Mourning Period for when our Queen passes away.

[Herne Hill Hammer]

Listening to Jim Maxwell tell a story about a Shield match yesterday and it being abandoned, that match was taking place in the 1936/37 season.

King George V died in 1936 and all activities were ceased and we observed a period of mourning.

Will we have a mourning period for QE11?

Would you support one or oppose it?

 

[Hornberger]

Would you support one or oppose it?

If it is declared a public holiday, I would fully support it.

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

Roylion are you familiar with protocols at all? I've had a bit of a google and there was nothing specific for Australia with regards to mourning or a mourning period that I could see.

 

[Roylion]

Roylion are you familiar with protocols at all? I've had a bit of a google and there was nothing specific for Australia with regards to mourning or a mourning period that I could see.

For ten days (from the Queen's death until her funeral) flags in Australia will be flown at half mast, except on the day of accession (the day when the new monarch is proclaimed). A flag notice will be issued immediately upon her death with these instructions.

Bells will ring at churches across Australia. The Australian Defence Force will organise several gun salutes to coincide with events in London. A book of condolences will be opened at Parliament House in Canberra.

The day of her funeral will be a national day of mourning in Australia. If not in session Parliament will meet for a condolence motion,. The Prime Minister will speak to the nation and the .Governor-General will issue an Australian proclamation of the new king’s accession, which will be the first formal public announcement of the Queen’s death in Australia. The Australian proclamation will include the king’s Australian title which will be "Charles the Third, by the Grace of God King of Australia and His other Realms and Territories, Head of the Commonwealth". Parliament must amend the Royal Style and Titles Act 1973, introduced by Gough Whitlam’s government, to establish the king’s Australian title.

When George VI died in 1952, the entrances to public buildings in Austra;ia were draped in purple and black. Ministers wore black suits and ties. Church bells tolled for one hour each day until the funeral, which was designated as a day of mourning. Theatres were asked to close and sporting fixtures were cancelled.

 

[spinynorman]

For ten days (from the Queen's death until her funeral) flags in Australia will be flown at half mast, except on the day of accession (the day when the new monarch is proclaimed). A flag notice will be issued immediately upon her death with these instructions.

Bells will ring at churches across Australia. The Australian Defence Force will organise several gun salutes to coincide with events in London. A book of condolences will be opened at Parliament House in Canberra.

The day of her funeral will be a national day of mourning in Australia. If not in session Parliament will meet for a condolence motion,. The Prime Minister will speak to the nation and the .Governor-General will issue an Australian proclamation of the new king’s accession, which will be the first formal public announcement of the Queen’s death in Australia. The Australian proclamation will include the king’s Australian title which will be "Charles the Third, by the Grace of God King of Australia and His other Realms and Territories, Head of the Commonwealth". Parliament must amend the Royal Style and Titles Act 1973, introduced by Gough Whitlam’s government, to establish the king’s Australian title.

When George VI died in 1952, the entrances to public buildings in Austra;ia were draped in purple and black. Ministers wore black suits and ties. Church bells tolled for one hour each day until the funeral, which was designated as a day of mourning. Theatres were asked to close and sporting fixtures were cancelled.

Well that all sounds pretty stupid and as good an argument as any for us to become a Republic.

 

[Roylion]

Well that all sounds pretty stupid and as good an argument as any for us to become a Republic.

Thanks for that.

 

[Simple Jack]

Parliament must amend the Royal Style and Titles Act 1973, introduced by Gough Whitlam’s government, to establish the king’s Australian title.

Any idea what happens/the implications if they don't?

 

[Schneebly11]

For ten days (from the Queen's death until her funeral) flags in Australia will be flown at half mast, except on the day of accession (the day when the new monarch is proclaimed). A flag notice will be issued immediately upon her death with these instructions.

Bells will ring at churches across Australia. The Australian Defence Force will organise several gun salutes to coincide with events in London. A book of condolences will be opened at Parliament House in Canberra.

