Murphy

[Super Hans]

Give the captaincy to Kade Simpson.

This. This times 1000. He's the only bloke in that joint who has a heart. Bleeds for the jumper, he'd be an outstanding captain.

 

[Scotland]

His leadership just looks bad cause his team is team is struggling.

Did Travis Boak's leadership look bad when you were struggling (I'm aware he wasn't captain until 2013)? How about Darren Glass when he inherited a cluster **** at WC? Does Joel Selwood's leadership look bad now Geelong are sliding?

The responsibility as captain is to lead. Marc Murphy is a good footballer, but he's not good enough to prevent Carlton from being a 1-4 side that is regularly losing by 10 goals. The questions that need to be asked are 'Is Murphy leading by example and bringing the best out of his players?' and 'If not, is there anyone else who is?'.

 

[Scotland]

Kade Simpson will be 31 next week and Carlton already have a captain.

I agree he probably should have taken over the captaincy from Judd, but do Carlton want a guy who will be 32 leading them into 2016? It's unlikely he'll play more than one or two seasons as captain - which might be good in grooming an understudy to take over - but Simpson and his leadership will be there whether he's captain or not, identifying the next guy who will lead the club for 100 games is the key.

 

[GreyWind]

Ryan Griffen mkII?

Good player in a poor team made captain by a new coach when better yet older players were more suitable.

Just need to look at the difference Bob Murphy has made as captain.

 

[jimmy35]

Insipid leader. Okay footballer on his day.

 

[Glorious couch life]

Hard to lead with zero followers.

Spot on. At least Murphy has a dip, tries to lead by example. Would have been a super player if he wasn't surrounded by squibs. There were Carlton players out there who weren't giving a yelp. I'm not sure Murphy has too much control over that.
If Judd's not the skipper of that side, I can't think of anyone else on the list who should or could do the job, besides Murphy.
Everybody else is trade bait or fringe-dwellers. On that performance I'd include Gibbs in that lot, he was insipid tonight.

 

[LeverPuller]

I'd take him at Melbourne in a heartbeat with a first rounder. Put him into the midfield replacing a Newton. Massive upgrade. Doesn't have to worry about the leadership, can just focus on his own footy.

 

[Scotland]

Ryan Griffen mkII?

Good player in a poor team made captain by a new coach when better yet older players were more suitable.

Just need to look at the difference Bob Murphy has made as captain.

Errr, what?

Griffen was made captain at age 27 coming off winning the B&F and AA selection.

There were at most half a dozen players older than him on the list, and arguably none better.

 

[GreyWind]

Errr, what?

Griffen was made captain at age 27 coming off winning the B&F and AA selection.

There were at most half a dozen players older than him on the list, and arguably none better.

All true, but Griffen was never captain material. Morris and Murphy were better suited to the role when Griff was appointed.

EDIT: Just re-read what I posted, scrap the better part.

 

[J_Moore]

It's my general belief that unless someone is a particularly outstanding leader or charismatic personality, the captaincy is usually best given to one of the most senior members in the regular best 22. Not just your best player.

 

[Magpie Since 1986]

No leadership skills. Give it to Cripps.

 

[Pie eyed]

Why would a Collingwood supporter post this thread while your game is going?

And even worse why would you feel sorry for Murphy!!!!!

You obviously missed the game.
It's one thing to put it on a player in the heat of the battle, even wrongly and for purely partisan reasons. It's common and accepted.

His game tonight was insipid, verging on disinterested.

Carlton at the moment are like a dog, already hit by one car and about to wander into the path of another.
The overwhelming reaction is to put it out of it's misery before the impact.....
When a side makes you feel that sort of sympathy you know there are real problems.
There were spectators in the crowd who would have tried harder and had more pride in the Carlton jumper than Murphy.
It's not good for the game.

 

[HTPunter]

First night I've really been 'disappointed', for lack of a better word, in Gibbs. Thought he'd been fighting an uphill battle last year and start of this one against all odds, but tonight he was dreadful, in a number of ways, including effort.

And people go on about Walker going backwards, but he's always been one of those half-assed, goes when he feels like it flanker type players. Was good in '11 and '13 but he seems to get worked out quickly.

