Most impressive young duo in the league....

[King Crow]

Its got to be Chicago's Tyson Chandler 7'2 PF, and 6'11 C Eddy Curry

The twin Toddlers, drafted out of high school in the 2001 draft (#2 and #4 respectively) once again proved why the Bulls have the most upside in the league

Both are 20 years old.

Vs Pheonix
Tyson Chandler 17 pts 12 rebounds
Eddy Curry 16 pts 9 rebounds

Eddy also had a 23/8 game against the Celtics last week.

And they are up against good competition too, unlike Kwame, who thinks hes a superstar after scoring 24 pts on such stars as Brian Skinner

Williams, Chandler and Curry... this team is a dynasty in the making.

 

[Fall Out Boy]

I think the most impressive young duo in the league happen to be these two:

The first is a 22 year old 7 footer who is capable of playing 3 positions.

In his rookie season he averaged 18 ppg on .518% FG, 9 rpg, 3 apg and 2 bpg.

The second is a 6'8" tweener who, in his rookie season, averaged 14ppg, 5rpg, 3apg, 1.55spg, 1 bpg.

Is there a better young combo in the league? Hell no

You could even throw in their new rookie teammate, who in his 5 pre-season games, averaged 19ppg and 12rpg.

There is not a young triple threat like this in the league.

 

[coxon]

Originally posted by phatandphreaky

There is not a young triple threat like this in the league.

i agree...

 

[thehardaway]

Originally posted by King Crow
Vs Pheonix
Tyson Chandler 17 pts 12 rebounds
Eddy Curry 16 pts 9 rebounds

Against competition? You had a 6 foot 5 guard get 12 rebounds today. Hardly great by my Suns. We are the worst rebounding team in the comp surely.

Young Stoudemire got 13 points and 8 rebs (also 6 fouls though ) in only 19 minutes

 

[King Crow]

Yes it was against competition..

Gugliotta, Tsakalidis, Stoudemire

Heck, the only big man missing was who? Scott Williams?

And dont underestimate Fred Hoiberg

As for the Grizzlies.

Battier, Gooden and Gasol dont have near as much upside as Chandler, Williams and Curry

Battier is 24 yrs old and wont get much better. Gooden has put it together in pre season, but theres no way he will ever come close to Chandler. 7'2 that is freakly athletic. Will one day play the 3.

Eddy Curry is the next dominating center in the NBA. Is very much like Shaq, huge frame, soft hands. His defence needs some fine tuning, but thats about it, when hes on.. his offence is unstoppable.

Plus we have an all american college player of the year point guard feeding the ball to our guys... hows Mike Bib... I mean white chocolate going?

 

[Fall Out Boy]

Originally posted by King Crow


Battier, Gooden and Gasol dont have near as much upside as Chandler, Williams and Curry

You have got to be kidding.

Pau Gasol has more upside then the entire Bulls franchise.

The kid, whilst being 22, has only played basketball for 4 years.

His rookie season numbers were as good as ANY forward of the past 10 years, all that from a kid who is still inexperienced and about 30 pounds short of having an NBA body.

Oh, and you talk about athleticism, Pau Gasol is 7 foot tall (and still growing) yet can play the 3, 4 and 5 effectively.

He can post up the likes of Shaq, but can also put the ball on the floor against the best PG's.

Going into his rookie season, every single expert predicted that Pau would struggle (because of his wirey frame and his lack of experience) early on, but improve significantly in his second and third seasons.

heck, if he improves significantly in this his second season, he will be the best forward in the game.

 

[thehardaway]

Originally posted by King Crow
Yes it was against competition..

Gugliotta, Tsakalidis, Stoudemire

Heck, the only big man missing was who? Scott Williams?

And dont underestimate Fred Hoiberg

Which is why I don't take their performance as being great at all.
Even the three players (who unfortunately enough are our better ones) played 17, 12 and 19 mins respectively. Chicago should have outrebounded us and smashed us. We'd get out rebounded by a kindergarten team some days I'm sure of it. It was a practice game which is meaningless.

As for the Grizzlies.

Battier, Gooden and Gasol dont have near as much upside as Chandler, Williams and Curry

Battier is 24 yrs old and wont get much better. Gooden has put it together in pre season, but theres no way he will ever come close to Chandler. 7'2 that is freakly athletic. Will one day play the 3.

