My Round 1 team

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My guess is
Robbins Bassett Kretiuk
Smith Grant Murphy
Alvey West Eagleton
Guido Bandy Harrison
Garlick Wiggins Brown

Darcy Hahn Johnson

I/C Croft Skipper Gilbee Birss
Is it 4 or 5 on the bench?


Swap Croft or Skipper for Hargrave if not ready.
McMahon - give another week in the twos
Dimma not getting enough game time to play
Power hasn't impressed greatly yet
Skipper deserves it on practice match form
Harris other defender ahead of him so far.

Others not ready

Two smaller type wingmen worry me a bit.
 

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Originally posted by Chops
My guess is
Robbins Bassett Kretiuk
Smith Grant Murphy
Alvey West Eagleton
Guido Bandy Harrison
Garlick Wiggins Brown

Darcy Hahn Johnson

I/C Croft Skipper Gilbee Birss
Is it 4 or 5 on the bench?


Swap Croft or Skipper for Hargrave if not ready.
McMahon - give another week in the twos
Dimma not getting enough game time to play
Power hasn't impressed greatly yet
Skipper deserves it on practice match form
Harris other defender ahead of him so far.

Others not ready

Two smaller type wingmen worry me a bit.
Very similar to the side I would have. Only differences would be I would have Hargrave in for Skipper, and if Crofty was fit I'd swap him with Bassett and Gilbo for the Eagle. I like the look of that half back line, would have to be close to the best in the league
 

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Originally posted by Chops
My guess is
Robbins Bassett Kretiuk
Smith Grant Murphy
Alvey West Eagleton
Guido Bandy Harrison
Garlick Wiggins Brown

Darcy Hahn Johnson

I/C Croft Skipper Gilbee Birss
Is it 4 or 5 on the bench?


Swap Croft or Skipper for Hargrave if not ready.
McMahon - give another week in the twos
Dimma not getting enough game time to play
Power hasn't impressed greatly yet
Skipper deserves it on practice match form
Harris other defender ahead of him so far.

Others not ready

Two smaller type wingmen worry me a bit.
I wouldn't have Harro in the side, his performance yesterday alone was abismal.

Dimma had more game time yesterday than both Birss and Gilbee, so i don't think your reasoning behind that is accurate. However, i do believe that Dimma will be in the side.

Don't like Alvey being on the wing. Would much rather see Gilbee on the wing and Alvey playing in the twos.
 

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Re: Re: My Round 1 team

Originally posted by Bulldog1954
Very similar to the side I would have. Only differences would be I would have Hargrave in for Skipper, and if Crofty was fit I'd swap him with Bassett and Gilbo for the Eagle. I like the look of that half back line, would have to be close to the best in the league
Not only has Skip played more than Shags, i think he's in great form - How could you possibly leave Skip out?

Bassett was great yesteray and shouldn't be left out. I would have Gilbee on the wing too, but like i said, probably for Alvey not Eagleton.
 

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Re: Re: My Round 1 team

Originally posted by Sporty Spice
I wouldn't have Harro in the side, his performance yesterday alone was abismal.

Dimma had more game time yesterday than both Birss and Gilbee, so i don't think your reasoning behind that is accurate. However, i do believe that Dimma will be in the side.

Don't like Alvey being on the wing. Would much rather see Gilbee on the wing and Alvey playing in the twos.
I thought Harro was OK. He's not a CHF but he presented himself and made a contest. I like Chops idea of having him on a forward flank.
 

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Eagleton and Alvey make your centre line look a bit wimpy and unnacountable, i reckon we would get hammered on turnovers and 1on1s.

Harrison does not take enough contested marks for my liking to be at HFF, and his kicking isnt anything to write home about. Anyone can run to the boundary for cheap kicks.

Doubt Croft will get a run, needs more fitness, give him a run in the 2s at FF?

Robbins Bassett Kretiuk
Smith Grant Murphy
Gilbee West Eagleton
Guido Bandy Skipper
Garlick Wiggins Brown

Darcy Hahn Johnson

I/C Dimma Alvey Birss Harrison


Geelong has some big boys on the ball, so Dimma could get a chance to impress.

_IF_ we break even in the middle and kick well to the forwards, I think that 6 line has a nice mix of height, crumbing and skill.

Q: how close is Harris to getting a game?
 

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I know it was only a practice match but I'm not sure some of you were at the same game. We did play against top line defence like Brisbane and did well without the ball entering the forward 50 often at all.

