Rumour Multiple GWS players are set to be suspended to start the 2025 season after distasteful costumes and skits from their post-season function

[Bostonian]

Maybe you learned these things from your parents? Teachers? Someone at your first job took you under their wing and gave you some advice?

I learned from my elders that offence is taken, not given.

 

[iameviljez]

I learned from my elders that offence is taken, not given.

Yes, offence is taken, but there's also decent question of whether that offence is reasonable or not. If someone goes around shouting racist abuse, then yes, offence is taken, but the offence is more than reasonable to take.

 

[Bostonian]

Yes, offence is taken, but there's also decent question of whether that offence is reasonable or not. If someone goes around shouting racist abuse, then yes, offence is taken, but the offence is more than reasonable to take.

Well in 2024 people are often crying racist when there's nothing "race" based about what was said.

 

[iameviljez]

Well in 2024 people are often crying racist when there's nothing "race" based about what was said.

That's not really relevant to my point in this case.

 

[RonnieRaven]

Footballers are just about the worst of the worst when it comes to dealing with drunk idiots as a hospo worker. Call it pack mentality or whatever

Gym junkies and all codes of football/rugby were horrible when I was in the game.
Worked at a spirit bar in fortitude valley and the riverside bar in Alice Springs.
The respect shown to me was 10 fold in Alice Springs to some of the fart sniffers I encountered in the valley

 

[iameviljez]

Footballers are just about the worst of the worst when it comes to dealing with drunk idiots as a hospo worker. Call it pack mentality or whatever

Part of it is pack mentality, part of it is the 'work hard play hard' culture, part of it is being one of the few single-gender workplaces left in 2024

 

[Aussie in exile]

I say again that time to except that most footballers are dumb as dog #### and move on.

 

[Happy_Neale]

Gym junkies and all codes of football/rugby were horrible when I was in the game.
Worked at a spirit bar in fortitude valley and the riverside bar in Alice Springs.
The respect shown to me was 10 fold in Alice Springs to some of the fart sniffers I encountered in the valley

Brisbane would be a nightmare to work in for that reason. I was in the other northern suburbs of Melbourne (think underbelly regions) and honestly the criminals and bikies that used to come in weekly never caused any trouble at all. The only time the place would get trashed or we would have to cut people off was bucks nights and groups of footy lads. Absolute clowns most of the time

 

[iameviljez]

Brisbane would be a nightmare to work in for that reason. I was in the other northern suburbs of Melbourne (think underbelly regions) and honestly the criminals and bikies that used to come in weekly never caused any trouble at all. The only time the place would get trashed or we would have to cut people off was bucks nights and groups of footy lads. Absolute clowns most of the time

Fortitude Valley would be, yeah. The rest of Brissie, fairly easy.

Same as Chapel Street in Melbourne.

Crims and bikies tend to be ok, because they don't want police attention for little things.

 

[GhostofJimJess]

Footballers are just about the worst of the worst when it comes to dealing with drunk idiots as a hospo worker. Call it pack mentality or whatever

Cops have got them well covered, but AFL players still in second place.

 

[Fizza]

I'll put my hand up, at first I didn't fully understand it. I didn't understand the blow up/criticism, I've always been against, obviously, dv, and women getting treated terribly. But I'll he honest two things hit me recently, one, listened to SEN, from Friday with Kane and Sam, and one of the callers literally broke my heart with how she spoke. Second thing I met someone recently who went through DV. It's not a joke, when you hear people who've been something like that, it's not alright.

 

[Chief]

Well in 2024 people are often crying racist when there's nothing "race" based about what was said.

What was it that got you into trouble?

 

[GhostofJimJess]

Well in 2024 people are often crying racist when there's nothing "race" based about what was said.

And people are often crying DEI when there's nothing DEI-driven about a particular appointment.

Sometimes people just get jobs.

 

[Sainter3and7]

I lived in America around 9/11 and met people who were affected. I talked to one woman who'd walked over the rubble, and she was pretty sure that she heard groans and other noises from people about 5 or 10 feet under where she was walking. I thought the 9/11 reference (which most people tend to look over) was quite rank. But I suppose, it's stupid, offensive and not funny, but not something I'd expect someone to lose wages over. Lose respect, yeah. But not being able to work is about the most severe penalty you can get (outside of the criminal justice system). I thought that was extreme.

