Social Mumford and "Recreational" Drugs

[Ned Ryerson]

Question, would you care if your kids teacher was a drug addict?

Would depend what drugs and if it was affecting their profession. This is not a black and white issue.

If they were an ice addict and were high while teaching and it was having a detrimental impact on the kids - then yeah I would be concerned.

If they did blow every weekend in their downtime but got their s**t together come Monday and were otherwise doing their job satisfactorily - I wouldn't care.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

Understand. I am not sure snorting lines of coke should be an acceptable recreational activity, though. The term socially acceptable should be thrown in there somewhere. Sort of like saying I vandalise cars for pleasure and that makes it a recreational activity. Not socially acceptable.

Is viagra performance enhancing or recreational? By definition, recreation is an activity undertaken primarily for pleasure. Seems to me that makes it a recreational drug.

Okay, you are comparing doing some coke vs vandalising private property. That is like comparing an apple and agent orange. If someone does some blow socially and it doesn't lead to them doing anything more than being chatty for an hour or so - what is the societal harm? I'd much rather live next door to a regular cocaine user than a regular car vandaliser.

 

[TazHawk15]

Is viagra performance enhancing or recreational? By definition, recreation is an activity undertaken primarily for pleasure. Seems to me that makes it a recreational drug.

I once took a viagra pill, the bloody thing got stuck in my throat.

"I had a stiff neck for a week"

 

[arupist]

Okay, you are comparing doing some coke vs vandalising private property. That is like comparing an apple and agent orange. If someone does some blow socially and it doesn't lead to them doing anything more than being chatty for an hour or so - what is the societal harm? I'd much rather live next door to a regular cocaine user than a regular car vandaliser.

1. I was not comparing snorting to vandalising. I was trying to illustrate what we can call recreation. You are drawing a long bow, here.
2. Do you truly believe that long term abuse of hard drugs will not eventually lead to societal harm?

 

[ahhhhhh]

Can't say the AFL is hard on durgs.....or law enforcement

Assume you're a 40+ white male?

 

[Ned Ryerson]

1. I was not comparing snorting to vandalising. I was trying to illustrate what we can call recreation. You are drawing a long bow, here.
2. Do you truly believe that long term abuse of hard drugs will not eventually lead to societal harm?

You are comparing casual drug use to damaging private property - not sure I would be accusing others of drawing a long bow then.

Long term abuse of alcohol and cigarettes will lead to some degree of societal harm also. Those substances are legal and heavily taxed. This is why I don't hand-wring over recreational drugs. The societal and legal view of these substances is absolutely illogical and archaic. I honestly don't care about the argument that it's illegal. So is a u-turn over a double unbroken line - but I wouldn't want players suspended or banned from the game because they do it every time they drive.

 

[arupist]

You are comparing casual drug use to damaging private property - not sure I would be accusing others of drawing a long bow then.

Long term abuse of alcohol and cigarettes will lead to some degree of societal harm also. Those substances are legal and heavily taxed. This is why I don't hand-wring over recreational drugs. The societal and legal view of these substances is absolutely illogical and archaic. I honestly don't care about the argument that it's illegal. So is a u-turn over a double unbroken line - but I wouldn't want players suspended or banned from the game because they do it every time they drive.

OK, Ned, I get it. You are quite comfortable with people snorting coke for recreation.

 

[MrPremiership]

Assume you're a 40+ white male?

no

 

[Chubberson]

Assume you're a 40+ white male?

What a load. Let me get my inter sectional oppression flow chart and see how offended I am. The guy racked up, got caught. Yeah it's not fitting behavior for an athlete of his standing but at least he pays his taxes and contributes. I'm sure he's sorry and feeling a little silly.

 

[tommyk72]

Would depend what drugs and if it was affecting their profession. This is not a black and white issue.

If they were an ice addict and were high while teaching and it was having a detrimental impact on the kids - then yeah I would be concerned.