The other solid best 22 players that are seniors are Kade Simpson & Michael Jamison. Simpson in hindsight could have been a better choice, but he isn't anymore at 31. Remember Murphy was made captain in 2013, 2012 was solid but injury-interrupted and 2011 he was a legitimate star - AFLCA MVP, B&F in a top 6 side, All-Australian...so at the time they went with a respected player who had a long way to go before retirement and could also dominate games. Simpson is a half-back flanker who would have been a stop-gap. The Dogs have shown Simpson could have been a great choice but I guess they weren't to know.
Jamison I don't know enough about - solid enough KD, but is his leadership any special? Who knows.

Murphy and Simpson are the best of a bunch devoid of enthusiasm and work-ethic. Murphy got it because he was younger.

As for his career, I wouldn't be surprised to see him end his career elsewhere. I think Adelaide would be a good fit, if they lose Dangerfield they could get Aish and Murphy in - not as much grunt but they are 2 pretty good footballers I reckon. Chuck Sloane, B.Crouch, Douglas, NVB and some other kids (Grigg, M.Crouch) and they have a great mix of experience, youth, pace, 'grunt' and 'silk'. Even better if they keep Dangerfield, and Murphy is 3rd or 4th in line. As long as Murphy is at a club where he doesn't have to get too much hard-ball and in-and-under possessions (look at his body shape/size, he's going to struggle against Fyfe, Watson, JPK types!) I think he'd flourish - not because he's mentally soft, I just think he doesn't have the physical capacity to be 'tough' and win his own ball week in, week out.

 

[sonnywalters]

Both Murphy and Gibbs are highly overrated. Neither are match winners.

Both massive front runners. They play well against the bottom 4 sides and then get involved in excessive prancing, chest puffing, high-fiving and bottom patting.
Go missing every other week.

 

[Scotland]

All true, but Griffen was never captain material. Morris and Murphy were better suited to the role when Griff was appointed.

I don't remember seeing too many people saying this at the time.

 

[sonnywalters]

No leadership skills. Give it to Cripps.

I know you are joking but the point has been made that the larger bodied mids like Cripps and Bell are going to be more robust on a weekly basis for them.

 

[ShanDog]

Murphy is very good player. Pretty rare that he can lift a team on his own shoulders though. Might have happened a couple of times in years gone by, but not this team.

Would fit in extremely well in the midfield of a top 4 club with genuine hard nuts and ball winners. Someone said before that "he is the cream on top" sort of player and I would agree. Not really a captain either. Just a really good midfielder in a really shit side.

 

[GreyWind]

I don't remember seeing too many people saying this at the time.

I'm pretty sure a few on our board were keen for Murphy or Morris, nobody was unhappy when Griffen was made captain. But in hindsight it looks like a poor choice. Similar thing here with the Marc Murphy, looked a good choice at the time but now slowly looking like a poor decision.

 

[AlibiMonday]

This. This times 1000. He's the only bloke in that joint who has a heart. Bleeds for the jumper, he'd be an outstanding captain.

Kade Simpson 0 tackles tonight. He's not the answer either.

 

[Scotland]

If Murphy is a 'cream player' then what is he really worth at the trade table?

 

[Abomination]

Both massive front runners. They play well against the bottom 4 sides and then get involved in excessive prancing, chest puffing, high-fiving and bottom patting.
Go missing every other week.

Melbourne beat Carlton last year quite comfortably.

 

[PP34]

Cotchin is far worse as a captain

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

Some people just are not captains and I think Murphy is one of them.

Great player but not a captain.

 

[sonnywalters]

Melbourne beat Carlton last year quite comfortably.

Was a general comment - no need to beat me down with detail.
Maybe Melbourne are no longer bottom 4?
Bottom four for me is Saints, Lions, Suns, Blues.

 

[Pea Nut]

Did Travis Boak's leadership look bad when you were struggling (I'm aware he wasn't captain until 2013)? How about Darren Glass when he inherited a cluster **** at WC? Does Joel Selwood's leadership look bad now Geelong are sliding?

The difference with those 3 and Murphy, is that Boak, Glass and J.Selwood would all go back with the flight of the ball, or would go in and win the hardball when it matters and when the game is on the line. You cant say the same for Murphy. (Insert Murphy jumping backwards, handballing over his shoulder gif here). None of us have knowledge of the inner workings of Carlton, so maybe through the week he has a huge influence on the group, but from what we see on the field on game day, certainly doesn't look like "leadership".