Our forward is small without a 3rd tall. The opposition double team our talls without one. Harrison played that role like he had been playing all his life. He is no star but presented himself and often lead the opposition to the ball. Did a lot of hard running up the ground, providing a target and with Skipper on Leppa, he took the 3rd best backman.
This is the way our forwards have to play because we don't have some like Carey at CHF to take contested marks.
Both talls need to push one at a time to bring the ball forward.

It was Old school and someone else that actually mentioned it first in the foward line structure thread.
 

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Remembering that we are playing Geelong and what they did to us in the Wiz Cup match, I would try and construct a bigger team than what we went into that match with but still try to be mindful of keeping a good running balance. I would also try and get Murphy up the field a bit because they were very good at getting him in a one on one contest on the last line of defence which is not his strength.

With that in mind:
B: Robbins Bassett Kretiuk
H: Smith Grant Hargrave
C: Murphy West Giansiracusa
H: Johnson Bandy Harrison
F: Brown Wiggins Garlick
R: Darcy Hahn Birss
I: Alvey Eagleton Dimattina Croft
E: Gilbee Harris Power

I have assumed that Croft is available and if not I would promote Harris because I like the idea of having him to play on Mooney
Dimma gets the nod from the very unlucky Gilbee because of his ability to shut out one of their midfielders. Perhaps he could be given a crack at Chapman if needed.
Hargrave is required as a starting defender because of the size of the Cats forwards like Johnson.
Birss might be a good matchup for Riccardi in defence later in the match but I would start him on the ball
Skipper comes into calculations if Bandy is not fit.

I intend to see the boys in the intra club game which should be a good guide to final line-up
 

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B: Birss Bassett Kretiuk
HB: Smith Grant Hargrave
C: R. Murphy West Giansiracusa
HF: Robbins Bandy Harrison
F: Wiggins Brown Garlick
R: Darcy Hahn Johnson


One of: Eagleton Dimattina Gilbee Alvey

will miss out so that

one of: Croft Skipper Harris adds some height.

Because:
Grant - Mooney
Bassett - Kingsley
Kretiuk or Hargrave - S. Johnson
? - McCarthy

Although Croft isn't match fit, it is unlikely McCarthy will get much game time so start Crofty on the bench?
 

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Originally posted by jim440
B: Birss Bassett Kretiuk
HB: Smith Grant Hargrave
C: R. Murphy West Giansiracusa
HF: Robbins Bandy Harrison
F: Wiggins Brown Garlick
R: Darcy Hahn Johnson

One of: Eagleton Dimattina Gilbee Alvey

will miss out so that

one of: Croft Skipper Harris adds some height.

Because:
Grant - Mooney
Bassett - Kingsley
Kretiuk or Hargrave - S. Johnson
? - McCarthy

Although Croft isn't match fit, it is unlikely McCarthy will get much game time so start Crofty on the bench?
We are pretty close on this one Jim although I do like your idea of Johnson as the starting onballer. The forward line does still appear a good one.
 

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Sporty, care to make a bet that Skip doesn't play round 1? These are the best sort of bets, because seeing its the internet no paying will be done. If Skip plays I will make my avatar Paul Dimattina for a month, if he doesn't you make your avatar one K. Hunter for a week. And neither of us can mention in our titles or sigs anything about why our avatars are what they are. You on biatch? :cool:
 

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Originally posted by Bulldog1954
Sporty, care to make a bet that Skip doesn't play round 1? These are the best sort of bets, because seeing its the internet no paying will be done. If Skip plays I will make my avatar Paul Dimattina for a month, if he doesn't you make your avatar one K. Hunter for a week. And neither of us can mention in our titles or sigs anything about why our avatars are what they are. You on biatch? :cool:
Done and Done little biatch :)
 

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Originally posted by Chops
My guess is
Robbins Bassett Kretiuk
Smith Grant Murphy
Alvey West Eagleton
Guido Bandy Harrison
Garlick Wiggins Brown

Darcy Hahn Johnson

I/C Croft Skipper Gilbee Birss
Is it 4 or 5 on the bench?


Swap Croft or Skipper for Hargrave if not ready.
McMahon - give another week in the twos
Dimma not getting enough game time to play
Power hasn't impressed greatly yet
Skipper deserves it on practice match form
Harris other defender ahead of him so far.

