Most Over rated Side?

[huggy_b]

Back on track - I reckon the Dogs are over-rated.

Maybe 3 - 5 quality(ish) talls in their entire squad, four 2007 key players pulling the pin, a couple of heavily relied on players getting on in years yet people are still expecting them to be the big climber of 2008? I dont get it....

 

[the crane]

Exactly... Lots of passengers in that side. Lets face it, they are the same side that won a flag by one point.. minus Judd. You will need some players to step up big time and if your looking at Rosa, Priddis etc.. your kidding yourselves. Priddis had a big chance to bolster the midfield against the Pies and they got SMASHED in clearances by the 15th ranked side in that aspect of the game. No courage.
When West Coast were on top Judd and Kerr ruled the contested possessions.. Judd is gone, Kerr cops more attention = bye, bye West Coast flag chances.

Couldn't let this slide...

as poorly as we did in the clearances that night Priddis, a first year player, was inspirational. The kid showed bucketloads of courage to stand up in the heat of september and has a BIG future.

Quick stats for that night back me up: 37 possesions 8 tackles 1 goal 10 clearances to boot.

 

[Del Piero]

Pfft and they call us arrogant.

The little country folk obviously don't see many games...

 

[apex]

Ling < Kerr (ling only owned him at start of season when kerr was getting use to number1 tagger)
Bartel = Cousins
Corey =< Braun
Selwood < Priddis
ablett < judd
S Johnson >> anyone West Coast wants to put up for comparison
Mackie < Hunter
Scarlett >>> Glass
Mooney >>> Lynch
Rooke = Stenglein
Ottens =< Cox

fixed his up a bit lol

I'd somewhat agree with that, although one quick question to the Geelong supporters ... when your comparing players ... shouldn't you be comparing guys who play similar roles not the crap like "Ling > Kerr" .. Kerr is more of an in-under type player, where as Ling is a tagger .. it would be better to go Ling v Stenglein ...

It was well documented that Kerr struggled with taggers in the first few games of the season when he was getting the #1 tagger, but after Judd did his groin, the AFL saw a different Kerr, he was consistently getting 25+ possessions a game, and didn't get 22 votes and equal 2nd finish in the Brownlow for no apparent reason, this coming from a guy who only played what? 17 games for the year!

So therefore the revised list (and my reasoning):

Ling < Kerr (for arguments sake)

Bartel >= Cousins (Both brownlow medallists, Cousins has proven himself to be a superstar, Bartel is still plying his trade, so Bartel has more potential)

Corey =< Braun (Both under-the-radar players for their sides, good loyal servants if you ask me)

Selwood < Priddis (They play different positions, potential for them are both endless, although Priddis was thrust into the furnace, where as Selwood was slowly being exposed)

ablett < judd (Anyone < Judd ... case closed)

S Johnson >> anyone West Coast wants to put up for comparison (would have to agree with this ... guy's crazy good)

Mackie < Hunter (Yep, Hunter .. Mr. Fix It .. September Specialist .. whatever you want to call him)

Scarlett = Glass (2 Best Full Backs in the league, play different styles of FB, our scheme relies on one-on-one footy, where punching the ball out of bounds etc is emphasized more, where as geelong's style is more mark and play on, so obviously Scarlett would have more possessions, but possessions don't always tell the true story.)

Mooney >>> Lynch (Mooney is the player you love to hate, but he gets the job done)


Rooke = Stenglein (Stenglein is more consistent then Rooke, with less injury concern hanging over his head)

Ottens < Cox (Similar to the Steve Johnson comment, seriously? Play different positions, Ottens more of a forward where as Cox plays more midfield)

 

[Stenglein's a Champ!]

Rooke = Stenglein (Stenglein is more consistent then Rooke, with less injury concern hanging over his head)

If that's the case, then shouldn't it be; Stenglein > Rooke.

 

[SIR SAINT HOTDOG]

-St Kilda don't have a forward line now with Gehrig retiring. They are still reliant on a guy playing his 21st season. With no depth and infighthing they are finished.
-Collingwood have no backline. Will be in the 8 but will no progress further without addressing their backline or their ruck problems
-Brisbane are going to improve but not considerably. They are very blue collar except for Black and Brown
-Port? Bring em on. They overachieved this year and are still a few years away from being a contender
-Freo? Ha! enough said..
-West Coke? Their midfield was their only real strength and has been significantly weakened by Judd leaving and Cousins is past it. Cannot do anything but go backwards when you lose a player such as Judd.


