture into the South China Sea. This isn't about trade or little men posturing. There is a bigger picture being painted here.

The CCP have built an operational military base in the Spratly Islands, effectively taken over Hong Kong (before 50 years), and it's only a matter of time before they take Taiwan by force (if necessary).

The CCP will actively crush Australia if it does not fall into line and is doing so mainly through economic coercion (and will continue to do so). That includes domestic policies favourable to CCP interests. The Australian government is led by f-wits. Parliamentarians by and large are complete and utter morons.

On an aside note, whoever decided to go public with the ADF-Afghan claims in the way they did ought to be fired. It takes a complete idiot not to realise the geopolitical consequences of such announcements, and unless you're willing to throw ADF members under the bus and completely demoralise the armed forces then it's rank amateur hour.

If they did so because of fear of media leaks then God help us if there's actually an active need to have a fully functional armed forces.

It would be very surprising if China were to take military action in the south China seas against the ADF, yes they've mentioned a 'warning' but I don't think China is that naive. The Five Eyes nations are watching this closely, not to mention the world. At best the Chinese look very hypocritical, defensive and deflective.

There's a reason they posted that tweet out of the blue, trying to escalate the strained relationship to deflect their own humanitarian deficiencies. They're p155ed off with Scomo asking for an independent investigation into the virus. All for the purposes of ensuring it doesn't happen again, yet predictably they threw their toys out of the cot and over reacted with questionable trade sanctions since and now this tweet with the intent to offend.

Yeah China is a big dawg, but they'd really land themselves in very hot water to take on a medium power that is the US's closest military ally. The allied collective would very quickly bring China to heel. They ain't taking on the world with any hope of defeating it and I doubt even China would be that naive.

 

[Rotayjay]

The China-Australia relationship was circling the drain long before the pandemic. It's just another episode in the saga.

Frankly if the Chinese Communist Party wants to play hard ball, if it comes to the extreme I would like to see the entire world shut them out of international trade. Boycott the campaigners and see how the CCP likes that. Get our smartphones and clothes from other countries. The Chinese people are good - they are simply brainwashed and under the thumb of a real-life Oceania.

 

[Rotayjay]

When the democratic countries tried the appeasement strategy on Adolf Hitler, how did that turn out?

Bullies do not respect push-overs. We must stand.

 

[Gavin Excell]

Do Chinese Australians fear the CCP?

 

[Rotayjay]

Do Chinese Australians fear the CCP?

Probably depends on the strength of their ties to China. I'm sure there are many who are glad to be rid of the CCP by living here, many who are genuinely fearful their families in China will be harmed if they speak out from Australia, and many who are enthusiastic supporters of the Party. I'd love to see a survey of Chinese-Australians on this issue but (for obvious reasons) you'll never get straight answers.

 

[kranky al]

The CCP have built an operational military base in the Spratly Islands, effectively taken over Hong Kong (before 50 years), and it's only a matter of time before they take Taiwan by force (if necessary).

The CCP will actively crush Australia if it does not fall into line and is doing so mainly through economic coercion (and will continue to do so). That includes domestic policies favourable to CCP interests. The Australian government is led by f-wits. Parliamentarians by and large are complete and utter morons.

On an aside note, whoever decided to go public with the ADF-Afghan claims in the way they did ought to be fired. It takes a complete idiot not to realise the geopolitical consequences of such announcements, and unless you're willing to throw ADF members under the bus and completely demoralise the armed forces then it's rank amateur hour.

If they did so because of fear of media leaks then God help us if there's actually an active need to have a fully functional armed forces.

we can have a fully functional armed forces that dont cross a line thats not meant to be crossed.

theres black, theres white and theres the grey area inbetween.

if the reports are true some soldiers went well past the grey area ....

 

[QuietB]

people are seriously advocating us just kowtowing to china because they might damage our trade.

The only way to deal with China is from a position of strength.

And what is Australia’s “strength” in all of this?

 

[LeverPuller]

And what is Australia’s “strength” in all of this?

We’re undertaking the largest peacetime rearmament program in our history.

We’re courting major international defence suppliers to build equipment here in Aus. Heck, we rolled off the first domestically-built jet aircraft (yes it’s a drone) last year.

We are actively taking measures to secure critical supplies such as fuel stocks.

We are cultivating alliances and ties with other countries to achieve containment.

We’re trying to do everything we can to do so. Whether it’s enough is another question but we are trying.

But unfortunately, for the first time since 1945, it looks like we have a genuine menace to the north, and until Xi dies I can’t see it getting better.

What is interesting more than anything is beyond tiny skirmishes the PLA haven’t fought an active engagement since the 1970s, and the last Chinese naval engagement was in the early 1900s. Don’t know how they overcome that against relatively battle-hardened Western militaries.

 

[Freo Big Fella]

And what is Australia’s “strength” in all of this?

The local farmers and businesses carrying the can for Morrison's chance to play he-man are going to need quite a bit of it to get through the next eighteen months.

There was no reason for us to go ahead of the pack in terms of calls for a global COVID inquiry and (other than decimating local exporters) the Government has achieved absolutely nothing by doing so.