Eddy Curry is the next dominating center in the NBA. Is very much like Shaq, huge frame, soft hands. His defence needs some fine tuning, but thats about it, when hes on.. his offence is unstoppable.

Plus we have an all american college player of the year point guard feeding the ball to our guys... hows Mike Bib... I mean white chocolate going?

So Gooden has a good pre season, yet won't put it together, but Curry and Chandler will? hmmmm
Bar Chandler playing 21 mins against the Celts, they have played 30 mins a game in the pre season for their output.

I'd take Gasol, Battier and Gooden anyday

 

[King Crow]

Bets forward in the game

More upside than the whole bulls franchise

I never said Gasol wasnt good... but you obviously have never seen Chandler play. The kid is a freak.. and with his athleticism will kill anyone in the game, when his offensive game matures. He is already one of the best shotblockers, and will strongly become one of the best defensive 4's in the NBA this year, while his jump shot and post moves can only improve.

Gasol has the upside to be a star.... Chandler has the upside to be a super-star.

Dont go by last years stats
- Gasol had more minutes
- Chandler was eased into the league, he is afterall a highschooler
- Gasol was more of a focus to the grizzlies than Chandler was to the Bulls
- Chandler obviously had less experience than Gasol (Playing in europe is tougher than High school BBALL), and got into foul trouble (A learning curve obviously, almost all H'schoolers go through it during their rookie seasons.. look at Stoudemire this year for example)

Mind you, in the last month of the regular season, Chandler had similar stats to other rookie h'schoolers in the same month (Kobe, Garnett and McGrady). He also showed what he has with performances such as 23/14 and 16/15 late in the season @ Detroit and New York respectivally. Not bad for a 19 yr old learning the ropes...

Watch for Chandler to explode in the next 2 seasons... he will be amazing.. I will guarentee you that

 

[King Crow]

Originally posted by thehardaway


Which is why I don't take their performance as being great at all.
Even the three players (who unfortunately enough are our better ones) played 17, 12 and 19 mins respectively. Chicago should have outrebounded us and smashed us. We'd get out rebounded by a kindergarten team some days I'm sure of it. It was a practice game which is meaningless.



So Gooden has a good pre season, yet won't put it together, but Curry and Chandler will? hmmmm
Bar Chandler playing 21 mins against the Celts, they have played 30 mins a game in the pre season for their output.

I'd take Gasol, Battier and Gooden anyday

Gooden hasnt played an NBA Regular season game yet.. so its hard to tell how will do when he plays against the guns.

And for their only meeting (Chandler vs Gooden).. im pretty sure Chandler completely shut down Gooden and beat him at the Rocky Mountains Revue

 

[Fall Out Boy]

I am 100% certain that you are the ONLY person on this earth who would take Tyson Chandler over Pau Gasol.

Chandler has talent, no doubt about that. But unlike Pau, he has yet to show that he is capable of anything more then a brief flash of brilliance.

Until he does something consistently he is just another wannabe

 

[King Crow]

Wannabe??

The only thing Gasol has on Chandler is he is a more mature bballer. Which counts for alot in the NBA. Chandler at the moment still struggles to get his positioning right.. but that will improve as he gets older, and plays for minutes this season.

As for upside and ability... Chandler has it all over anyone taken since the 97 draft...

If you read the heading of my thread... im basically talking about upside and promise.

 

[Fall Out Boy]

Originally posted by King Crow
Wannabe??

The only thing Gasol has on Chandler is he is a more mature bballer. Which counts for alot in the NBA. Chandler at the moment still struggles to get his positioning right.. but that will improve as he gets older, and plays for minutes this season.

Did you not read that Gasol has only played basketball competitively for four years?

Or the fact that he weighs 30 pounds less then the likes of Chandler?

Originally posted by King Crow


If you read the heading of my thread... im basically talking about upside and promise.

And?

Gasol is only two years older then Chandler, had never played any form of US ball AND has only played the game for 4 years.

Despite all that, he averaged 18 and 9 in 35 minutes, Chandler averaged 6 and 5 in 20 minutes.

Enough said.

 

[King Crow]

Playing 4 yrs of professional bball in one of the worlds top leagues puts you in a much better position than playing High School hoops.

