Mother to be charged with the murder and attempted murder of two young sons

[tandino]

The father seemingly did not make efforts to step up and be in his kids lives even while their mother was in jail. If he was less of a pathetic excuse of a man there would be a much greater chance that child would be alive.

This does not seem like a case of father getting screwed over by the system(which is a massive issue) more like a father who did not even try despite having knowledge of the character of the mother. If he had tried to stay in their lives while she went off the rails he would have got custody of those kids(unless there were very serious issues about him unknown to us).

No this does not make him anywhere near the level of filth that the mother is. He is however another adult in a long line that failed these kids and the fact they are his own means if he had even the slightest bit of integrity he should feel really ******* s**t about himself.\

We know nothing about this man or the situation that has led to him being estranged from his children. I think we can assume that he is no saint, and he could have done more to protect his children, though asking "why didn't he stay?" is straying close to "why didn't she leave?", in that it probably has a complex and ultimately pointless answer. Complex in the sense that there are probably multiple reasons. Pointless in the sense that it serves as a distraction. He is not on trial here.

He's a father that has lost a child. He does not deserve the vitriol that has been sprayed in his direction, including on Facebook groups ostensibly against domestic and family violence.

 

[BORK]

Can we not make this a man dad versus woman mother thing? As I see it, a mental health drug issue.

They are both dropkicks with her being filthy criminal murderous scum as well.

Her long history of wrongdoing with the law demonstrates her evil. Mental health issue seems more like a cop out here IMO. There are juat some plain bad people out there.

This is far more of a family violence issue(the two issues very much attach themselves). The bigger issue here regarding authorities is why did she get thrown back in the home of a person that had taken an AVO against her against their wishes. I am really sceptical that happens if the same apparent psycho addict criminal is male and the grandparents repeated warnings afterward would likely have been taken more seriously.

 

[Tigersfan35]

This story is angers me
Whether your on drugs or not I don't know what could go through your head to attempt to kill your children. SMH
http://www.smh.com.au/national/boy-...ed-by-dog-woman-arrested-20170302-gupsfk.html

 

[Flash of power]

Sell your watch rather than expect everyone else to pay for your ticket, loser. Own the problem.

Ya reckon that bloke would own a watch worth selling?

Geezuz, your youngest is dead murdered by his scumbag mother and your oldest in hospital after suffering unimaginably, and you can't get to Melbourne because "funds are a bit tight". If that was me I would get their if I had to walk or hitch a ride, what does this bloke want enough for business class airfares or something.

 

[Orange Agent]

The GoFund me page he setup had an original target of $1000, which was made pretty quickly, so dad of the year then jacked the target up to $5000.

 

[Flash of power]

The really disgusting part of this story is the feral daughter being left with her parents after her release from jail, despite the fact that they had a restraining order against her due to violence and other unsavoury behaviour.

The letter to the Dept from their lawyer is astonishing, this will not be the end of this, heads need to roll.

 

[BORK]

The really disgusting part of this story is the feral daughter being left with her parents after her release from jail, despite the fact that they had a restraining order against her due to violence and other unsavoury behaviour.

The letter to the Dept from their lawyer is astonishing, this will not be the end of this, heads need to roll.

It is simply stunning. You would think such a catastrophic system failure will draw the close attention of Rosie Batty considering what she fought for after the tragedy she faced.

I am curious to know of any other case where someone comes out of jail and in forced into a household that had taken an AVO against them against the will of the people in that household and putting children at risk in the process.

 

[JackNah_8]

I dont get how she was allowed to live close by after her release from jail. What a system we have,, ugh

Rosie Batty was Australian of Year - hoping to raise awareness and prevention of domestic violence, don't know what she's doing now.

 

[BORK]

I dont get how she was allowed to live close by after her release from jail. What a system we have,, ugh

Rosie Batty was Australian of Year - hoping to raise awareness and prevention of domestic violence, don't know what she's doing now.

Not just close by. In the same damn house despite the occupants of that house being past victims of her violence.

Regarding Batty. Not only is this an example of family violence leading to murder but also the systemic failure attached to it that should grab her attention.

https://www.theguardian.com/austral...ght-about-child-protection-and-police-systems

Rosie Batty wants the inquest into her son Luke's murder to address the "systemic" failures in Victoria's child protection system, and has urged police and care agencies to put children's safety ahead of their own self-interests.

 

[JackNah_8]

Not just close by. In the same damn house despite the occupants of that house being past victims of her violence.

Regarding Batty. Not only is this an example of family violence leading to murder but also the systemic failure attached to it that should grab her attention.

https://www.theguardian.com/austral...ght-about-child-protection-and-police-systems

Another good quote from Batty:


“Greg was never made accountable, not once,” Batty told reporters in Victoria once the inquest had been brought to a close.

“This is unacceptable. The biggest change we need to see is to more effectively intervene with perpetrators, and work to stop their violence. I’m really pleased with Judge Gray’s findings.”

 

[_Mike_]

The Court has a suppression order on the identity of the mother.

