Being realistic, in what sporting culture is refuting a teammates testimony actually going to happen?
Seems ridiculous to hate Tendulkar for that.
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Being realistic, in what sporting culture is refuting a teammates testimony actually going to happen?
Seems ridiculous to hate Tendulkar for that.
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He didn't refute his teammates testimony, he told two completely different versions of events.
Never said I hate him, just that I don't respect him.
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Just going back to Murali, I think something that gets overlooked when lauding over his 800 wickets is the ridiculous amount of overs he bowled. He averaged 31.5 overs bowled per innings, over 133 Tests. That's insane.
Yes, he's a spinner, and yes, Sri Lanka didn't have too many strike options, and full credit to him for carrying that workload for so long and being so economical in the process (economy rate of 2.47), but his final wicket tally is somewhat boosted by the insane amount of overs he churned through, as his strike rate in isolation (one wicket every 55.05 balls bowled) is great, but not eye-poppingly so, and has been surpassed by guys like Ashwin (53.10) and MacGill (54.02)
If you put the top three wicket-taking spinners of all-time, Murali, Warne, and Kumble (they also happen to be the top three in terms of most balls bowled in Test cricket, coincidentally, with other spinners like Vettori, Harbhajan, Lance Gibbs and Herath taking four of the next eight places), on a more equal footing in terms of workload (let's go with an even 20 overs bowled per innings bowled in, across the actual number of Tests they played, at the same strike rate), their career wicket tallies look a lot different:
Murali - 501 wickets (800 in reality)
Warne - 570 wickets (708 in reality)
Kumble - 429 wickets (619 in reality)
Yes, he's a spinner, and yes, Sri Lanka didn't have too many strike options, and full credit to him for carrying that workload for so long and being so economical in the process (economy rate of 2.47), but his final wicket tally is somewhat boosted by the insane amount of overs he churned through, as his strike rate in isolation (one wicket every 55.05 balls bowled) is great, but not eye-poppingly so, and has been surpassed by guys like Ashwin (53.10) and MacGill (54.02)
If you put the top three wicket-taking spinners of all-time, Murali, Warne, and Kumble (they also happen to be the top three in terms of most balls bowled in Test cricket, coincidentally, with other spinners like Vettori, Harbhajan, Lance Gibbs and Herath taking four of the next eight places), on a more equal footing in terms of workload (let's go with an even 20 overs bowled per innings bowled in, across the actual number of Tests they played, at the same strike rate), their career wicket tallies look a lot different:
Murali - 501 wickets (800 in reality)
Warne - 570 wickets (708 in reality)
Kumble - 429 wickets (619 in reality)
Pretty hard work though throwing, um sorry bowling that many overs though.
On the flip side he bowled offspin. The very nature of the art is unlikely to leave someone with a better strike rate than a leg spinner. It’s death by a thousand cuts rather than every ball being a chance for a boundary or a wicket
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Marlon Samuels......
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I assume you've met him to label him a "loathsome human" ???
Fair to say that texting your own missus, accidentally, to tee up an extra-marital root, DURING AN ATTEMPTED RECONCILLIATION AFTER YOUVE BEEN CAUGHT HAVING AN AFFAIR is a pretty decent indicator
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And all the Windies cricketers who rooted around in the 70's and 80's.
Model citizens I'm assuming???
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So Warnes' a "Loathsome Human" (not your words I know).
That makes Viv and the boys "Loathsome Humans" as well......
Warne also had to get the royal treatment any time he went on a fitness camp with his teammates. Was even allowed to take durries because hey, he’s Shane Warne right?
He tried to pass the buck to his own Mum when he failed a drug test. Oh very responsible Warney.
He accepted money from an anti-smoking company but continued to do it anyway.
He has carried numerous personal feuds over into the public domain for years and refuses to let them go.
Oh yeah you need to be in Warney’s Inner circle to know he’s a jerk.
He tried to pass the buck to his own Mum when he failed a drug test. Oh very responsible Warney.
He accepted money from an anti-smoking company but continued to do it anyway.
He has carried numerous personal feuds over into the public domain for years and refuses to let them go.
Oh yeah you need to be in Warney’s Inner circle to know he’s a jerk.
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No relation actually.
So with the Windies boys its a "yeah probably" only, its a "yeah definetly" actually.
They were dope smoking, groupie rooters......
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So none of them were married?
Also this.
Roscreas notice how I didn’t mention - and really don’t give a f*** about the little threes-up he was photographed in, for the simple reason that he was actually single at the time. Do what you want buddy.
Mate you’ve just basically labelled an entire team of players as philandering serial cheats. Some probably were. And those of them who did? Absolutely deserve the same sorts of labels as Warne.
The dope smoking is neither here nor there. I imagine if they were caught out doing it, though, they wouldn’t pin it on their own parents.
Warne smoking for that matter is neither here nor there as well. But demanding to be treated different from your teammates because of your habit, or taking cash to advertise something and not even giving up the darts for the two months or whatever it was, is pretty low.
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With Warne its what he " has been doing", with your beloved Windies party boys its " if they were doing"......
I don't love Shane Warne, but you and Gough amongst others must be perfect human beings, never done anything wrong.
How does anything he has done affect your life?
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