Gasol played 36.7 mpg vs Chandler 19.6

And whats this crap about 30 pounds??

Chandler is listed at 235, and Gasol 227.

Chandler has put on some muscle in the pre season, but I am confident Gasol wouldve aswell

Like I said.. about High schooler averages...

Kobe 7.6 pts 1.9 rebs 1.3 assists
Garnett 10.4 pts 6.3 rebs 1.64 blocks (Almost 30 mins a game)
McGrady 7.0 pts 4.2 rebs
J.Oneal 4.0 pts 2.8 rebs (Low Mins)
Chandler 6.1 pts 4.8 rebs 1.31 blocks
and Curry 6.7 pts 3.8 rebs in only 16 mpg

 

[Fall Out Boy]

Originally posted by King Crow
Playing 4 yrs of professional bball in one of the worlds top leagues puts you in a much better position than playing High School hoops.

Who said Gasol played 4 years in the Spanish League?

I said he had played basketball competitively for 4 years, big difference.

Originally posted by King Crow

And whats this crap about 30 pounds??

Chandler is listed at 235, and Gasol 227.

Chandler has put on some muscle in the pre season, but I am confident Gasol wouldve aswell

The same source had Oliver Miller weighing 325, the same source listed Charles Barkley as being 6'8"

Take a look at Gasol's body, and compare that to Chandler (or any top forward), you will notice that Pau is significantly under developed.

He is a good 3-4 years away from being big and strong enough to compete in the NBA.

He arguably managed the best rookie forward numbers in 10 years on sheer talent, he has no concept of NBA basketball, no concept of banging down in the post.

Originally posted by King Crow

Like I said.. about High schooler averages...

Kobe 7.6 pts 1.9 rebs 1.3 assists
Garnett 10.4 pts 6.3 rebs 1.64 blocks (Almost 30 mins a game)
McGrady 7.0 pts 4.2 rebs
J.Oneal 4.0 pts 2.8 rebs (Low Mins)
Chandler 6.1 pts 4.8 rebs 1.31 blocks
and Curry 6.7 pts 3.8 rebs in only 16 mpg

Relevance?

The point is this, comparing Tyson Chandler to Pau Gasol (at this stage) is akin to comparing Mark Madsen to Chris Webber.

A fairer comparison would be between Chandler and Drew Gooden.
Even then you'll find that Gooden's numbers in the pre-season are far superior to those of Chandler.

 

[thehardaway]

Originally posted by King Crow
Like I said.. about High schooler averages...

Kobe 7.6 pts 1.9 rebs 1.3 assists
Garnett 10.4 pts 6.3 rebs 1.64 blocks (Almost 30 mins a game)
McGrady 7.0 pts 4.2 rebs
J.Oneal 4.0 pts 2.8 rebs (Low Mins)
Chandler 6.1 pts 4.8 rebs 1.31 blocks
and Curry 6.7 pts 3.8 rebs in only 16 mpg

I'm pleased then. By that basis, Stoudemire will be a phenomenon considering his 13 points and 8 rebs in 19 mins today

 

[King Crow]

Relevance... I am trying to prove that you shouldnt look at rookie stats, exspecially those of high schoolers.

I am trying to say that Chandler has more promise and upside than Gasol. And Chandler also has a very undeveloped body, but it helps his athleticism enormously. He is also almost unmatchable at the 4 being 7'2.

And Chandler is also expected to play the 3 during his career.

Can I ask u a question.. what do you honestly expect of Gasol this season?

When Gasol and Chandler are at their peaks.. which should be in 5-6 years, based on upside and ability.... Chandler should.. and will be ahead of Gasol

 

[jod23]

Williams, Curry and Chandler or Gasol, Battier and Gooden.

I would take the Bulls lineup but out of the 6 Gasol is the most talented right now. Curry and Chandler looked good in there first season and could be anything. Tough to guage Williams yet or Gooden.

The reason i would take the Bulls 3 is because Battier just doesnt impress me. Gooden looked great though in the pre season and Gasol's talent cannot be denied.

Were talking young duo's though...what about Eddie Griffin and Yao Ming. Or even Yao Ming and Stevie Franchise. Houston with those three, Kenny Thomas, Mo Taylor, Cuttino Mobley...there gonna be good this year.

