Roast Most disliked ex-Cat?

[Herne Hill Hammer]

If that's the case you take it to the club - either the Coach or President or CEO (or all three). If those representatives of the club can't or won't pull the players into the line let people know about it.

At the same time, Colbert, like all footballers, was being handsomely paid. No one holds a gun to their heads. It's called responsibility.

That is correct, so he left.

 

[Hinkley29]

That is correct, so he left.

One of the main issues for me is that Colbert never tried to explain why he was leaving. If he was really leaving because he felt he wasn't being supported as captain, and the club had leadership issues, then come out publicly and say so. Don't hide behind the "I just want to go to a successful club and win a premiership" BS that everyone trots out when they choose a new club.

If he had given the (supposed) real reasons why he was leaving then I could have understood and supported him. But instead he hid behind a lame excuse because he didn't want to ruffle feathers or air any dirty laundry. It is the soft option IMO.

Either tell the full story or deal with the backlash.

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

One of the main issues for me is that Colbert never tried to explain why he was leaving. If he was really leaving because he felt he wasn't being supported as captain, and the club had leadership issues, then come out publicly and say so. Don't hide behind the "I just want to go to a successful club and win a premiership" BS that everyone trots out when they choose a new club.

If he had given the (supposed) real reasons why he was leaving then I could have understood and supported him. But instead he hid behind a lame excuse because he didn't want to ruffle feathers or air any dirty laundry. It is the soft option IMO.

Either tell the full story or deal with the backlash.

Why would you hold him to a higher level of disclosure than, as you say, everyone else?

What would he have gained by taking a massive dump on the club when he left?

Maybe the club knew the reasons and kept it in house, they certainly did a good job after he left of cleaning the place up.

 

[Partridge]

Why would you hold him to a higher level of disclosure than, as you say, everyone else?

Because he was captain. Because he walked out on a club that showed a huge amount of faith in him.

What would he have gained by taking a massive dump on the club when he left?

It would allowed the facts to be known to everyone. If he was so pure and lilywhite as people make out, then his reputation would only have been enhanced and those parties at Geelong would have been exposed. Unless of course, there was no truth to it, and he was just chasing a premiership elsewhere and deserting what he thought was a sinking ship.

Maybe the club knew the reasons and kept it in house, they certainly did a good job after he left of cleaning the place up.

Yeah, except they 'cleaned the place up' 7 years later. By which time he'd already retired.

You can only judge by what the evidence is. The evidence for a group of senior players having him removed, or making him quit, is the typical footy club variety: gossip, hearsay and innuendo. Zero actual facts. The only facts we have is a captain who was retained with a severe knee injury, who then jumped at the first opportunity. Doesn't quite strike me as the most noble and selfless act.

To sum up re: Colbert - put up or shut up. If players knifed you name them. Or club officials. Otherwise, there's no reason to believe you.

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

Because he was captain. Because he walked out on a club that showed a huge amount of faith in him.



It would allowed the facts to be known to everyone. If he was so pure and lilywhite as people make out, then his reputation would only have been enhanced and those parties at Geelong would have been exposed. Unless of course, there was no truth to it, and he was just chasing a premiership elsewhere and deserting what he thought was a sinking ship.



Yeah, except they 'cleaned the place up' 7 years later. By which time he'd already retired.

You can only judge by what the evidence is. The evidence for a group of senior players having him removed, or making him quit, is the typical footy club variety: gossip, hearsay and innuendo. Zero actual facts. The only facts we have is a captain who was retained with a severe knee injury, who then jumped at the first opportunity. Doesn't quite strike me as the most noble and selfless act.

To sum up re: Colbert - put up or shut up. If players knifed you name them. Or club officials. Otherwise, there's no reason to believe you.

Bullshit. If he'd came out, the club would have closed ranks and the supporter base would have been calling Colbert all sorts of things, like now.

Damned if he did and damned if he didn't.

As for cleaning up 7 years later. Colbert left, the club got a new coach, Cook had just started there and Costa had, had a year or 2 in the President's post.

I wonder if there is any coincidence between the animosity towards him, him leaving and all the new appointments when he left and shortly beforehand.

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

Maybe if the umpires did their job, and offered more protection against taggers, and penalised someone like Ballantyne everytime he went over the line, instead of being in the WA supporters' pockets, then players like Scarlett wouldn't have to hit out at dogs like Ballantyne.

Hey...a conspiracy theorist.



What exactly did Ballantyne do here that was worthy of being penalised? Do you honestly think Scarlett's response was reasonable? It was an idiotic thing to do and it hurt no-one, except his own team. Scarlett lost the plot, which, of course, was exactly what Ballantyne wanted. You know what really hurts a player like that? Not letting him get a kick and not responding to any of his antagonism.

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

He's done Geelong no favors

It's not his job to do Geelong favours.

 

[Cataholic]

Hey...a conspiracy theorist.