As for Geelong;
-Selwood barely played a TAC game in 2006 due to injury and was extremely good in his first year and will dominate next year. He will push for All Australian
-A fit Tom Hawkins and Nathan Ablett will dominate next year, given that Mooney takes the best defender. Hawkins did not have a proper preseason this year due to injury
-G Ablett, Bartel, Corey, Johnson, Kelly, Mackie, Chapman, Stokes are not even close to their prime yet. All still have huge upside, particularly G Ablett
-Rooke barely played in '07 and is ready to dominate in '08



Ling > Kerr
Bartel >>Cousins
Corey > Braun
Selwood > Priddis
S Johnson >> anyone West Coast wants to put up for comparison
Mackie > Hunter
Scarlett >>> Glass
Mooney >>> Lynch
Rooke > Stenglein
Ottens = Cox
Enright >>> Selwood
Chapman >>> Fletcher
Stokes >> Rosa


Egan, Harley, Milburn, Wocjinski, Hunt etc are all better than any comparable Eagles that are left. Add Tom Hawkins and Nathan Ablett with another preseason under their belts and how are the Eagles going to improve more than Geelong will

Wait till Geelong get injuries and we will see how they go

 

[AFKAJR]

I'd somewhat agree with that, although one quick question to the Geelong supporters ... when your comparing players ... shouldn't you be comparing guys who play similar roles not the crap like "Ling > Kerr" .. Kerr is more of an in-under type player, where as Ling is a tagger .. it would be better to go Ling v Stenglein ...

It was well documented that Kerr struggled with taggers in the first few games of the season when he was getting the #1 tagger, but after Judd did his groin, the AFL saw a different Kerr, he was consistently getting 25+ possessions a game, and didn't get 22 votes and equal 2nd finish in the Brownlow for no apparent reason, this coming from a guy who only played what? 17 games for the year!

So therefore the revised list (and my reasoning):

Ling < Kerr (for arguments sake)

Bartel >= Cousins (Both brownlow medallists, Cousins has proven himself to be a superstar, Bartel is still plying his trade, so Bartel has more potential)

Corey =< Braun (Both under-the-radar players for their sides, good loyal servants if you ask me)

Selwood < Priddis (They play different positions, potential for them are both endless, although Priddis was thrust into the furnace, where as Selwood was slowly being exposed)

ablett < judd (Anyone < Judd ... case closed)

S Johnson >> anyone West Coast wants to put up for comparison (would have to agree with this ... guy's crazy good)

Mackie < Hunter (Yep, Hunter .. Mr. Fix It .. September Specialist .. whatever you want to call him)

Scarlett = Glass (2 Best Full Backs in the league, play different styles of FB, our scheme relies on one-on-one footy, where punching the ball out of bounds etc is emphasized more, where as geelong's style is more mark and play on, so obviously Scarlett would have more possessions, but possessions don't always tell the true story.)

Mooney >>> Lynch (Mooney is the player you love to hate, but he gets the job done)


Rooke = Stenglein (Stenglein is more consistent then Rooke, with less injury concern hanging over his head)

Ottens < Cox (Similar to the Steve Johnson comment, seriously? Play different positions, Ottens more of a forward where as Cox plays more midfield)

Don't disagree with most of what you've said, but agian i'm going to have to take issue with WCE fans rating Hunter. IMO he starts in defence, plays loose chasing posessions, gives up a couple of goals then gets moved forward and snares one for himself before any resonable defender goes to him and closes him down as an attacking option.

There is no doubt the kid has some toughness some ability (he did afterall knock out Lloyd) but he needs to learn to play as a team member, he just seems to get lost for large portions of games.

And it really sh!ts me that WCE fans seem to rate him as some marquee player.

Rant over...... for now.

Hunter you will continue to feel my wrath.

 

[wce0632]

Embley is so overatted.

I said to myself before the GF when he won the Norm Smith is that all he had to do was get 25+ possessions and they'd give it to him.

yeah because with cousins, kerr, judd, kirke, goodes etc. out there they would have automatically thought embley

i see many people thoroughly underate stenglein.
Who said to compare johnson and embley? can't find the quote, why would you do that?

pretty funny that people think west coast are overrated and think their premiership window is shut. watch a few west coast games and look at the youngsters that are coming through.
and having a go at supporters because we think our team is good??? WTF? we are supporters, we love our club but pretty sure we do not over rate our team, after all we are the ones that watch them play the most right? So we would know if they were good, mediocre or bad...last year they were really good, just like cats fans were thinking after they won the premiership...this year they were good with a mediocre to bad slump in the middle and I'm sure no west coast fan would deny it.

Personally I'm not sure who is over-rated but that will become clear next year. Fremantle were over-rated at the start of 2007, flag favourite and finished 10th or 11th (?).

 

[wce0632]

Don't disagree with most of what you've said, but agian i'm going to have to take issue with WCE fans rating Hunter. IMO he starts in defence, plays loose chasing posessions, gives up a couple of goals then gets moved forward and snares one for himself before any resonable defender goes to him and closes him down as an attacking option.

And it really sh!ts me that WCE fans seem to rate him as some marquee player.

.