If they did blow every weekend in their downtime but got their s**t together come Monday and were otherwise doing their job satisfactorily - I wouldn't care.

I know that I would be worried about my children’s teacher being a drug addict. But i would also be worried if my child’s teacher was an alcoholic.

I think the issue is more having an addiction which effects job performance and subsequently life outcomes of children.

I liken doing a line of coke or an ecstasy tab to drinking half a dozen drinks (standard - I’m not even talking 6 pints). It’s not something you want to do on a regular basis, but we often do silly stuff for fun.

Ice/crack/heroin is a different issue.

 

[KermitJagger]

OK, Ned, I get it. You are quite comfortable with people snorting coke for recreation.

I have no issues with it, nor would anyone else if it were legal. Most of the stigma (and risk if we're being honest) attached to illicit substances is due to the fact that they're banned. For some reason we're still allowed to drink in excess and look like lads having fun, but anything outside of the arbitrary realm of legality upsets people.

Obviously players and coaches are people who should be role models and the behaviour shouldn't be encouraged, but reality is that everyone understands that people are exactly that. People. It's exactly why no one gave a toss about Barnaby Joyce having an affair, or Kevin Rudd going to the strippers. People make mistakes and do silly things, to believe otherwise is willful ignorance.

It's hard to relate to people who haven't lived and made mistakes.

 

[Maybloomer]

Would depend what drugs and if it was affecting their profession. This is not a black and white issue.

If they were an ice addict and were high while teaching and it was having a detrimental impact on the kids - then yeah I would be concerned.

If they did blow every weekend in their downtime but got their s**t together come Monday and were otherwise doing their job satisfactorily - I wouldn't care.

If you've seen some of the primary school classrooms I've been in, I'm surprised they're not lining up the yeyo on the staffroom table at morning tea

 

[arupist]

I have no issues with it, nor would anyone else if it were legal. Most of the stigma (and risk if we're being honest) attached to illicit substances is due to the fact that they're banned. For some reason we're still allowed to drink in excess and look like lads having fun, but anything outside of the arbitrary realm of legality upsets people.

Obviously players and coaches are people who should be role models and the behaviour shouldn't be encouraged, but reality is that everyone understands that people are exactly that. People. It's exactly why no one gave a toss about Barnaby Joyce having an affair, or Kevin Rudd going to the strippers. People make mistakes and do silly things, to believe otherwise is willful ignorance.

It's hard to relate to people who haven't lived and made mistakes.

Look, I don't really care about Mumford. It is his choice. But we should all be a little more concerned that snorting coke or taking anything else is becoming a huge social issue.

How would you all feel if it was your kid?
I doubt very much you would be so blase about it.

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[eldorado]

Question, would you care if your kids teacher was a drug addict?

THAT'S NONE OF YOUR GODDAMN BUSINESS!!!












AND GET THESE BUGS OFF ME!!!!!!

 

[Slysh]

Jeez i wish some people would stop derailing this drug and Mumford thread with trade and list management talk.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

Look, I don't really care about Mumford. It is his choice. But we should all be a little more concerned that snorting coke or taking anything else is becoming a huge social issue.

How would you all feel if it was your kid?
I doubt very much you would be so blase about it.

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Why is casual use of ecstasy or coke a 'huge social issue'? That's a tad hysterical. Having seen people do some lines or pop some pills and having seen drunk people - I know who I would much rather be around while under the influence.

 

[KermitJagger]

Look, I don't really care about Mumford. It is his choice. But we should all be a little more concerned that snorting coke or taking anything else is becoming a huge social issue.

How would you all feel if it was your kid?
I doubt very much you would be so blase about it.

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If it was my kid I'd make sure he was aware of the risks and trust him to make his own decisions. I wouldn't try to smother him and warn him off drugs with every breath because that sort of conditioning encourages use more than it protects against it.