The day of her funeral will be a national day of mourning in Australia. If not in session Parliament will meet for a condolence motion,. The Prime Minister will speak to the nation and the .Governor-General will issue an Australian proclamation of the new king’s accession, which will be the first formal public announcement of the Queen’s death in Australia. The Australian proclamation will include the king’s Australian title which will be "Charles the Third, by the Grace of God King of Australia and His other Realms and Territories, Head of the Commonwealth". Parliament must amend the Royal Style and Titles Act 1973, introduced by Gough Whitlam’s government, to establish the king’s Australian title.

When George VI died in 1952, the entrances to public buildings in Austra;ia were draped in purple and black. Ministers wore black suits and ties. Church bells tolled for one hour each day until the funeral, which was designated as a day of mourning. Theatres were asked to close and sporting fixtures were cancelled.

And apart from those directly involved in those activities the other 99.9% of Australia will carry on with their day as if nothing happened.

Raises a question though. Before any Republic or flag or anthem change, the most obvious thing to me to change on QE11's passing is her mug on our money, because that would be a great time to introduce a new coin and note design minus the Monarch rather than have Big Ear's all over our legal tender.

 

[Roylion]

Any idea what happens/the implications if they don't?

He uses his British title in Australia.

King Charles the Third, by the Grace of God King of this Realm and of His other Realms and Territories, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith

 

[Gough]

And apart from those directly involved in those activities the other 99.9% of Australia will carry on with their day as if nothing happened.

Raises a question though. Before any Republic or flag or anthem change, the most obvious thing to me to change on QE11's passing is her mug on our money, because that would be a great time to introduce a new coin and note design minus the Monarch rather than have Big Ear's all over our legal tender.

Whatever feelings you have about the monarchy HM's death will be huge, for most of her subjects she's the only monarchy they've ever known. That alone will make it a very big deal.

 

[Roylion]

And apart from those directly involved in those activities the other 99.9% of Australia will carry on with their day as if nothing happened.

99.9% you say? Well there you go.

the most obvious thing to me to change on QE11's passing is her mug on our money, because that would be a great time to introduce a new coin and note design minus the Monarch rather than have Big Ear's all over our legal tender.

Yes ok. Contact the Australian government with your suggestion.

 

[Roylion]

Whatever feelings you have about the monarchy HM's death will be a huge deal, for most of her subjects she's the only monarchy they've ever known. That alone will make it a very big deal.

The Queen's death, funeral and the subsquent coronation of the Prince of Wales will be massive events. Far bigger than Diana's death and funeral.

 

[Schneebly11]

Whatever feelings you have about the monarchy HM's death will be huge, for most of her subjects she's the only monarchy they've ever known. That alone will make it a very big deal.

It'll be huge in the media. And for Monarchists in oz. But for the average Australian I doubt whether they would do more than watch highlights of the funeral on TV or make a FB post. I doubt whether we'll be holding public memorial gatherings that will be attended by hundreds of thousands or wearing of black attire in public or closing of businesses.

 

[Schneebly11]

The Queen's death, funeral and the subsquent coronation of the Prince of Wales will be massive events. Far bigger than Diana's death and funeral.

In Australian public consciousness? Really? To how much of a standstill will Australia, not the UK, come to when she croaks? Mass public mourning events? Compulsory black attire? Closure of businesses and cancellation of events?

 

[Roylion]

In Australian public consciousness? Really? To how much of a standstill will Australia, not the UK, come to when she croaks?

I've told you what will happen above.

Mass public mourning events? Compulsory black attire? Closure of businesses and cancellation of events?

Did I say that above?