Football media really try to pump up Hunter as a swing man, not so much the club or supporters, lots of eagles fans think that hunter had a pretty mediocre year. He has proven himself though in both defence and up forward. He is a Good option but is not over-rated by those around west coast.
Also Hunter does not play loose man, he always matches up. If and when a loose man plays in defense for the eagles it is generally Wirrpanda.

Also:
Glass > Scarlett
Glass has been more consistently good than Scarlett.
If Glass was out of our side, from what I've seen of Geelong, we would miss his presence more than Geelong would miss scarlett. Although both have been pretty much on par this year.

 

[Underdog]

Mooney >>> Lynch

Mooney >>> Lynch

Great example of overrating ones own players...

not much difference here http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_compare?tid1=10&pid1=245&tid2=19&pid2=575

Mooney averages slightly more marks and goals whilst Lynch has him covered everywhere else
also considering Lynch was one of our leading inside 50 players...

Certainly not enough to warrant all the >>>'s

They would be pretty much on par

To say Mooney is way better totally discredits your argument

 

[huggy_b]

Don't disagree with most of what you've said, but agian i'm going to have to take issue with WCE fans rating Hunter. IMO he starts in defence, plays loose chasing posessions, gives up a couple of goals then gets moved forward and snares one for himself before any resonable defender goes to him and closes him down as an attacking option.

There is no doubt the kid has some toughness some ability (he did afterall knock out Lloyd) but he needs to learn to play as a team member, he just seems to get lost for large portions of games.

And it really sh!ts me that WCE fans seem to rate him as some marquee player.

Rant over...... for now.

Hunter you will continue to feel my wrath.

Agreed - him and Embley.

 

[Bender571]

oh god i hope your kidding, who wants to see one team spank another bar the clubs supporters (and even then.. 99% of people would rather see a hard earned close win then an opposing team choke thrashing)

also..

Ling < Kerr (ling only owned him at start of season when kerr was getting use to number1 tagger)
Bartel = Cousins
Corey =< Braun
Selwood < Priddis
ablett < judd
S Johnson >> anyone West Coast wants to put up for comparison
Mackie < Hunter
Scarlett >>> Glass
Mooney >>> Lynch
Rooke = Stenglein
Ottens =< Cox

fixed his up a bit lol

Why are people comparing players. AFL is a TEAM game. You win games as a team you can't expect superstars to win games off their own boot.

Next year I'd back geelong to beat the eagles simply because they play a better team game. Their run and play on style is just awesome to watch.

 

[jod23]

Lets see.

West Coast drew with Collingwood missing Judd, Cousins, Kerr & Hansen.

Geelong beat Collingwood by 5 points missing Matthew Egan.

So ifyou took the equivalent players out of the Geelong lineup. Bartel, Ablett, Corey and Mooney and returned Egan to the side - do you honestly think Geelong would have beaten Collingwood?

This was the one that got away for West Coast, but thems the breaks. Geelong deserved the premiership and they got it!

Excellent post.

 

[jod23]

Geelong - Some of their fans even think they would match the Lions that went back to back to back.



West Coast are probably underrated. They lost both finals by a kick or less, with little to no impact from Judd, Cousins and Kerr.

Also an excellent post.

 

[jod23]

Geez I'm not sure were to start here

Here we go...

Myth number 1: "Kerr struggles with taggers"
Yes it's true he struggled for the first few games when he became the number one midfielder after Judd went down. However in his last 8 games, 6 games he had over 30 'Kerr' possession [none of this kick to kick crap] with the other two games 25 and 27 possessions respectively - now if that's struggling with a tag, I want to see the stats for someone dominating a tagger

Myth number 2: "Cousins is a reciever"
To a degree yes - In recent years with the development of Judd and Kerr he was moved to a more outide role as he is our classiest and best finisher. But you just have to look at some of his games this year - In his 38 possession come back game he led the game in CONTESTED possessions with 19 - If he has to he is one of the best clearance players in the league - watch the St Kilda game in the second half, Smashed St Kilda in the guts

Myth Number 3: "Priddis need to win more ball himself"
Was the this a slight troll thrown into your post? Or are you that uninformed about West Coast? He led West Coast in tackles and was third in the league, was a leading clearance player and up there in contested possessions

There's other things wrong with that post, but they're the main ones

Third excellent post.

 

[dobbo_18]

Originally Posted by linga_is_no1
I mean for FFS you won one premiership using boring defensive slow down football

I agree that Geelong would still have beaten us if we were fully fit, but this is utter bullshit, the only reason we didn't score as much as other teams was because of our average/poor forwardline. I can't wait until next year if we keep a full team on the park.

 

[apex]

Don't disagree with most of what you've said, but agian i'm going to have to take issue with WCE fans rating Hunter. IMO he starts in defence, plays loose chasing posessions, gives up a couple of goals then gets moved forward and snares one for himself before any resonable defender goes to him and closes him down as an attacking option.