 

[Gethelred]

Drunk?
If they're drunk they fall under RSA and should have been cut off, yeah?

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Do you have any idea how obviously drunk you have to be to get cut off these days?

 

[PenfoldsFan]

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Do you have any idea how obviously drunk you have to be to get cut off these days?

That depends how you're acting and how tolerant management is.
I've seen it used to settle people, simply suggesting it can be enough to pull people up, and what are they going to say to counter it should it come to security or Police intervention?
"My portrayal of sexual abuse should be all good officer."

Please.

 

[Gethelred]

That depends how you're acting and how tolerant management is.
I've seen it used to settle people, simply suggesting it can be enough to pull people up, and what are they going to say to counter it should it come to security or Police intervention?
"My portrayal of sexual abuse should be all good officer."

Please.

My experience of RTA laws governing intoxication is that they are - in most venues - near completely non-existent. Venues make their money from alcohol sales; to cut someone off is to work against their business interests, regardless of what the law says.

I don't disagree with you about the skits.

 

[PenfoldsFan]

My experience of RTA laws governing intoxication is that they are - in most venues - near completely non-existent. Venues make their money from alcohol sales; to cut someone off is to work against their business interests, regardless of what the law says.

I don't disagree with you about the skits.

Then wouldnt you say, to favour business interest(takings) over decency and upholding minimum standards, is hipocritical, if you're then going to cry that you dont like what you've allowed by standing bye idly in the name of said business interest?

As I said before, happy to take their money and then whinge after the fact.

 

[Gethelred]

Then wouldnt you say, to favour business interest(takings) over decency and upholding minimum standards, is hipocritical, if you're then going to cry that you dont like what you've allowed by standing bye idly in the name of said business interest?

As I said before, happy to take their money and then whinge after the fact.

First of all, it's hypocritical.

Second, being hypocritical doesn't render one's argument incorrect: pointing out that hard enforcement by licenced venues of RSA cutoff law would result in much lower revenue - the degree of which would be unknown, but drunk people generally want to buy more and more expensive drinks - is just pointing out the facts. There's also a profound difficulty in enforcing these laws; about all you could do is have an external officer paid by someone else (government?) to attend these places and ensure that liquor licencing laws are upheld; you willing to pay more taxes to pay for someone whose job is literally being the fun police?

Secondly, a business has a right to enforce their own standards under law. They also have the right to decide what is permitted on their premises as the owners of property. If you wanted to have a bonfire in the middle of a private room to toast marshmellows you're going to find yourself getting escorted off premises, regardless of the level of preparation you have undertaken to prevent property damage.

It seems to me that what you're really taking issue with is property law. Every single stage of this is well within the business' rights to determine what conduct is permitted on their property. Pointing out that they might've been on the edge of being cut off is a) arguing about something not in evidence, b) even if it is assumed is something that is next to unavoidable within the context, and c) doesn't mean that the players aren't responsible for what they say.

At the bottom of this page is this phrase:

Think before you post.

You are the publisher of your words. You could be held personally liable for what you post here or on any other platform.

Do you think that your being inebriated means you are no longer personally liable for what you say on BF?

 

[PenfoldsFan]

First of all, it's hypocritical.

Second, being hypocritical doesn't render one's argument incorrect: pointing out that hard enforcement by licenced venues of RSA cutoff law would result in much lower revenue - the degree of which would be unknown, but drunk people generally want to buy more and more expensive drinks - is just pointing out the facts. There's also a profound difficulty in enforcing these laws; about all you could do is have an external officer paid by someone else (government?) to attend these places and ensure that liquor licencing laws are upheld; you willing to pay more taxes to pay for someone whose job is literally being the fun police?

Secondly, a business has a right to enforce their own standards under law. They also have the right to decide what is permitted on their premises as the owners of property. If you wanted to have a bonfire in the middle of a private room to toast marshmellows you're going to find yourself getting escorted off premises, regardless of the level of preparation you have undertaken to prevent property damage.