There certainly will be wall to wall coverage in Australia on TV, online and radio. The funeral will be live on most Australian channels and millions will watch. An estimated world-wide television audience for Diana's funeral was 2.5 billion people. Diana's funeral remains the most watched TV broadcast in Australian TV history (broadcast on Channels 9, 7, 10 and ABC). (ACNielsen). The second most watched Australian TV broadcast was the wedding of Diana and Prince Charles in 1981. In 2011 the wedding of Prince William and Kate Middleton attracted 6 million Australian viewers and remains the highest rating TV broadcast in Australia in the 21st century.

 

[Schneebly11]

I've told you what will happen above.

No, I'd like to know how much you think ordinary Australian society will come to a standstill, not lowered flags or occasional cannon firings. Will businesses, shops, cinemas, theatres, sporting events, schools, non essential employment, be closed or called off? Will people observe a minute's silence in all public places? Will people wear black attire on the day?

Or will most Australians jsut watch a highlights clip on the news and then go about their daily business otherwise with a large proportion of people openly saying "who gives a f**k"?, especially considering we've gone from about 90% Anglo Saxon ancestry in 1950 to less than 50% today?

 

[Roylion]

No, I'd like to know how much you think ordinary Australian society will come to a standstill, not lowered flags or occasional cannon firings. Will businesses, shops, cinemas, theatres, sporting events, schools, non essential employment, be closed or called off? Will people observe a minute's silence in all public places? Will people wear black attire on the day?

No idea.

The last time a reigning monarch of Australia died was in 1952, nearly 70 years ago. How the Australian government will observe the event is outlined above. There are no plans at this stage for the Federal governent to declare businesses, shops, cinemas, theatres, sporting events, schools, non essential employment closed. That's a decision for the individual states in any case and will be largely detemined by the political persuasion of the party in government. More conservative state governments might mark the occasion with more signifcant official observances.

What the Australian public will do or how they will observe is largely unknown. However the involvement is likely to be less than what it would have been in 1952. However regardless of how the public are actually personaly involved, the event of the Queen's death and funeral will still be enormous. She's been the Queen of Australia for close to 70 years.

Or will most Australians jsut watch a highlights clip on the news and then go about their daily business otherwise with a large proportion of people openly saying "who gives a f**k"?, especially considering we've gone from about 90% Anglo Saxon ancestry in 1950 to less than 50% today?

No idea.

 

[Groucho]

Minus 10 seconds

 

[The Passenger]

Raises a question though. Before any Republic or flag or anthem change, the most obvious thing to me to change on QE11's passing is her mug on our money, because that would be a great time to introduce a new coin and note design minus the Monarch rather than have Big Ear's all over our legal tender.

Just realised it won't be long till we have chazza's weird inbred* head on our coins. * that will be weird.

*I don't mind Chaz but you can't deny his head is weird and his parents are related.

 

[mighty tiges]

LOL at "our Queen". These foreign "royals" are not Australians and do nothing for Australia.

Anyway here's article about the topic: https://www.businessinsider.com.au/what-happens-when-queen-elizabeth-ii-dies-king-charles-2018-6

By the way, what an archaic proclamation especially this line: "... to whom Her lieges do acknowledge all Faith and constant Obedience with hearty and humble Affection, beseeching God by whom Kings and Queens do reign ...". Draconian, hideous and cringeworthy Trump-like nonsense .

Interesting to see if any federal MPs who want our own Australian head of state will refuse to swear allegiance to the new imposed foreigner "monarch".

 

[Ned_Flanders]

BAU, couldn't give a * if I tried

 

[Admiral Byng]

For ten days (from the Queen's death until her funeral) flags in Australia will be flown at half mast, except on the day of accession (the day when the new monarch is proclaimed). A flag notice will be issued immediately upon her death with these instructions.

Bells will ring at churches across Australia. The Australian Defence Force will organise several gun salutes to coincide with events in London. A book of condolences will be opened at Parliament House in Canberra.