There is no doubt the kid has some toughness some ability (he did afterall knock out Lloyd) but he needs to learn to play as a team member, he just seems to get lost for large portions of games.

And it really sh!ts me that WCE fans seem to rate him as some marquee player.

Rant over...... for now.

Hunter you will continue to feel my wrath.

I personally don't rate Hunter that much, I find him a liability, but he has proven time and time again that he can get the job done (although this year was a bit mediocre for him, he did pull out some special performances)

and Re. Underdog's post .. didn't know Mooney and Lynch were that close ... damn! ... I'd probably under-rated Lynch .. Mooney >= Lynch, just because Mooney is a better contested mark, but Lynch is dangerous anywhere between 70m

 

[Rik E Boy]

Do you realise that the 2007 Geelong side wouldn't have finished in the top 4 if they had played in the 2006 season.

Horseshit. Geelong 2006 beat Freo 2006 by ten goals. Try again. My vote for 'BigFooty' overrated is Adelaide. All they had to do to gain everyone's universal respect on this site was string two wins together. Freo and the Bulldogs proved to be overrated and at the moment a lot of people are starting to overrate St Kilda at the moment. Underrated, Hawthorn and Port.

I also reckon some of you West Coast fans will be in for a big shock when the 'big names' come back. Should be a great game anyhow.

regards,

REB

 

[Frederlick]

As soon as I saw a Geelong fan posted this, I knew they would say West Coast.



You don't get many West Coast games in Geelong, do you?

They are still getting over the great choke of '06 down there.

 

[Trickstar]

Gee some people go on with crap on this site! I use to enjoy reading the comments about teams and performance etc etc but there are a lot of contributors who get their g-strings stuck up their own a#$ses and cannot let someone else have an opinion. We all have different opinions and thoughts and should be allowed to make comments without personal attacks from others.

Anyway here's my two cents worth:

Freo - were overated at the begining of the year and failed to live up to expectations - I notice already commentators are talking them up for next year again.

St Kilda, Bulldogs & Melbourne - high expectations were placed on them and they didn't perform - so you could say begining of the year overated.

Swans & Crows - ageing lists, style of play does not always work had their times and now time to rebuild

Cats, Port, hawks, Pies and Roos - none of them overated they performed probably all above the expectations for this year. Geelong have been in finals for the last 4 years except last year when there was obviously trouble in the camp, I don't think we can be talking about a dynasty as yet as you have to see if the hunger is still there next year. Port got to the GF and worthy of it with their second half of the year. Roos, Hawks and Pies or young sides with great futures.

Tigers, Carlton - how could they be overated - more disappointing.

But the most overated is the Bombers - saying that they have a great list - your kidding - take Lloyd and Lucas out and what have they got? Sure they have some youngsters developing but they still have a long way to go.

 

[Rik E Boy]

They are still getting over the great choke of '06 down there.

Yeah, there were 25 thousand Cats fans worrying about it at Cat Park on Sunday.

 

[MF]

Sydney beat Geelong in the last seconds before the Prelim '05.. talking about scraping wins?? Sydney didn't change their lineup for the last 7-8 games of the season.. no injuries?? I guess they weren't overrated.. no of course not.

The footy public should be kissing our back sides for bringing the game of AFL back to a watchable event. Sydney near made the AFL bring in rules to stop the rubbish your lot puts out there week to week. Luck is purposely restricting the other team as your number 1 objective, then hoping that you win by low margins... Good riddance to the swans garbage style of play... Geelong are the trend setters now.

1. Yes Sydney scraped in too. I don't believe I said they didn't and it was a semi not a prelim.

2. You're correct, we didn't change our lineup much for the last 7 or 8 weeks of that season and yes, we were very lucky and I stated that all premiership teams need to be lucky to a certain point. However I'm not really sure what this has to do with the topic being discussed.

3. The rest of your post is just pointless rambling that has nothing to do with the topic which you seem to be having trouble grasping so I won't bother addressing these points.

 

[catpounce]

St Kilda most overrated team Riewoldt most over rated player

 

[Stenglein's a Champ!]

Riewoldt most over rated player

Riewoldt's an absolute star. It's just that his kicking needs work.

 

[donbooger]

heading into next year i think fremantle are a little overated, everyone always has high hopes and they never live to there potential should end up the same 2008.

On West Coast this year though at full strength would have been the only team to be up above the pack next to geelong, they were the only team i was scared of entering the finals.

Geelong picked a great year to peak, Sydney and adelaide are heading down lots of teams rebuilding and will be dangerous next year and onwards. West Coast were the main threat and were crippled with injuries heading in to the finals.

On a full strength match up between the two sides id pick geelong, everyone is comparing the top 10 players from each and i think it looks to favour west coast but geelong will win because of the next 10 players, tremendous depth.