Current Murder Suicide? Mother & 3 Kids Die In Tullamarine

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There haven't been many studies done on suicide by self stabbing because it's so rare. Of all suicide attempts only 1 - 3% are by self stabbing and then, they rarely result in actual death.

No suicide note either it seems.

Noted the police have been careful to state what they have is a preliminary finding, the coroner's going to have to try and figure out exactly what happened.
 

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There haven't been many studies done on suicide by self stabbing because it's so rare. Of all suicide attempts only 1 - 3% are by self stabbing and then, they rarely result in actual death.

No suicide note either it seems.

Noted the police have been careful to state what they have is a preliminary finding, the coroner's going to have to try and figure out exactly what happened.
yeah I'm surprised everyone on here is taking the Police's preliminary opinion at face value. I was getting the vibe that they are happy for the husband to go on his way, but will be keeping a close eye on him.

The police and media are being super weird with this one...
 

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There haven't been many studies done on suicide by self stabbing because it's so rare. Of all suicide attempts only 1 - 3% are by self stabbing and then, they rarely result in actual death.

No suicide note either it seems.

Noted the police have been careful to state what they have is a preliminary finding, the coroner's going to have to try and figure out exactly what happened.
The one in Qld who torched his estranged wife and kids in a car stabbed himself.
 

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yeah I'm surprised everyone on here is taking the Police's preliminary opinion at face value. I was getting the vibe that they are happy for the husband to go on his way, but will be keeping a close eye on him.

The police and media are being super weird with this one...
whys that? police have confirmed it was the mother? they don't release all info but from the start it appeared that way, didnt handcuff him etc.
the father was likely at work or out etc and alibi confirmed, there is no doubt at all the mother did it.
 

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whys that? police have confirmed it was the mother? they don't release all info but from the start it appeared that way, didnt handcuff him etc.
the father was likely at work or out etc and alibi confirmed, there is no doubt at all the mother did it.
yeah maybe it's just my innate biases. I don't think the cops have confirmed anything from these comments:
'We just need to understand the facts, and unfortunately they're not known to us but will be in the fullness of time,' he said. 'We have a long way to go before we can actually understand and appreciate what occurred.'

It must have been a baffling crime scene, and if what was said in this thread above, that it was apparently a self-stabbing without suicide note, you can understand the police comments.
 

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yeah I'm surprised everyone on here is taking the Police's preliminary opinion at face value. I was getting the vibe that they are happy for the husband to go on his way, but will be keeping a close eye on him.

The police and media are being super weird with this one...
Forensics can almost always distinguish self-inflicted stab wounds from those caused by an attacker.
 

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whys that? police have confirmed it was the mother? they don't release all info but from the start it appeared that way, didnt handcuff him etc.
the father was likely at work or out etc and alibi confirmed, there is no doubt at all the mother did it.
FWIW, offenders don't always get handcuffed. A risk assessment is sometimes done. It depends on the Police officer(s) involved, depends on the situation, etc.
 

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FWIW, offenders don't always get handcuffed. A risk assessment is sometimes done. It depends on the Police officer(s) involved, depends on the situation, etc.
Understand that but was replying to a guy who was saying the husband could still be the killer, and i would think if police suspected you just murdered 4 people you would be handcuffed.
 

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I remember in the days following that there were opinion pieces everywhere about stopping domestic violence, gendered violence etc.

This incident: crickets.
That might be because there is no history of domestic or gendered violence to be seen here yet! None. Nobody understands what happened or why.

The man who torched his family in front of witnesses on a public street had a very troubled and documented history.
 

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That might be because there is no history of domestic or gendered violence to be seen here yet! None. Nobody understands what happened or why.

The man who torched his family in front of witnesses on a public street had a very troubled and documented history.
Is there a particular reason you seem to be jumping on any opinion that remotely aligns with a female being accused of perpetrating a horrific crime and it being spoken of accordingly?

Women do sh*t things too you know and the police have said as much so far
 

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Is there a particular reason you seem to be jumping on any opinion that remotely aligns with a female being accused of perpetrating a horrific crime and it being spoken of accordingly?

Women do sh*t things too you know and the police have said as much so far
Is there any particular reason you feel the need to weigh in here with this sh*t? When have I ever said or implied women don't do sh*t things?
 

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I'll be stepping out of this discussion. I'm really disappointed with the turn it's taken. Rather than expressions of support for the man left behind or an exploration of why she might have done what she did and what we could do better to spot the signs, I'm seeing posters in here I've never seen before seeming to want to exploit it.

Thanks _Mike_
 

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I'll be stepping out of this discussion. I'm really disappointed with the turn it's taken. Rather than expressions of support for the man left behind or an exploration of why she might have done what she did and what we could do better to spot the signs, I'm seeing posters in here I've never seen before seeming to want to exploit it.

Thanks _Mike_
What an absolute copout. It is a 100% legitimate discussion point and for whatever reason you have you aren't willing to allow people to discuss the gender prejudice in reporting violent crimes committed by women which is 100% live and real in this case. Any person can see it, it is relevant to the case and a valid discussion point.
 

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What an absolute copout. It is a 100% legitimate discussion point and for whatever reason you have you aren't willing to allow people to discuss the gender prejudice in reporting violent crimes committed by women

Its relevant to the case and your holier than thou rant is complete unjustified.
Ahhhhh bullshit.

You couldn't address the point of my post or the possible truth in it but went somewhere else that had no basis whatsoever.

It's Sunday and I'd like to have an easy one. The users on this site are nearly 90% men and I'm not going to pretend I fully understand or appreciate how you all might feel nor am I inclined towards being overwhelmed by a discussion on media / gender bias that in my opinion, isn't a real thing.

Go for it. Have a great day.
 

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