Most Valuable Forward

[Strapping Young Lad]

Possibly, but he offers little else.

It's not as if the Hawks crumbers make a living at his feet.

Offers little else? That's an extremely naive thing to say Wally.
You're obviously not aware of the games where he's played up the ground and the presence he has.

 

[Hawkinspired]

That's funny Geelong has won 2 or the last 3 flags and Johnson and Chapman have each won the Norm Smith.

They're the best small/mid combination in the league and Geelong's key forwards are constantly ridiculed on these boards by supporters of every side.

Ablett, Scarlett, Ottens etc are often cited as being Geelong's most important players but if you took both Chapman and Johnson out then Geelong wouldn't be contenders.

Back to the limited choice thrown up in the OP. It would be either Brown or Franklin for me. Brown can drag you over the line and has presence in spades while Franklin can win you the almost unwinnable.

Chapman and Johnson TOGETHER are as good as a key forward. And they have to be with Mooney as the key forward...

 

[Wally Carter]

Offers little else? That's an extremely naive thing to say Wally.
You're obviously not aware of the games where he's played up the ground and the presence he has.

He's a flanker with a booming left foot. He takes up a ton of space and he offers little in the way of a physical presence in the packs.

They're the facts. If character assassinating me makes you feel better about that then go ahead and do it.

I'd choose Brown. He actually kicks goals, straightens a team up, and provides a significant physical presence.

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

Chapman and Johnson TOGETHER are as good as a key forward. And they have to be with Mooney as the key forward...

Chapman and Johnson TOGETHER are better than any one key forward and some of you opposition supporters truly don't have much of a clue when it comes to Mooney.

Mooney while sometimes having the yips and carrying on when he kicks a goal and not kicking 70-100 goals a year, is a very good, smart player. One thing he does have over Franklin is that he is very good in general play off both feet. He'd be one of the better kicks in the comp off his no preferred.

He straightens Geelong up, he provides a good hard contest all day and he either brings the ball to ground for the likes of Chapman and Johnson or he will get himself and dish it off. IMO you can't ask for a lot more from a key forward.

No he's not as good as the players listed in the poll, but he is a very good solid footballer who has been integral to Geelong's success. You might forget too that it was only back in '04 and '05 that he was starring at CHB and in the ruck for Geelong, running around as a big free range utility.

 

[Sttew]

Forwards don't win premierships. Tell me the last one to dominate and win a premiership for his team?
But Brown is the MVF for me.

 

[King_Tredrea]

atm definitely Browny

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

Forwards don't win premierships. Tell me the last one to dominate and win a premiership for his team?
But Brown is the MVF for me.

Toby Thurstans would argue otherwise

 

[AG]

That's funny Geelong has won 2 or the last 3 flags and Johnson and Chapman have each won the Norm Smith.

They're the best small/mid combination in the league and Geelong's key forwards are constantly ridiculed on these boards by supporters of every side.

I mean for the whole comp. The best forward will normally always be a key position player.

Even for Geelong, the value of Mooney isn't that far behind Chapman or Johnson. You have more like for like replacements for small/medium forwards. Mooney is your best key forward by a fair margin.

 

[gangsta deluxe]

Value is a philosophical concept of no small debate.

I suggest that you, who wrote the OP, should give a stipulative definition of the term so that there is no confusion.

Also, there are only large forwards on that list. Collingwood, Geelong, the dogs, St Kilda etc all have medium or small forwards that are extremely good players.

Adelaide fans would be a bit irritated about that short list too, and deservedly so.

 

[bombermick]

Forwards don't win premierships. Tell me the last one to dominate and win a premiership for his team?
But Brown is the MVF for me.

Probably Lloyd, Lucas and Lynch and Bradshaw. But, I take your point, in the modern game the midfield is far more important than key position forwards. Smaller flankers also have a major say.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

He's a flanker with a booming left foot. He takes up a ton of space and he offers little in the way of a physical presence in the packs.

They're the facts. If character assassinating me makes you feel better about that then go ahead and do it.

I'd choose Brown. He actually kicks goals, straightens a team up, and provides a significant physical presence.

So Franklin...doesn't kick goals, straighten us up or provide a physical presence??? What the?
Have you got him mixed up with Xavier Clarke?