What exactly did Ballantyne do here that was worthy of being penalised? Do you honestly think Scarlett's response was reasonable? It was an idiotic thing to do and it hurt no-one, except his own team. Scarlett lost the plot, which, of course, was exactly what Ballantyne wanted. You know what really hurts a player like that? Not letting him get a kick and not responding to any of his antagonism.

An answer with which I agree on a sensible, practical level, but........

Seeing a guy get a smack in the mouth on the footy field, when he'd get exactly the same response in your local pub for being such a smartarse, gave a lot of us a deep sense of satisfaction at a primal level

That it was Scarlett who handed it out somehow seemed fitting and, for a moment, life was good

Anyhow, back to sanitised footy. He shouldn't have done it, I agree.

 

[Partridge]

What exactly did Ballantyne do here that was worthy of being penalised? Do you honestly think Scarlett's response was reasonable? It was an idiotic thing to do and it hurt no-one, except his own team. Scarlett lost the plot, which, of course, was exactly what Ballantyne wanted. You know what really hurts a player like that? Not letting him get a kick and not responding to any of his antagonism.

Exactly. Which was proven pretty starkly the following year when they met we put Cameron Guthrie on Ballantyne, who didn't get sucked in, and kept Ballantyne to 8 disposals and 0 goals while we recorded a 41-point win.

 

[Partridge]

It's not his job to do Geelong favours.

Some players have an ability to irritate the opposition. We'd love it if we had one like him (or Crowley for that matter). We just moved one on in Taylor Hunt, I can recall the Richmond game in 2013 when his incessant niggling of Brett Deledio played a major part in Richmond losing the plot for 5 minutes allowing us to kick clear. No doubt every Richmond supporter would have hated Hunt. But he did his job perfectly that night.

 

[Partridge]

Bullshit. If he'd came out, the club would have closed ranks and the supporter base would have been calling Colbert all sorts of things, like now.

Would they? The first thing Cook did was do a financial cleanout and approach all the banks the club owed money too. That's not exactly closing ranks, for a football club it's amazingly transparent.

The truth is we don't know what they would have done.

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

Some players have an ability to irritate the opposition. We'd love it if we had one like him (or Crowley for that matter). We just moved one on in Taylor Hunt, I can recall the Richmond game in 2013 when his incessant niggling of Brett Deledio played a major part in Richmond losing the plot for 5 minutes allowing us to kick clear. No doubt every Richmond supporter would have hated Hunt. But he did his job perfectly that night.

I was referring to Liam Pickering with that comment. And the criticism of Pickering, as far as I'm concerned, would be one step away from criticising Ken Hinkley for 'doing Geelong no favours', now that he's coaching Port Adelaide. Pickering's job is to get the best outcome for his clients and he would not be fit for his role if he went out of his way to get his players to Geelong, instead of getting them the best contract, with their desired club. Furthermore, what would we think if another ex-player turned manager, like Scott Lucas, had several of his clients move to Essendon over the course of a couple of years? Not only would we wonder whether his priorities of whom he needed to be serving as a player manager were arse backwards, many of us would wonder if there might be some outright cheating going on.

 

[Teriyakicat]

Some players have an ability to irritate the opposition. We'd love it if we had one like him (or Crowley for that matter). We just moved one on in Taylor Hunt, I can recall the Richmond game in 2013 when his incessant niggling of Brett Deledio played a major part in Richmond losing the plot for 5 minutes allowing us to kick clear. No doubt every Richmond supporter would have hated Hunt. But he did his job perfectly that night.

Who was it in the second North game last year that got Harvey all riled up, and North were giving away frees left, right and centre? Was it Christensen? Harvey gave away two frees in a row- 2nd Q, I think.

 

[Vdubs]

Some players have an ability to irritate the opposition. We'd love it if we had one like him (or Crowley for that matter). We just moved one on in Taylor Hunt, I can recall the Richmond game in 2013 when his incessant niggling of Brett Deledio played a major part in Richmond losing the plot for 5 minutes allowing us to kick clear. No doubt every Richmond supporter would have hated Hunt. But he did his job perfectly that night.

Where did TH end up? No coincidence, I add.

 

[GTOA]

Hey...a conspiracy theorist.



What exactly did Ballantyne do here that was worthy of being penalised? Do you honestly think Scarlett's response was reasonable? It was an idiotic thing to do and it hurt no-one, except his own team. Scarlett lost the plot, which, of course, was exactly what Ballantyne wanted. You know what really hurts a player like that? Not letting him get a kick and not responding to any of his antagonism.

Getting in Scarlett's face.

I repeat, if the umpire paid a free the first time someone like Ballantyne tried this trick, then it wouldn't happen so much.

I'm surprised you claim to be a Geelong supporter. I think Scarlett should get a medal. It sounds like you have become a PC squib who can't handle the sight of a little blood. If shortass Ballantyne wants to be a smartass, he deserves everything he gets, and if you don't agree, then go and follow Fremantle.