Others not ready

Two smaller type wingmen worry me a bit.
Close enough Chops.
Hargrave has to play. He is in our top 6 backmen.
I would also like Skipper on the bench. I was impressed with the way he presented himself on Saturday.
 
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I am not a Harrison fan mainly because he is too slow in the legs and brain for his decision making. Yet....

I have always thought he was a better forward and his first year at the club he played HFF and that was by far his best year.

Therefore while he is still on the list play him up forward where at least he does present himself, and can mark on the lead. He simple cannot keep up leg speed wise in the backline.
 

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Changed my mind a bit.

Hargrave in defence, Murphy on the wing and Eagleton on the bench.

Think we need as much experience as possible in the middle as Geelong have a great ruck, and their young midfielders and bigger than ours.

In the end we'll do well if we hit targets and don't overuse the ball.
 

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Originally posted by Chops

In the end we'll do well if we hit targets and don't overuse the ball.
It is imperative that we use the ball efficiently and to carry out the Rohde theme of being acountable in the midfield.
The Cats can hurt us quickly if we do not execute the game plan well
 

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Absolutely slaughtered us in the middle and at stopages. Back line was under siege all day and the forward line starved.

What does 'getting numbers behind the ball' mean? Does it mean when the hard ball getter in a pack has plenty of friends behind him so they can handball backwards out of trouble? Geelong did that a lot of times against us, and then when we got the ball and tried to move forward from the pack, all those guys 'behind the ball' were in front of our guys preventing run.
 

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Originally posted by Chops
Changed my mind a bit.

Hargrave in defence, Murphy on the wing and Eagleton on the bench.

Think we need as much experience as possible in the middle as Geelong have a great ruck, and their young midfielders and bigger than ours.

In the end we'll do well if we hit targets and don't overuse the ball.
Any changes to your original team yet Chops ?
Not long to go now :)
 
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Apologies for again infiltrating your board, but i wanted to ask a quick question.

Who do you guys see as your potential small defenders? Most of you have listed guys like Smith, Murphy and Robbins in those roles.

I consider each of those three attacking, creative players, rather then tight checking defenders. Is that assumption a fair one?

We Geelong fans think our small goalkickers can be pretty potent, the four pronged attack of Riccardi, Ablett, Lord and Chapman have the potential to kick 9-10 between them (averaged 7 between them last year).

You could perhaps get away with a loose defender on the likes of Lord and Ablett, but if you give Chappy or Ricco any room, they will kick a few goals and create plenty of opportunties for others with their excellent foot skills.

How do you think you'll matchup on each of those 4 small forwards?
 
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BTW This is how i think we will lineup. I changed a couple of positions since i first posted my team on our board (bringing in Street and Lord).

B: Wojcinski Scarlett Harley
HB: Sanderson Graham Milburn
C: Enright Kelly Spriggs
HF: Chapman Mooney Riccardi
F: S Johnson Kingsley Ablett
FOLL: King Ling Corey
Inter: Street Lord Rooke McCarthy
Emer: Bartel Rahilly Clarke

Geelong have an almost full strength team to choose from, hence why i have David Clarke (who averaged 17 touches a game) as an emergency. The only player certain to miss is Marc Woolnough, who isn't close to our best side anyway.

Mooney and Ling have missed games, but both are sweet for round 1.
 

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Originally posted by phatandphreaky
BTW This is how i think we will lineup. I changed a couple of positions since i first posted my team on our board (bringing in Street and Lord).

B: Wojcinski Scarlett Harley
HB: Sanderson Graham Milburn
C: Enright Kelly Spriggs
HF: Chapman Mooney Riccardi
F: S Johnson Kingsley Ablett
FOLL: King Ling Corey
Inter: Street Lord Rooke McCarthy
Emer: Bartel Rahilly Clarke

Geelong have an almost full strength team to choose from, hence why i have David Clarke (who averaged 17 touches a game) as an emergency. The only player certain to miss is Marc Woolnough, who isn't close to our best side anyway.

Mooney and Ling have missed games, but both are sweet for round 1.
That is a seriously tall side Phat and I am sure Rohdey picked up on this on Feb 22nd which probably explains fast tracking Wade Skipper. Wiggins was always in the mix. Croft is no certainty to play so we better be careful we don't go into the game too short.
Our midfield will play better this time around, they couldn't do any worse.
 