We're talking about a guy that has forced opposition teams to devise defensive structures that allow 2 or 3 players to be in his area whenever the ball get's near him. The very player who has averaged 3.7 goals a game over the last 3 seasons.
In fact, this is the very same guy that gets mentioned as the major source of concern anytime a match preview is alluded to or written about by an AFL coach.

Where the hell did you get character assassination from?
By claiming Franklin is a forward flanker with no presence, you're doing a good enough job of that without me having to add much.

 

[bali-dog]

immediately think Franklin, but would have to say Reiwoldt as the all round package..leadership etc..

and i believe Lecras was 5th on last years goal tally list? (had to mention that)

 

[Wish Wellingtons]

Pavlich easily.

If he had a half decent side around him he would absolutely dominate.

I have never seen a player with the ability to dominate anywhere on the ground like Pavlich.

I would love to see what he would be capable of starting at CHF for the cats.

 

[wazcats]

That's funny Geelong has won 2 or the last 3 flags and Johnson and Chapman have each won the Norm Smith.

They're the best small/mid combination in the league and Geelong's key forwards are constantly ridiculed on these boards by supporters of every side.

Ablett, Scarlett, Ottens etc are often cited as being Geelong's most important players but if you took both Chapman and Johnson out then Geelong wouldn't be contenders.

Back to the limited choice thrown up in the OP. It would be either Brown or Franklin for me. Brown can drag you over the line and has presence in spades while Franklin can win you the almost unwinnable.

That's what i'm talking about!!!!!
Take your blinkers off people.
Steve Johnson was leading or close to leading, most of the polls up to about round 6.
Chapman's no slouch either.
Big guys stand out and occasionally kick bags, (and i'ld have any of Roo, Browny, Buddy, Pav etc... in my side anyday) - but, the most VALUABLE forwards are the ones that win the big games.
Enter Johno and Chappy. Throw in Rooke after Grand Final day - now there is VALUE.

 

[jerry springer]

Riewoldt on lasts years form, easily

 

[Rawhead]

It is a well known fact that no good players exist outside of the state of Victoria

 

[jerry springer]

It is a well known fact that no good players exist outside of the state of Victoria

2 years ago,Brown would of won this poll,Buddy and Riewoldt have had better seasons since then.Get over your interstate complex

 

[NMFC ALWAYS]

2008 - Franklin
2009 - Riewoldt
2010 - Either of those two above .

 

[Kim Hagdorn]

The big unit.

 

[halfback dasher]

Age has no bearing on the MVP so not sure why people are mentioning it.

Riewoldt > Brown > Franklin > Fevola.

Riewoldt was the MVP of 2009 imo so he would definitely be the MVF.

Bloody hell...of all the people i have to say hit the nail on the head.........On the money SJ05...

 

[Mcchawk]

Talk of small forwards is embarrassing.

Trying not to being bias but Buddy is the only one to kick 100. Must admit love Browny's leadership also. Whoever has said Pav also is on the money put him in one position in one good team. He'd have a Charlie around his neck

 

[wazcats]

Talk of small forwards is embarrassing.

Trying not to being bias but Buddy is the only one to kick 100. Must admit love Browny's leadership also. Whoever has said Pav also is on the money put him in one position in one good team. He'd have a Charlie around his neck

Gee McHawk sorry you're feeling embarrassed. Maybe it's the imited scope you're looking at the question poised here.

I'll throw in Ryan O'Keefe to the arguement too. Very 'valuable' to the Swans chances of success.

 

[Peck]

I can't see how pavlich is not part of this poll.

He's easily the most important forward.

Well, maybe fevola since he kicks like 50% of carltons goals lol.

From the poll its reiwoldt, does so much for Saint Kilda.

 

[Swooper Eagle]

Which is the most valuable forward in the competition?

Franklin is probably most talented, but hands down St Nick is most valuable to his team.

 

[Wally Carter]

So Franklin...doesn't kick goals, straighten us up or provide a physical presence??? What the?
Have you got him mixed up with Xavier Clarke?

Franklin doesn't straighten his team up. His signature play is pushing up the ground, winning the ball and then wheeling on to that booming left foot.

Roughead does more to straighten the hawks up.