 

[The Final Word]

Getting in Scarlett's face.

I repeat, if the umpire paid a free the first time someone like Ballantyne tried this trick, then it wouldn't happen so much.

I'm surprised you claim to be a Geelong supporter. I think Scarlett should get a medal. It sounds like you have become a PC squib who can't handle the sight of a little blood. If shortass Ballantyne wants to be a smartass, he deserves everything he gets, and if you don't agree, then go and follow Fremantle.

For giving away a goal and missing games with suspension?

He cost his own club at least 1 game and probably two because he lost his cool.

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

Getting in Scarlett's face.

I repeat, if the umpire paid a free the first time someone like Ballantyne tried this trick, then it wouldn't happen so much.

I'm surprised you claim to be a Geelong supporter. I think Scarlett should get a medal. It sounds like you have become a PC squib who can't handle the sight of a little blood. If shortass Ballantyne wants to be a smartass, he deserves everything he gets, and if you don't agree, then go and follow Fremantle.

Lol. Pot/kettle. You apparently think players should get a free kick if their opponent says something mean to them.

Oh, and you'd better tell Scarlett that he's also a 'PC squib' because he apparently thought it was just as stupid and as costly as I do.

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport...335201102?nk=fc54493c580ba91685223b53dbd85946

"I was a little bit frustrated, personally I wasn't having a great game, and Hayden was being a bit niggly towards some of our players," Scarlett told Channel 7's Saturday Night Footy last night.

"I guess I just went overboard and ultimately it probably cost us the game and it cost me a couple of weeks on the sidelines."

Scarlett and the Cats had conceded a goal when Ballantyne came up to give him a verbal spray, but he said he can't remember exactly what was said.


"I know he came up and got in my face," he said.

"I had just given up the goal and that led to a silly act, and that probably cost us the four points."

 

[Partridge]

For giving away a goal and missing games with suspension?

He cost his own club at least 1 game and probably two because he lost his cool.

It gets better than that.

We finished the season in 6th position with a 15-7 record, and a percentage of 117.13.
Collingwood finished in 4th position with a 16-6 record, and a percentage of 116.46.

That's how important idiotic acts like that can eventually become.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Am I missing something here. What is the relevance of Scarlett's actions to this thread? Does someone actually dislike him for hitting Ballantyne? Does the opposite for me. I like him more

 

[Art Vandelay_]

An answer with which I agree on a sensible, practical level, but........

Seeing a guy get a smack in the mouth on the footy field, when he'd get exactly the same response in your local pub for being such a smartarse, gave a lot of us a deep sense of satisfaction at a primal level

That it was Scarlett who handed it out somehow seemed fitting and, for a moment, life was good

Anyhow, back to sanitised footy. He shouldn't have done it, I agree.

That's pretty much how I felt. "You idiot, you let him suck you in" nek minnit "you ****ing legend, you just whacked Frodo"

I watch it now and think if he was going to give up a goal anyway. Wind up like Barry Hall and do it properly!

 

[Teriyakicat]

That's pretty much how I felt. "You idiot, you let him suck you in" nek minnit "you ******* legend, you just whacked Frodo"

I watch it now and think if he was going to give up a goal anyway. Wind up like Barry Hall and do it properly!

Yeah, what a waste of a suspension.

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

Yeah, what a waste of a suspension.

If he'd hit him harder, he would have got more weeks. That's how it works.

Players/supporters from other clubs were congratulating Scarlett because it was win/win for them: Ballantyne gets hit and a player from another club gets punished for it. I would have liked that scenario too. Unfortunately, it was a player from my club and his lack of discipline proved very costly to the team.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

If he'd hit him harder, he would have got more weeks. That's how it works.

Players/supporters from other clubs were congratulating Scarlett because it was win/win for them: Ballantyne gets hit and a player from another club gets punished for it. I would have liked that scenario too. Unfortunately, it was a player from my club and his lack of discipline proved very costly to the team.

Two quick questions. Relevance to this thread? and who the hell cares almost 3 years on?

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

Two quick questions. Relevance to this thread? and who the hell cares almost 3 years on?

I'd take the time to answer both if you hadn't put your own two cents in on the exact same incident two posts above mine...

You do seem to be quite ok with people discussing it here when their opinions are aligned to yours though. Surprise, surprise.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

I'd take the time to answer both if you hadn't put your own two cents in on the exact same incident two posts above mine...

You do seem to be quite ok with people discussing it here when their opinions are aligned to yours though. Surprise, surprise.

What is the relevance. I've looked through and can't find anyone who dislikes Scarlett because of this.

You and Partridge take everything so damn serious, lighten up.

Not everything has to be analysed to the nth degree. It's alright we can joke about hitting him harder. You do know that are often used in a joke right?

So again relevance? And who cares in Feb 15 if Scarlett cost us top 4 in 2012. Again relevance?

I should be manager of opposition business asking for relevance so many times