Murphy..

[hodge#15]

Watching the replay.. And call me a hater but I seriously don't understand what he brings to the team accept "leadership". Yes it's about structures but he doesn't offer any rebound or punch or take marks?

 

[Pritchard]

Seriously??

 

[hodge#15]

What did he do on Friday night? The expectations for this Bloke are so low that anything good becomes great.

 

[Hawkthorn33]

I think he will be dropped this week as theres not really a match up for him vs the pies and we will go with an extra runner in the midfield. Stratton will retain his spot and play on one of the talls with Gibbo playing as the 3rd man up.

 

[mollyfud]

Watching the replay.. And call me a hater but I seriously don't understand what he brings to the team accept "leadership". Yes it's about structures but he doesn't offer any rebound or punch or take marks?

Your a hater!

 

[Mighty P]

I thought he was serviceable on Friday night. Did what he had to, and did some good tough things on the occasion.

I say leave him in, we can't afford to drop a defender.

 

[mollyfud]

I think he will be dropped this week as theres not really a match up for him vs the pies and we will go with an extra runner in the midfield. Stratton will retain his spot and play on one of the talls with Gibbo playing as the 3rd man up.

What odds are you giving me on him being dropped? Would love a piece of it if your so sure! ;-)

Mods: Really? We don't already have a drop Murphy post already? I truly think he deserves his own board so there is a place I can totally ignore this drivel!

Molly

PS. Yes everyone is entitled to an opinion and this is mine!

 

[Davo23]

Watching the replay.. And call me a hater but I seriously don't understand what he brings to the team accept "leadership". Yes it's about structures but he doesn't offer any rebound or punch or take marks?

Hater



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[Adelaide Hawk]

Mods: Really? We don't already have a drop Murphy post already? I truly think he deserves his own board so there is a place I can totally ignore this drivel!

Agreed. It has become rather tedious. Wouldn't it be nice for some of our fans to turn their hatred towards the opposition for a change?

 

[Turly]

In the future mate, just bump one of the other 150 murphy threads

 

[Hodgepodge]

Nobody says he's a star, but he takes a small forward each week and does a good job. His disposal is generally reliable, although he had a bad one against the Swans.

 

[lickmerocks]

I have tried to stay out of all the Murphy postings as he prob reads this but Friday night was disastrous for him.

Slipped over, and went to ground too often and also set another player up with a poor high floating handball.

He points his fingers around like he is a seasoned pro. If I was playing with him I would say Thomas concentrate on getting a kick and taking the odd mark mate and stop pointing and directing.

I really think once the coaching group watch the replay he may well be in strife this week for his spot which will be difficult becasue they left him out in 08.

 

[Pritchard]

As important as Stratton too our backline. Wont be dropped and especially wont be dropped against Collingwoods forwardline.

 

[Dragz]

Why not contact the club and ask Clarko what Murphy's instructions are before deciding he's useless?

 

[mollyfud]

I have tried to stay out of all the Murphy postings as he prob reads this but Friday night was disastrous for him.

Slipped over, and went to ground too often and also set another player up with a poor high floating handball.

He points his fingers around like he is a seasoned pro. If I was playing with him I would say Thomas concentrate on getting a kick and taking the odd mark mate and stop pointing and directing.

I really think once the coaching group watch the replay he may well be in strife this week for his spot which will be difficult becasue they left him out in 08.

Probably why you aren't playing with him or coaching him really!

 

[Brown n Gold]

Watching the replay.. And call me a hater but I seriously don't understand what he brings to the team accept "leadership". Yes it's about structures but he doesn't offer any rebound or punch or take marks?

Who did Murphy play on??

 

[gohawkz1]

I have tried to stay out of all the Murphy postings as he prob reads this but Friday night was disastrous for him.

Slipped over, and went to ground too often and also set another player up with a poor high floating handball.

He points his fingers around like he is a seasoned pro. If I was playing with him I would say Thomas concentrate on getting a kick and taking the odd mark mate and stop pointing and directing.

I really think once the coaching group watch the replay he may well be in strife this week for his spot which will be difficult becasue they left him out in 08.

Like Murph, but his disposal on Friday night was poor...it was obvious and all the other Hawthorn supporters next to me thought the same...not bagging the bloke but just stating a fact...

 

[mollyfud]

Like Murph, but his disposal on Friday night was poor...it was obvious and all the other Hawthorn supporters next to me thought the same...not bagging the bloke but just stating a fact...

Fair enough. Can you list all the other guys that had poor disposal as well?

Just going on stats:
Buddy - 8 clangers - unacceptable !
Jordan Lewis - 58% DE 3 clangers - lift your game son!
Sam Mitchell - 55% DE 2 Clangers - Box hill 2nds?
Max Bailey - 44% DE 2 Clangers - Does this guys have photos of someone?

 

[The Kipster]

Who did Murphy play on??

This is not the point, Cheney in my view after the last few weeks is a far better option...is better at the contest, can spoil the ball beautifully, is better at ground level and is a 'ranga'...and we are short of our ranga obligations since Rough was injured..

 

[mollyfud]

This is not the point, Cheney in my view after the last few weeks is a far better option...is better at the contest, can spoil the ball beautifully, is better at ground level and is a 'ranga'...and we are short of our ranga obligations since Rough was injured..

haha... thought you were serious until I read the Ranga line! Good one!