It seems to me that what you're really taking issue with is property law. Every single stage of this is well within the business' rights to determine what conduct is permitted on their property. Pointing out that they might've been on the edge of being cut off is a) arguing about something not in evidence, b) even if it is assumed is something that is next to unavoidable within the context, and c) doesn't mean that the players aren't responsible for what they say.

At the bottom of this page is this phrase:

Do you think that your being inebriated means you are no longer personally liable for what you say on BF?

Lol, completely missing the point.

You dont need to universally enforce RSA law or employ people to police it.
All they needed to do in THIS instance is have the Shift Manager have a quiet word in the ear of one of the senior patrons of the group and say, my staff and I aren't impressed with the topic/s being portrayed and feel that adults only conduct themselves like that, in their experience as licensed venue operators, when their judgement is clouded by excessive consumption of alcohol and may need to refuse service unless they clean it up.

The ball is then in the groups court, pull up or go without.
Should they question it, the Manager is well within their rights to request a Police presence at which point any benefit of the doubt for the patrons goes out the window when the nature of the conduct is exposed.
We both know it wouldn't get to that stage, so there is no lost revenue etc. as the group wouldnt want their 'private' gathering exposed.

Thats it, there is no AFL involvement, no need to be seen to be 'taking a stand', no additional people offended, no kids asking what its all about.

But you do you.

 

[Gethelred]

Lol, completely missing the point.

You dont need to universally enforce RSA law or employ people to police it.
All they needed to do in THIS instance is have the Shift Manager have a quiet word in the ear of one of the senior patrons of the group and say, my staff and I aren't impressed with the topic/s being portrayed and feel that adults only conduct themselves like that, in their experience as licensed venue operators, when their judgement is clouded by excessive consumption of alcohol and may need to refuse service unless they clean it up.

The ball is then in the groups court, pull up or go without.
Should they question it, the Manager is well within their rights to request a Police presence at which point any benefit of the doubt for the patrons goes out the window when the nature of the conduct is exposed.
We both know it wouldn't get to that stage, so there is no lost revenue etc. as the group wouldnt want their 'private' gathering exposed.

Thats it, there is no AFL involvement, no need to be seen to be 'taking a stand', no additional people offended, no kids asking what its all about.

But you do you.

You're not disputing that they absolutely have the right to react to this the way they did, just that you disagree with how they chose to exercise that right?

That's really rather silly. Your complaint is - still - with the rights of property owners, which is why this take comes off as genuinely absurd as it does.

 

[PenfoldsFan]

You're not disputing that they absolutely have the right to react to this the way they did, just that you disagree with how they chose to exercise that right?

That's really rather silly. Your complaint is - still - with the rights of property owners, which is why this take comes off as genuinely absurd as it does.

They can do as they like, but allowing it to continue and then complaining about it after the fact is absolutely hypocritical when they have the means to not only stop it, but prevent it becoming bigger than it did.
It will probably cost them more in revenue for how they've chosen to deal with it.
They probably didnt think the AFL would make it public to cover their own srses and should stand as a warning to other venues.

 

[iameviljez]

You dont need to universally enforce RSA law or employ people to police it.
All they needed to do in THIS instance is have the Shift Manager have a quiet word in the ear of one of the senior patrons of the group and say, my staff and I aren't impressed with the topic/s being portrayed and feel that adults only conduct themselves like that, in their experience as licensed venue operators, when their judgement is clouded by excessive consumption of alcohol and may need to refuse service unless they clean it up.

The issue wasn't the alcohol. These skits were pretty clearly pre-planned.

 

[PenfoldsFan]

The issue wasn't the alcohol. These skits were pretty clearly pre-planned.

Where have I said the issue was the alcohol?

All I said was they could have threatened to cut them off unless they pulled their heads in, a lever they have at their discretion to deal with dickheads.
They didn't need to employ anyone special and they didn't need to seek legal advice, they simply had to say that's not on and we aren't serving you until you behave like responsible patrons.

Pretty bloody simple really, only they chose to allow it to continue and then cry about it after the fact.

That is hypocrisy.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Now they've suspended an Unpire for dressing up as Bin Laden.

Lol **** me dead. The two things I really really want to see from the AFL are it's legal advice regarding concussions and whatever woke PR policy they have adopted regarding this stuff. Would love to laugh at who was brain-dead enough to come up with each of those.