 

[QuietB]

We’re undertaking the largest peacetime rearmament program in our history.

We’re courting major international defence suppliers to build equipment here in Aus. Heck, we rolled off the first domestically-built jet aircraft (yes it’s a drone) last year.

We are actively taking measures to secure critical supplies such as fuel stocks.

We are cultivating alliances and ties with other countries to achieve containment.

We’re trying to do everything we can to do so. Whether it’s enough is another question but we are trying.

But unfortunately, for the first time since 1945, it looks like we have a genuine menace to the north, and until Xi dies I can’t see it getting better.

What is interesting more than anything is beyond tiny skirmishes the PLA haven’t fought an active engagement since the 1970s, and the last Chinese naval engagement was in the early 1900s. Don’t know how they overcome that against relatively battle-hardened Western militaries.

That is all fine and good.

It still does not explain what Australia’s objectives are regarding all the megaphone diplomacy.

The things you have listed above are enough to piss China off.

 

[Seeds]

And what is Australia’s “strength” in all of this?

Our strength is various UN multilateral treaties which China has signed up to and benefits from. This is why globalisation can help the little guy. The UN of course has no police or military to uphold them. It requires the members to stand up when one of the members violates them. Will other countries who sign up to the rules actually stand up with us because china is clearly violating a number of them. Early signs that this might be starting to happen.

 

[Carringbush2010]

The China-Australia relationship was circling the drain long before the pandemic. It's just another episode in the saga.

Frankly if the Chinese Communist Party wants to play hard ball, if it comes to the extreme I would like to see the entire world shut them out of international trade. Boycott the campaigners and see how the CCP likes that. Get our smartphones and clothes from other countries. The Chinese people are good - they are simply brainwashed and under the thumb of a real-life Oceania.

It's been reported that the fed gov. has invested 1.5 billion in investigating alternative trading partners some time last year.

As for the rest of your post, I don't think it wise for the world to completely shut them out of international trade. What is likely to happen is that the allied collective (The Five eyes nations and their trading partners) will likely in some way shape or form bring the bully to heel.

Australia is not the only nation being bullied by China, a lot of our military and trading allies are subject to China's less than amicable treatment. They're making too many enemies under a false premise that they can treat other nations as they wish with no consequence.

This will not end well for the CCP if they continue on this path.

 

[HairyO]

The CCP have built an operational military base in the Spratly Islands, effectively taken over Hong Kong (before 50 years), and it's only a matter of time before they take Taiwan by force (if necessary).

The CCP will actively crush Australia if it does not fall into line and is doing so mainly through economic coercion (and will continue to do so). That includes domestic policies favourable to CCP interests. The Australian government is led by f-wits. Parliamentarians by and large are complete and utter morons.

On an aside note, whoever decided to go public with the ADF-Afghan claims in the way they did ought to be fired. It takes a complete idiot not to realise the geopolitical consequences of such announcements, and unless you're willing to throw ADF members under the bus and completely demoralise the armed forces then it's rank amateur hour.

If they did so because of fear of media leaks then God help us if there's actually an active need to have a fully functional armed forces.

China is a bully. There is no chance they take Taiwan by force.

Their long game will see them losing big time. But their arrogance doesnt allow them to see it.

 

[RegHickeyStand]

morrison wasn't trying to embarrass China. he was advocating for a rational position - there should be an investigation of a virus that has wrecked the world economy. China just don't want to do it because their dictator wants to play "wolf warrior"

Maybe read some history books about how appeasement has typically worked out.

So you are saying Trump was appeasing China? Never heard him call for an investigation like Morrison did.

 

[RegHickeyStand]

Our strength is various UN multilateral treaties which China has signed up to and benefits from. This is why globalisation can help the little guy. The UN of course has no police or military to uphold them. It requires the members to stand up when one of the members violates them. Will other countries who sign up to the rules actually stand up with us because china is clearly violating a number of them. Early signs that this might be starting to happen.

Bullshit. Other countries are jumping in and selling China goods that we were. America, for instance.

Last week, after Beijing had issued its draft decision to hit Australian barley with an 80 per cent tariff, it agreed to start buying barley and blueberries from the US as part of its obligations under phase one.

Scott Morrison said no when asked if he saw a link between the two actions. Behind the scenes, too, there are doubts about a connection, but views are less forthright.

"Does this decision [to impose tariffs on Australian barley] help China in terms of its commitment to the US? Yes,'' said one senior official.

"Would China be taking some delight in the idea that our pain is America's gain? I'm sure they are.''

Is Trump behind China's trade war with Australia?

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That is just the beginning.

 

[RegHickeyStand]

Do Chinese Australians fear the CCP?

Yes

 

[Seeds]

How so? And from whom?

The nuclear agreement between russia and usa has been abandoned. Both russia and china are building far more devastating nukes that can destroy an entire country in minutes. Usa probably is as well. Us and iran nuclear deal also abandoned. Far more nuclear weopons are now in the hands of small state non democratic actors where a dicator has far more power over the ability to release one. In a larger country there are much stronger chains of commands to prevent it. As long as the world consists of 200 nations its only a matter of when rather then if one of these weopans will be deployed as more and more small actors get there hands on them..