Opinion Most frustrating time as a Geelong supporter

[PhatBoy]

so regular grand finals, big finals wins (4 out of 5 prelim wins), watching attacking football and seeing the most exciting player of all time was worse then the past five years. You cant be serious.

And the other period we had the best youth coming through the league and were building to something big. we didnt know how big at the time but we could all see a bright future. unless ofcourse you think 2007-11 wasnt worth it?

You’ve made it pretty clear in other threads that not winning the comp is a failure. You’ve certainly made it very clear that making prelim finals is.

So I ask this. What sort of supporter goes from being disgusted by losing prelims, to being chuffed by winning one extra game and then getting routinely smashed over 4 grand finals, with the exception of two quarters in 89 and two quarters in 92?

Wow, that’s such a better outcome.

Ok, as a spectator it was great watching Ablett, Brownless, Couch, Bairstow, all these great attacking players.

Also pretty s**t watching every man and his dog rack up cricket scores at the other end because our defence wasn’t up to scratch.

 

[Seeds]

You’ve made it pretty clear in other threads that not winning the comp is a failure. You’ve certainly made it very clear that making prelim finals is.

So I ask this. What sort of supporter goes from being disgusted by losing prelims, to being chuffed by winning one extra game and then getting routinely smashed over 4 grand finals, with the exception of two quarters in 89 and two quarters in 92?

Wow, that’s such a better outcome.

Ok, as a spectator it was great watching Ablett, Brownless, Couch, Bairstow, all these great attacking players.

Also pretty s**t watching every man and his dog rack up cricket scores at the other end because our defence wasn’t up to scratch.

do you live in a discrete world where everything is either good or bad? better than something that is bad doesnt mean good as we live in a continous world. it just means better.

The challengers that the eighties-90s team faced were far far bigger then what the current side has been facing. the hawks 89, eagles of early nineties and blues of 95 are some of the strongest teams of the past forty years. We simply lucked out in who we came up against. Bulldogs of last year, tigers of this year are two of the weakest flag sides of the past forty years. they were massive missed opportunities.

Plus there is also the entertainment factor that has nothing to do with results.

plus we didnt trade away the future to create the 80s-90s side. this current side is largely manufactured for immediate success with a massive cost to pay in the future.

 

[PhatBoy]

do you live in a discrete world where everything is either good or bad? better than something that is bad doesnt mean good as we live in a continous world. it just means better.

The challengers that the eighties-90s team faced were far far bigger then what the current side has been facing. the hawks 89, eagles of early nineties and blues of 95 are some of the strongest teams of the past forty years. We simply lucked out in who we came up against. Bulldogs of last year, tigers of this year are two of the weakest flag sides of the past forty years. they were massive missed opportunities.

Plus there is also the entertainment factor that has nothing to do with results.

plus we didnt trade away the future to create the 80s-90s side. this current side is largely manufactured for immediate success with a massive cost to pay in the future.

Then why were we so ordinary from 96-06?

 

[candiehappy]

We simply lucked out in who we came up against

I wouldn't agree. We had an outstanding midfield, an awesome forward set up. Very weak backline.

 

[Landgraft]

plus we didnt trade away the future to create the 80s-90s side. this current side is largely manufactured for immediate success with a massive cost to pay in the future.

[Citation Needed]

 

[Vdubs]

do you live in a discrete world where everything is either good or bad? better than something that is bad doesnt mean good as we live in a continous world. it just means better.

The challengers that the eighties-90s team faced were far far bigger then what the current side has been facing. the hawks 89, eagles of early nineties and blues of 95 are some of the strongest teams of the past forty years. We simply lucked out in who we came up against. Bulldogs of last year, tigers of this year are two of the weakest flag sides of the past forty years. they were massive missed opportunities.

Plus there is also the entertainment factor that has nothing to do with results.

plus we didnt trade away the future to create the 80s-90s side. this current side is largely manufactured for immediate success with a massive cost to pay in the future.

All your points are contestable.
The 18 side comp poses more challenges than we had in the 80's-90's.
The equalisation drafting is a challenge.
The speed of the game and the overuse injuries are more rife- stress fractures, soft tissue injuries, way more than previous decades.
You can not possibly say the Tigers side of 17 is weak- their average winning margin in 3 finals was over 9 goals- that is impressive. We may detest the fact they've done it, but their pressure game hit a new level that will have teams scratching MC heads all summer.
Entertainment- the way Dogs played 16 finals and Tigers 17 finals was as entertaining as it gets from my pov. Just because we weren't in it does not detract from the excellence.
Trading away draft picks has not been our issue- the B & F results will attest to the fact that > 50% of our top 10 are from those trades.
The massive future cost you speak of- what is that? That we languish on the bottom for some years and build a list from scratch? Sounds uninviting does it not. Yet that is exactly what some are suggesting we should have already been doing. No Danger etc... I'd rather see us win 70% of our games and be entertained by the likes of Danger than to hope we somehow scoop the drafts and build the next era.
Besides, we are not constantly trading away. 2 years yes, but not so much now.