 

[Carl Spackler]

As a dog owner, I find the attitudes towards recreational drugs mind-boggling when drinking to excess is not only tolerated, but widely accepted and celebrated. People laugh and laugh at stories of past players getting a skin full and doing stupid things - but a player takes some ecstasy on the weekend and gets treated like they have assaulted someone.

Not doubting that some drugs in society are an issue (ice being one of them). However, other drugs aren't nearly as bad as alcohol and yet get treated illogically different by society and by the law. I get that they're illegal - but so is jay-walking and I am more than happy to do that every day because I am not an idiot and can manage my own safety. Personally I would rather my hypothetical kid to be doing the odd bit of ecstasy (with pill testing available) than binge drinking every weekend. I say this as someone who has dabbled with drugs maybe twice in my life and has been painfully drunk too many times to count.

Granted for footy players there are extra complexities because substances can be cut with banned PEDs and that can cause much bigger issues. Clubs should be educating their players on this front. However, if you wanted the game rid of players who indulge in the odd bit of party drugs then I think you'd see a chunk of our list disappear quite quickly.

If Mumford gets rubbed out for doing some coke a few years ago then it would be absolutely pathetic.

He didn't pop an ex, he did a line of coke that would impress Tony Montana.

 

[Carl Spackler]

Assume you're a 40+ white male?

39 years and 11 months. Therefore his point is valid and he wins.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

He didn't pop an ex, he did a line of coke that would impress Tony Montana.

Bodes well for his V02 max levels then. No wonder he is thinking about coming back.

 

[Dewnior]

If Mumford gets rubbed out for doing some coke a few years ago then it would be absolutely pathetic.

Disagree. The AFL has a set of rules and a code of conduct. Just because these were contravened 3 years ago doesn't make him exempt from punishment. Carlisle was suspended for 2 games for the exact same thing.

The sentence should be suspended in the event he returns to play footy again which i suspect he will and likely the reason the video emerged now.

Fwiw, I feel this whole story is being staged managed by the AFL or GWS or both and they are likely responsible for it going viral.

Why? Offseason is always better time for unsavoury news plus its better to serve a suspension in the opening few rounds than risk the story emerging mid season.

 

[arupist]

If it was my kid I'd make sure he was aware of the risks and trust him to make his own decisions. I wouldn't try to smother him and warn him off drugs with every breath because that sort of conditioning encourages use more than it protects against it.

Yeah, that'll work, I'm sure.

 

[Carl Spackler]

I have no issues with it, nor would anyone else if it were legal. Most of the stigma (and risk if we're being honest) attached to illicit substances is due to the fact that they're banned. For some reason we're still allowed to drink in excess and look like lads having fun, but anything outside of the arbitrary realm of legality upsets people.

Obviously players and coaches are people who should be role models and the behaviour shouldn't be encouraged, but reality is that everyone understands that people are exactly that. People. It's exactly why no one gave a toss about Barnaby Joyce having an affair, or Kevin Rudd going to the strippers. People make mistakes and do silly things, to believe otherwise is willful ignorance.

It's hard to relate to people who haven't lived and made mistakes.

Not true. I would.

Also, narcotics are not bad for you because they are banned, they are banned because they are bad for you. To argue that narcotics usage is all fine and only an issue because of societal stigma naively ignores the damage and death that these chemicals plague upon individuals and society. You can argue that it's a good thing to increase access to narcotics, but despite all the effort made today the suffering from drug use is utterly tragic. Increasing that suffering in service of pithy arguments crouched in the language of Libertarianism has real consequences, moral for those that make it and tragic for those that suffer from it.

 

[arupist]

Why is casual use of ecstasy or coke a 'huge social issue'? That's a tad hysterical. Having seen people do some lines or pop some pills and having seen drunk people - I know who I would much rather be around while under the influence.

It's OK, Ned. You have your opinion. Hope it holds you in good stead when it knocks on your front door.

 

[eldorado]

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