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Originally posted by phatandphreaky
Apologies for again infiltrating your board, but i wanted to ask a quick question.

Who do you guys see as your potential small defenders? Most of you have listed guys like Smith, Murphy and Robbins in those roles.

I consider each of those three attacking, creative players, rather then tight checking defenders. Is that assumption a fair one?

We Geelong fans think our small goalkickers can be pretty potent, the four pronged attack of Riccardi, Ablett, Lord and Chapman have the potential to kick 9-10 between them (averaged 7 between them last year).

You could perhaps get away with a loose defender on the likes of Lord and Ablett, but if you give Chappy or Ricco any room, they will kick a few goals and create plenty of opportunties for others with their excellent foot skills.

How do you think you'll matchup on each of those 4 small forwards?
No need for any apologies:

If the Cats go in with four small forwards you listed I would expect the line-ups to go somthing like:
Robbins-Ablett.Kretiuk-Johnson.Hargrave-Riccardi.Smith-Chapman.
Birss,Hahn and Murphy would also be good candidates if we needed to change the match-ups. I agree that most of the guys we have listed are more playmakers than true negating types.

The real key will be the onballers and I think the Dogs aim has to be to dry up the quality of the Cats midfield supply to the forward line.
 
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Originally posted by SCRAY72
That is a seriously tall side Phat
Very tall.

Personally i wouldn't be playing Street (would rather Rahilly, so he could tag West), but it seems Bomber wants King to have genuine back up, especially against smaller sides, so that King can go forward at times.
 
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Originally posted by OldSchool
If the Cats go in with four small forwards you listed I would expect the line-ups to go somthing like:
Robbins-Ablett.Kretiuk-Johnson.Hargrave-Riccardi.Smith-Chapman.
Birss,Hahn and Murphy would also be good candidates if we needed to change the match-ups.
Kretiuk-Johnson

On our board i mentioned that maybe Hahn would be a better matchup for Johnson.

I love Steve Kretiuk (wonderful bloke and courageous footballer), but i dont' think he'll be able to contain Johnson.

As i said on our board, Johnson, despite his marking skills, is merely a goalkicking flanker, a guy who relies on his mobility and relative speed to create matchup problems for the opposing coach.

Kretiuk will kill him in marking contests, but on the ground i'd think Johnson would be a few steps ahead.


Smith-Chapman

This matchup would be an interesting one, and one that both players would enjoy.

Chappy's toughness and brilliant skills, up against Smith's creativeness and hard run.

Hargrave-Riccardi

Excuse my ignorance, but does Hargrave have the speed to match Riccardi, especially when he plays as a leading target from the goalsquare?

Despite hitting 30, Riccardi still is one of the fastest players on our list.

Robbins-Ablett

Pretty good matchup for the Doggies, especially if Ablett spends time in the midfield.

Originally posted by OldSchool

The real key will be the onballers and I think the Dogs aim has to be to dry up the quality of the Cats midfield supply to the forward line.
Very true.

If you can get some genuine help for West and Johnson in the middle, then you will be able to shut us down completely which will turn our forward line from potent, to ordinary.

We have some real depth in our midfield rotation (Ling, Corey, Enright, Riccardi, Spriggs, Ablett, Chapman and Kelly), whereas you have the class, the champions, so it will again be an interesting matchup.
 

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Originally posted by phatandphreaky
Kretiuk-Johnson

On our board i mentioned that maybe Hahn would be a better matchup for Johnson.

I love Steve Kretiuk (wonderful bloke and courageous footballer), but i dont' think he'll be able to contain Johnson.

As i said on our board, Johnson, despite his marking skills, is merely a goalkicking flanker, a guy who relies on his mobility and relative speed to create matchup problems for the opposing coach.

Kretiuk will kill him in marking contests, but on the ground i'd think Johnson would be a few steps ahead.

Hargrave-Riccardi

Excuse my ignorance, but does Hargrave have the speed to match Riccardi, especially when he plays as a leading target from the goalsquare?

Despite hitting 30, Riccardi still is one of the fastest players on our list.

Hargrave is a very good mover and I think he would provide a better match-up for Riccardi than Murphy did last time.

Don't let the fact tha Kretiuk plays on mainly bigger blokes fool you because he is far better suited to playing on a flank. Thats why I think he is a great match-up for Johnson.
Hahn would also be OK however, after last weeks effort he is required in the midfield to hopefully curb Lings input.
 
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