 

[Seeds]

All your points are contestable.
The 18 side comp poses more challenges than we had in the 80's-90's.
The equalisation drafting is a challenge.
The speed of the game and the overuse injuries are more rife- stress fractures, soft tissue injuries, way more than previous decades.
You can not possibly say the Tigers side of 17 is weak- their average winning margin in 3 finals was over 9 goals- that is impressive. We may detest the fact they've done it, but their pressure game hit a new level that will have teams scratching MC heads all summer.
Entertainment- the way Dogs played 16 finals and Tigers 17 finals was as entertaining as it gets from my pov. Just because we weren't in it does not detract from the excellence.
Trading away draft picks has not been our issue- the B & F results will attest to the fact that > 50% of our top 10 are from those trades.
The massive future cost you speak of- what is that? That we languish on the bottom for some years and build a list from scratch? Sounds uninviting does it not. Yet that is exactly what some are suggesting we should have already been doing. No Danger etc... I'd rather see us win 70% of our games and be entertained by the likes of Danger than to hope we somehow scoop the drafts and build the next era.
Besides, we are not constantly trading away. 2 years yes, but not so much now.

oh come on the tigers are the least talented premiership team ive seen in three decades. Half their starting 18 are very average footballers.

 

[Seeds]

[Citation Needed]

the citation was the loss of multiple first round and second round draft picks for these players.

 

[Seeds]

I wouldn't agree. We had an outstanding midfield, an awesome forward set up. Very weak backline.

the luck is to do with our opposition. nothing to do with us. did you even read the post?

 

[Seeds]

Then why were we so ordinary from 96-06?

cos our older players retired and we drafted poorly during the nineties. we didnt give away high draft picks to get those older players in the first place.

 

[Vdubs]

oh come on the tigers are the least talented premiership team ive seen in three decades. Half their starting 18 are very average footballers.

Disagree. Their capacity to take contested marks, keep their opposition to minimal scores, and themselves score over 100 in finals is not lacking talent. Hardwick said he always knew they were up to it- just had to ignite them. They do not lack talent. You and many of us have just not seen that much of them, and have not respected them enough. Sure enough they will be respected and hunted more next year, but to have an average winning margin over 3 finals of 55 points is awesome in any season.

 

[catempire]

If your answer to this is anything other than 2006 I don't even know you.


Edit: I will accept up to Round 5, 2007.

 

[Landgraft]

the citation was the loss of multiple first round and second round draft picks for these players.

That doesn't guarantee any sort of drop. Is there any actual proof to support your claim that ~4 draft picks will save the team? Norf held their picks and * all good it did them.

 

[Tandy]

Does anyone think the whole 2006 off-season line in the sand moment at the cattery is a little overrated considering we started 07 poorly.

 

[PhatBoy]

Does anyone think the whole 2006 off-season line in the sand moment at the cattery is a little overrated considering we started 07 poorly.

It’s not really regarded as such though. Round 5 2007 is regarded as that moment.

 

[candiehappy]

the luck is to do with our opposition. nothing to do with us. did you even read the post?

yes, and still don't agree.

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

I'll change my tune a little and say the off-season.

 

[Cronin]

I'll change my tune a little and say the off-season.

THIS.

Every off-season is frustrating whether we're good or bad.

F*** the off-season!

 

[Deep]

Still wish there were 34 rounds and no finals. We would win every damn year because we are the kings of H&A and always have been. And probably always will be.

 

[Scottland2007]

Most frustrating time as a Geelong supporter, whenever they role over your membership and help themselves to a chunk of money off your credit card.

 

[Nickoo]

Just a loose one the 1995 grand final. My interest in footy disappeared for about 5 years after that (not entirely footy related probably).

And well unfairly because Carlton were dodgy as **** with player payments in that period and ended up hit with a lettuce leaf. Glad the sport is a lot more professional now.

And the drugs they were on. Should have had it stripped from them or at the least be known as the dodgy premiership like west coasts '06 one.


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[Cronin]

Still wish there were 34 rounds and no finals. We would win every damn year because we are the kings of H&A and always have been. And probably always will be.

We'd still only get 9 games in Geelong.

 

[Deep]

We'd still only get 9 games in Geelong.

And still win.

 

[Nickoo]

but given it would of taken 1 million dollars to keep him we would of likely lost someone else. probably selwood who was also negotiating a big contract at the time.

True but not Selwood. It would have been SJ, Jimmy, Kelly, plus others or a raft of them. Or he just takes the 800k @ 5 years we offered him as Paddy did. But the AFL gave him a sign on bonus as well, not to forget.


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[Seeds]

True but not Selwood. It would have been SJ, Jimmy, Kelly, plus others or a raft of them. Or he just takes the 800k @ 5 years we offered him as Paddy did. But the AFL gave him a sign on bonus as well, not to forget.


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pretty sure the talk at the time was selwood. was offered a massive deal by another club. he was also out of contract at the same time. we could only keep one of them.