Under no circumstances is anyone to start posting any details of her name, address, links to social media etx

 

[BORK]

http://www.news.com.au/national/cou...m/news-story/50b02569c9538f530082c6d78524d4e0

The boys’ heartbroken grandmother has accused NSW government agencies of failing “miserably”.
She holds police and Corrective Services responsible because the daughter was essentially “off-loaded” on her after being released from prison in early February, her lawyer has said.
The boys had been living with their grandparents for close to 18 months.
An apprehended violence order has been in place since May 2016 banning the 27-year-old from assaulting, intimidating or stalking her mother.
But Corrective Services noted yesterday the order only prohibited the mother from approaching the grandmother’s home “within 24 hours of consuming intoxicating liquor or illicit drugs”.
“It did not prevent the mother from living with the grandmother,” Corrective Services said in a statement.
“Arrangements have been made for the offender to receive mental health and substance abuse counselling since her release from custody.
“It appears our staff took reasonable steps to put appropriate services in place and to make alternative accommodation arrangements.
“We could not have foreseen this shocking outcome.”



Heads need to roll.

 

[JackNah_8]

http://www.news.com.au/national/cou...m/news-story/50b02569c9538f530082c6d78524d4e0

The boys’ heartbroken grandmother has accused NSW government agencies of failing “miserably”.
She holds police and Corrective Services responsible because the daughter was essentially “off-loaded” on her after being released from prison in early February, her lawyer has said.
The boys had been living with their grandparents for close to 18 months.
An apprehended violence order has been in place since May 2016 banning the 27-year-old from assaulting, intimidating or stalking her mother.
But Corrective Services noted yesterday the order only prohibited the mother from approaching the grandmother’s home “within 24 hours of consuming intoxicating liquor or illicit drugs”.
“It did not prevent the mother from living with the grandmother,” Corrective Services said in a statement.
“Arrangements have been made for the offender to receive mental health and substance abuse counselling since her release from custody.
“It appears our staff took reasonable steps to put appropriate services in place and to make alternative accommodation arrangements.
“We could not have foreseen this shocking outcome.”



Heads need to roll.

A statement from the grandmother’s lawyers, Brooks Hall Lawyers, said Corrective Services had “a pattern … of washing their hands of any responsibility”.


So true, this has happened so many times now and no one wants to take any responsibility.

 

[BORK]

The Court has a suppression order on the identity of the mother.

Under no circumstances is anyone to start posting any details of her name, address, links to social media etx

Tostee has a borderline in his apartment, gets attacked, locks her out, within 10 seconds woman scales balcony and falls. His face and reputation ruined from day 1 in the media and his trial a circus.

This junkie with a long criminal history holds a kids head underwater(pretty established at this stage) name and face protected.

Assuming this is to do with the identity of the surviving child being kept under wraps (even though it has been posted by members of the fathers family on the gofundme page). As long as she is found guilty and rots I don't mind in this case(plus there is not a single person in the grandmothers home town who does not know who it is).

This is a suppression order that pisses me off though.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/la...l/news-story/415ec0a11d0f39bc35226a0cfdc8f298
One of the saddest stories I have read. You could be working next to that woman and have no idea.

A MUM who killed one of her twin baby girls and left the other severely disabled will not spend any time in jail.
The woman, 39, pleaded guilty to infanticide over the death of her eight-week-old daughter and recklessly causing serious injury to the baby’s sister.

Infanticide applies for mothers suffering a mental disturbance caused by childbirth, and carries a maximum jail term of five years.

She can’t be named, despite the father of the babies urging the court to lift a suppression order on her identity.

The father said he wanted the order lifted so he could talk openly about his lost daughter, who had “just disappeared”.

He also wants to raise much-needed funds for the surviving twin, he told the court in a statement.

But the Supreme Court heard that identifying the woman would not be in the best interests of her surviving children.

Justice Bernard Bongiorno refused to lift the ban on publishing the names or pictures of the woman and the twins.

The twins’ father, who was not present at two previous court hearings because he was at hospital appointments with his daughter, cried as the mother was sentenced to a community corrections order for one year.

 

[Grogg]

The Court has a suppression order on the identity of the mother.

Under no circumstances is anyone to start posting any details of her name, address, links to social media etx

The print version of today's Herald Sun has named the mother in their article on page 13, so they might find themselves in a fair bit of s**t there.

 

[_Mike_]

There are orders on the suppression of identities of the children as well

 

[Grogg]

There are orders on the suppression of identities of the children as well

They've named the surviving son as well.

Idiots.

 

[JackNah_8]

They've named the surviving son as well.

Idiots.

I saw that article.. It's too late now, the herald sun has already named the mum.

Plus we know the dad's name from the crowdfund campaign?

 

[BORK]

All the Batty tweets since this incident and the information regarding systematic failure has emerged.

 

[Kynge of Begrem]

fap fap fap

Perhaps she is waiting for due process to be followed before making any comment?

 

[TheWoodenSlug]

All the Batty tweets since this incident and the information regarding systematic failure has emerged.

To be fair, she did allude to the disparity that exists in the public and media perceptions of child killers, depending on whether the killer is male or female i.e. "how far we still have to go to reach gender equality"...

 

[SmAshmoto]

Remember that episode of Breaking Bad where Jesse ends up stuck in that house with the ice addict parents and they have a starving little boy who's clearly been abused?

This is what I envision the mother being like in this case.

The system has failed these kids.