 

[WatWouldCyrilDo]

Not knocking Murphy, but in terms of structure we would look much better with Lisle instead.

Shoey & Lisle - 195+
Gibbo & Stratts - 190cm
Goo & Poppy - <189cm

Much better than having 3x 190cm. PLUS lisle is much much better at reading the ball in the air than Murphy. God knows he was really good last time we played Collingwood.

This would be ideal, as Gibbo would play on the opposition's 3rd tall, which will allow him to come over the top for all the high balls (like he did against Sydney) instead of having to stand a player who is too tall for him.

 

[mollyfud]

Not knocking Murphy, by but in terms of structure we would look much better with Lisle instead.

Shoey & Lisle - 195+
Gibbo & Stratts - 190cm
Goo & Poppy - <189cm

Much better than having 3x 190cm. PLUS lisle is much much better at reading the ball in the air than Murphy. God knows he was really good last time we played Collingwood.

This would be ideal, as Gibbo would play on the opposition's 3rd tall, which will allow him to come over the top for all the high balls (like he did against Sydney) instead of having to stand a player who is too tall for him.

Murphy is an excellent reader of the ball! Is arguably best help defender if needed and isn't on the most dangerous forward (which he has been off late, apart from the Swans). Also is good against the rest midfielders. Will most likely get Swan when he plays forward.

 

[WatWouldCyrilDo]

Murphy is an excellent reader of the ball! Is arguably best help defender if needed and isn't on the most dangerous forward (which he has been off late, apart from the Swans). Also is good against the rest midfielders. Will most likely get Swan when he plays forward.

Thinking mainly in terms of team structures.

Gibbo and Stratton would be ahead of him for the mid sized defender position.

Whereas Murphy is our 3rd medium sized tall, Lisle has shown glimpses that he could be our number 1 KPD - we should back him for the future I reckon.

 

[Beandip]

I notice you didn't compare Murphy's DE against the other defenders in the side...

Stratton 100%, 0 clg, 5 spoils, 5 marks (sidenote: how good a defender is Stratts)
Birchall 83%, 2 clg, 1 spoil, 9 marks
Guerra 82%, 1 clg, 3 spoils, 2 marks
Schoenmakers 80%, 2 clg, 7 spoils, 3 marks
Gibson 70%, 2clg, 21 spoils (...wow), 8 marks

Murphy 55% (3rd lowest in the team), 2 clg, 1 spoil, 3 marks

He -can- stop a mid sized forward, great... but so can other defenders, and they can do MORE at the same time. Murphy also has the curse of having his clangers frequently result in devastating turnovers. So his DE is appalling for a defender, he killed bugger all contests and got bugger all marks and made 2 turnovers to boot.

Is doing just enough good enough? Personally I would have liked to see Cheney get more time, but unfortunately I think it's too late to bring another small-mid sized defender in. Lisle could be good, probably about as fast as Tom (who doesn't move fast at all), and can take a mark. Tough times ahead.

But I don't think Murphy's performances warrant the protection he seems to get, I do admit some people are pretty crude about it, and there is no place for that, however, I think it's fine to question his validity in the team over other defenders.

 

[mollyfud]

I notice you didn't compare Murphy's DE against the other defenders in the side...

Stratton 100%, 0 clg, 5 spoils, 5 marks (sidenote: how good a defender is Stratts)
Birchall 83%, 2 clg, 1 spoil, 9 marks
Guerra 82%, 1 clg, 3 spoils, 2 marks
Schoenmakers 80%, 2 clg, 7 spoils, 3 marks
Gibson 70%, 2clg, 21 spoils (...wow), 8 marks

Murphy 55% (3rd lowest in the team), 2 clg, 1 spoil, 3 marks

He -can- stop a mid sized forward, great... but so can other defenders, and they can do MORE at the same time. Murphy also has the curse of having his clangers frequently result in devastating turnovers. So his DE is appalling for a defender, he killed bugger all contests and got bugger all marks and made 2 turnovers to boot.

Is doing just enough good enough? Personally I would have liked to see Cheney get more time, but unfortunately I think it's too late to bring another small-mid sized defender in. Lisle could be good, probably about as fast as Tom (who doesn't move fast at all), and can take a mark. Tough times ahead.

But I don't think Murphy's performances warrant the protection he seems to get, I do admit some people are pretty crude about it, and there is no place for that, however, I think it's fine to question his validity in the team over other defenders.

The reason I didn't mention them is that we were talking (or so I thought as everyone who is hating on Murphy is telling me their not and its just facts or opinions) about poor disposal. Well, those were the poor disposes for the night. If Murphy is dropable for his poor disposal, why aren't these guys?

Again, thankfully for the Hawks, you aren't coach and a premiership one is!

The guy is in the Top 20 for Disposal Effectiveness in the league (50+ kicks)! It is a myth about his inability to use the ball! As proven by the stats that I gave! You may say that his turnovers end in goals and some do, thats what happens when you play in defense! I remember one of Gibbo's hallowers causing one on Friday, but people only care about hating on Murph! I remember pointing out in the Blues game thread that the 3 "cyritical errors that caused goals" that someone pointed out was really 1 but they said it didn't matter! Its hatery pure and simple and the sooner you all get over it the better. They guy is in the best defense we have, get over it!

Thank good for Clarko is all I have to say!