Next year, whoever has someone reasonably young and get Lebron James will take the lead

 

[Fall Out Boy]

Originally posted by King Crow
Can I ask u a question.. what do you honestly expect of Gasol this season?

I'll preface this by saying that i am a mad Gasol and Grizz fan.

I expect at least a 20% improvement, across the board, from Pau in this his second season.

Not only has his understanding of the game improved, but his personal life is far more stable (found it hard to live away from his mum, and found the American food impossible)

When commenting on Pau, we must remember that despite getting 18ppg last year, he was NOT the first offensive option.
He did so well because he has extraordinary touch around the basket, his FG% of .518 is special for a kid playing the 3.

Given he will now get an extra 5-10 shot opportunties, i'd think he'd average between 22-26 points a game.

With his added strength i'd expect his rebounding to also improve, from about 8 to 11.

All things being equal i'd expect Pau's stats to be something like:

24 ppg
11 rpg
4 apg
1 spg
3 bpg

 

[Fall Out Boy]

Originally posted by jod23
Battier just doesnt impress me.

Why?

Does he need to have a huge ego or mad hops to get recognised?

I absolutely love the way he plays.

He is a no fuss, team leader and quality person who does his job without all the egomanical bullshyt that goes hand in hand with the NBA.

Besides his personal qualities, his numbers are great.

He is extremely versatile, being 6'8" and capable of playing the 1, 2 and 3.

He is also one of only approx. 6-7 guys in the league to have no statistical deficiencies.

He scores, rebounds, gets assists, and most vitally, he gets a heap of steals and even a block a night.

 

[jod23]

Originally posted by phatandphreaky


Why?

Does he need to have a huge ego or mad hops to get recognised?

I absolutely love the way he plays.

He is a no fuss, team leader and quality person who does his job without all the egomanical bullshyt that goes hand in hand with the NBA.

Besides his personal qualities, his numbers are great.

He is extremely versatile, being 6'8" and capable of playing the 1, 2 and 3.

He is also one of only approx. 6-7 guys in the league to have no statistical deficiencies.

He scores, rebounds, gets assists, and most vitally, he gets a heap of steals and even a block a night.

There is a heap of guys just like this in the NBA and they do it a whole lot better than Battier night in and night out. Just my opinion. He's a good player but he will only ever be what we saw next season. I dont think he will get any better whereas Curry and Chandler have huge upsides. Gasol too, obviously.

 

[jod23]

Originally posted by phatandphreaky


I'll preface this by saying that i am a mad Gasol and Grizz fan.

I expect at least a 20% improvement, across the board, from Pau in this his second season.

Not only has his understanding of the game improved, but his personal life is far more stable (found it hard to live away from his mum, and found the American food impossible)

When commenting on Pau, we must remember that despite getting 18ppg last year, he was NOT the first offensive option.
He did so well because he has extraordinary touch around the basket, his FG% of .518 is special for a kid playing the 3.

Given he will now get an extra 5-10 shot opportunties, i'd think he'd average between 22-26 points a game.

With his added strength i'd expect his rebounding to also improve, from about 8 to 11.

All things being equal i'd expect Pau's stats to be something like:

24 ppg
11 rpg
4 apg
1 spg
3 bpg

Asking a bit much there i think. I see:

20
10
4
1
2

 

[Fall Out Boy]

Originally posted by jod23


There is a heap of guys just like this in the NBA and they do it a whole lot better than Battier night in and night out.

Such as?

Obviously there are one or two stars who are well and truly above Shane, but please name me a 'heap of guys' who do it 'a whole lot better' then Shane.

 

[Fall Out Boy]

Originally posted by jod23


Asking a bit much there i think. I see:

20
10
4
1
2

Why?

In his rookie year he had:

18
8
3
1
2

Even mediocre improvement will boost his numbers above 22 and 10.

 

[coxon]

Originally posted by phatandphreaky


Such as?

Obviously there are one or two stars who are well and truly above Shane, but please name me a 'heap of guys' who do it 'a whole lot better' then Shane.

there are a heap of SF, swingman types that are better than shane...

 

[coxon]

just off the top of my head... (gotta rush off for dinner right now)

those swingman types that shane battier hopes to be like one day..

t-mac
michael finley
bonzi wells
stack
mashburn
lamar odom
ron artest
spree
wally world
jalen rose

pls feel free to add to this list ~

gotta run