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TiggerMan22

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Congrats Selwood for captaining Geelong into his first grand final as captain after 4 prelim losses, 1 semi final loss and 2 elimination final losses!

Cotchy can show him the ropes of how to captain a team in a grand final :)
 

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Great thread great bump.

Cotchin eclipses Selwood, in both individual awards, and as a captain in team results.

The coming flag to be decided will surely impact their ratings

If the cats win, , it will be 5 flags to 4 dangerwoods way, if tigers win it will be 6 flags to 3 motchins way.
 

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Great thread great bump.

Cotchin eclipses Selwood, in both individual awards, and as a captain in team results.

The coming flag to be decided will surely impact their ratings

If the cats win, , it will be 5 flags to 4 dangerwoods way, if tigers win it will be 6 flags to 3 motchins way.
Take out Cotchin’s 2012 season and he’s closer to Richie Vandenberg than he is to Joel Selwood.

Will be an amazing career but let’s not kid ourselves. He’s only been an elite midfielder for maybe 2 or 3 years.
 

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Piggy Smalls

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Great thread great bump.

Cotchin eclipses Selwood, in both individual awards, and as a captain in team results.

The coming flag to be decided will surely impact their ratings

If the cats win, , it will be 5 flags to 4 dangerwoods way, if tigers win it will be 6 flags to 3 motchins way.
I get what you are saying but this somewhat diminishes the contribution of their teammates.
Maybe a bit of 2 on 2 in the 50m arc during the preseason? Wouldn’t be any worse a spectacle than AFLX
 

TiggerMan22

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Take out Cotchin’s 2012 season and he’s closer to Richie Vandenberg than he is to Joel Selwood.

Will be an amazing career but let’s not kid ourselves. He’s only been an elite midfielder for maybe 2 or 3 years.
2-3 years? Lmao.
16, 19, 18 and 17 brownlow votes in the years around 2012.

He was an elite midfielder from 2011-2015.
In 2017 he became an elite leader. He impacts games heavily without getting the touches he used to get. 2017 QF is the perfect example of that.
 

Kreuuuzeurns

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2-3 years? Lmao.
16, 19, 18 and 17 brownlow votes in the years around 2012.

He was an elite midfielder from 2011-2015.
In 2017 he became an elite leader. He impacts games heavily without getting the touches he used to get. 2017 QF is the perfect example of that.
4 years then :thumbsu: nowhere near the other 3 for consistency at the top.

I do agree he is a great leader.
 

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Wouldn't go as far to say anyone's tougher than Selwood, but Trent is an amazing, manic and brave competitor, and I'd rather have no one lead my club, or fight it out in the clinches.
 

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So far Cotchin and Martin > Selwood and Danger in finals. next week might change that if cats win, if Tigers win then it is not even a contest.
 

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Lot of the discussion seems to be around Selwood v Cotchin. Coin flip for mine, gun to my head would probably go Selwood. Imho Dusty v Danger is the deciding factor if you actually want to seperate the two groups as there’s a clear gap there.
 

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Dusty and Danger will go down as all time legendary players.

Selwood and Cotchin both outstanding captains.

I'd probably go Danger + Selwood if I could take a duo as 18 year olds, couldn't go wrong with either pair though.
 

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Cotchin is a funny case. His standing in game has turned by 180% since 2016. At the start of 2016 he had finals loss to 9th, a coin toss and a 9 disposal final to his name (all three captaining a team with a history of underachieving). He was probably considered the worst captain in the league by a lot of people. A few years on he is a Brownlow medalist, dual premiership captain and has some inspiring finals to his name. Primed to go out a great of the game.
 

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Cotchin is a better player now than when he was getting 30 touches a game. He was exceptionally clean under pressure when the game was there to be won on Friday night.
 

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Selwood is the 2nd best player last 15 years, goes without saying he falls only behind Hodge.

All the Ablett / Buddy fans will disagree, however, great players AND captains are extremely rare, and would always be first picked in my team.

It's tough for Cotch to be in that elite couplet on the great player comparison.

However, he is better as a skipper and player than most people admit, or perhaps they don't actually watch the game and follow the media narrative and their consensus instead of making up their own minds. For example, did anyone have him on the top 5 or so players on Friday night? Prob not.
 

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Cotchin has been better than Selwood this year, but Selwood's had a few injuries (still carrying one). I'd pick Cotchin over Selwood. I think Cotchin could win the Norm Smith, I don't think Selwood with one hand is even a chance. (Cotchin racks up another Prelim MRP fine this year, too).

But Dangerfield is better than Martin. He butchers it more (dusty is a better kick), but Dangerfield gets it more (including in finals), gets his own clearances, takes more contested marks and is more dangerous when the ball isn't in his hands. If the ball went to a wing to a one-on-one contest between the two either in the air or on the ground, Dangerfield would win the ball 8 times out of 10.

All 4 of those will play well in the GF.

What's more important is if

Duncan, Parfitt, Menegola and Guthrie

play better than

Bolton, Prestia, Edwards and Pickett

Guthrie and Bolton have had outstanding years.

Edwards and Duncan are really good players with some time off this year due to injuries. Prestia and Menegola seem to get the job done.

Pickett's best game of his career was his first in a Grand Final, maybe it was luck in a dominant display, maybe he's a bigger game player, but haven't seen much in finals this year from him and he's been pretty ordinary throughout the season.

Parfitt has been tough in the finals but a bit wasteful and makes strange decisions sometimes.
 

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Cotchin has been better than Selwood this year, but Selwood's had a few injuries (still carrying one). I'd pick Cotchin over Selwood. I think Cotchin could win the Norm Smith, I don't think Selwood with one hand is even a chance. (Cotchin racks up another Prelim MRP fine this year, too).

But Dangerfield is better than Martin. He butchers it more (dusty is a better kick), but Dangerfield gets it more (including in finals), gets his own clearances, takes more contested marks and is more dangerous when the ball isn't in his hands. If the ball went to a wing to a one-on-one contest between the two either in the air or on the ground, Dangerfield would win the ball 8 times out of 10.

All 4 of those will play well in the GF.

What's more important is if

Duncan, Parfitt, Menegola and Guthrie

play better than

Bolton, Prestia, Edwards and Pickett

Guthrie and Bolton have had outstanding years.

Edwards and Duncan are really good players with some time off this year due to injuries. Prestia and Menegola seem to get the job done.

Pickett's best game of his career was his first in a Grand Final, maybe it was luck in a dominant display, maybe he's a bigger game player, but haven't seen much in finals this year from him and he's been pretty ordinary throughout the season.

Parfitt has been tough in the finals but a bit wasteful and makes strange decisions sometimes.
This is a joke yeah?

Dusty has been BOG or very close to it in almost every final from 2017. Whereas Danger has continually gone missing.

There's a far far better chance that Dusty will perform this weekend than Dangerflop will.
 

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