The day of her funeral will be a national day of mourning in Australia. If not in session Parliament will meet for a condolence motion,. The Prime Minister will speak to the nation and the .Governor-General will issue an Australian proclamation of the new king’s accession, which will be the first formal public announcement of the Queen’s death in Australia. The Australian proclamation will include the king’s Australian title which will be "Charles the Third, by the Grace of God King of Australia and His other Realms and Territories, Head of the Commonwealth". Parliament must amend the Royal Style and Titles Act 1973, introduced by Gough Whitlam’s government, to establish the king’s Australian title.

When George VI died in 1952, the entrances to public buildings in Austra;ia were draped in purple and black. Ministers wore black suits and ties. Church bells tolled for one hour each day until the funeral, which was designated as a day of mourning. Theatres were asked to close and sporting fixtures were cancelled.

Since gaining full independence in 1986, all of this stuff no longer necessarily applies in Australia. We are free to make up whatever new procedures we like, including doing bugger all, to mark the occasion.

The coronation service of the Prince of Wales arguably has no legal effect in Australia either. There is nothing in our Constitution which confers the right of ceremony to a foreign arch-bishop to pass on the Australian crown to the next person in line.

 

[Roylion]

Since gaining full independence in 1986, all of this stuff no longer necessarily applies in Australia. We are free to make up whatever new procedures we like, including doing bugger all, to mark the occasion.

Of course we can. However the above is what the Australian government is planning to do when the Queen dies.

The coronation service of the Prince of Wales arguably has no legal effect in Australia either.

None at all. The Prince of Wales automatically becomes the King of Australia the moment his mother dies. Australian constitutional law provides that the monarch of the United Kingdom is also the monarch of Australia. The Accession Council proclaims the new monarch the day after the death of the old. The Australian high commissioner is part of the Accession Council. The Governor-General will then issue an Australian proclamation of the new king’s accession, which will be the first formal public announcement of the Queen’s death in Australia. The Australian proclamation will include the King’s Australian title which will likely be "Charles the Third, by the Grace of God King of Australia and His other Realms and Territories, Head of the Commonwealth".

There is nothing in our Constitution which confers the right of ceremony to a foreign arch-bishop to pass on the Australian crown to the next person in line.

Since 1937 (the coronation of George VI), the monarch has been simultaneously crowned as sovereign of several independent nations besides the United Kingdom. Elizabeth II was asked at her coronation, for example: "Will you solemnly promise and swear to govern the Peoples of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, the Union of South Africa, Pakistan and Ceylon, and of your Possessions and other Territories to any of them belonging or pertaining, according to their respective laws and customs?"

 

[Admiral Byng]

Of course we can. However the above is what the Australian government is planning to do when the Queen dies.



None at all. The Prince of Wales automatically becomes the King of Australia the moment his mother dies. Australian constitutional law provides that the monarch of the United Kingdom is also the monarch of Australia. The Accession Council proclaims the new monarch the day after the death of the old. The Australian high commissioner is part of the Accession Council.



Since 1937 (the coronation of George VI), the monarch has been simultaneously crowned as sovereign of several independent nations besides the United Kingdom. Elizabeth II was asked, for example: "Will you solemnly promise and swear to govern the Peoples of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, the Union of South Africa, Pakistan and Ceylon, and of your Possessions and other Territories to any of them belonging or pertaining, according to their respective laws and customs?"

Good.

We should break with tradition and ask for Australia to be removed from the last paragraph. The Australian Federal parliament should pass a motion to adopt the resolution of the Accession Council, and leave it at that. Maybe the minister for Foreign Affairs can attend the coronation as an observoer, just like the ambassadors of Russia, China, the USA and Japan will no doubt also be doing.

 

[Roylion]

Good.

We should break with tradition and ask for Australia to be removed from the last paragraph. The Australian Federal parliament should pass a motion to adopt the resolution of the Accession Council, and leave it at that. Maybe the minister for Foreign Affairs can attend the coronation as an observoer, just like the ambassadors of Russia, China, the USA and Japan will no doubt also be doing.

Yes ok. Contact the Australian government with your suggestion.