Game Day NAB Cup R3 - WCE v PA - 9/3 @ TP

[Spoken4]

Hello

 

[Prem87]

 

[DivideandMultiply]

I'm not one to subscribe to the "we'll get it right in rd 1" caper.

Good, talented teams win by default - even when not trying. Losing to Port with our best available side is a worry for me.

The NAB cup isn't the definitive guide to the season-proper, but people ignoring that it is an indicator are in dream land. Sure Carlton won the NAB cup and also the spoon - that appears to be an outlier as opposed to the norm. Holding onto that argument is like saying running behind all your opponents hoping they fall over is a sure way to win Olympic gold.

I was happy with week one, comfortable with week two, but disappointed strongly in the weekend gone. We should be getting fine tuned, not making sloppy mistakes nor losing to a team like port late in the pre-season.

Though it wasn't our best available side.

I to am a little worried about our midfield, but Kerr, NN, Masten and Wellingham is a big list of outs for the middle.

All best 22 and despite my more modest valuations of Wellingham, all fairly dynamic players.

All 4 provide a lot of stoppage class and grunt.

 

[Nuke Fremantle]

Though it wasn't our best available side.

I to am a little worried about our midfield, but Kerr, NN, Masten and Wellingham is a big list of outs for the middle.

All best 22 and despite my more modest valuations of Wellingham, all fairly dynamic players.

All 4 provide a lot of stoppage class and grunt.

I'm more than a little worried. Embley has to be doubtful as well. Even in the unlikely scenario that Kerr and NN are medically fit for Rd.1 they'll be totally underdone. A derby is not the type of game for underdone players. Waters is another in that category, though obviously not a midfielder.

 

[erbenz]

I'm more than a little worried. Embley has to be doubtful as well. Even in the unlikely scenario that Kerr and NN are medically fit for Rd.1 they'll be totally underdone. A derby is not the type of game for underdone players. Waters is another in that category, though obviously not a midfielder.

Both of them are medically fit now, and have been building miles in the legs with limited skills work and Worsfold has been adamant that's it's a matter of them getting through full training work for two straight weeks.

From what we've been told Naita and Kerr have been running pretty hard, and we don't seem keen to rush their return either.

If they're playing in round 1, I'm confident that they're fully fit.

I'm not sure why Waters is a problem. He played on the weekend, seemed to get by without hurting himself. I'm going to assume he'll be okay for round 1.

 

[Spoken4]

Both of them are medically fit now, and have been building miles in the legs with limited skills work and Worsfold has been adamant that's it's a matter of them getting through full training work for two straight weeks.

From what we've been told Naita and Kerr have been running pretty hard, and we don't seem keen to rush their return either.

If they're playing in round 1, I'm confident that they're fully fit.

I'm not sure why Waters is a problem. He played on the weekend, seemed to get by without hurting himself. I'm going to assume he'll be okay for round 1.

Forgive the intrusion. A player can be "fully fit" but this does not mean that they are "match fit". Far from it. Being match fit requires extended and consecutive periods of real contested game time. With this being a derby and all, it seem to be very dangerous to bring in a player that has not been building real match time for many weeks.

 

[erbenz]

Forgive the intrusion. A player can be "fully fit" but this does not mean that they are "match fit". Far from it. Being match fit requires extended and consecutive periods of real contested game time. With this being a derby and all, it seem to be very dangerous to bring in a player that has not been building real match time for many weeks.

No need to ask for forgiveness, it's a genuine question.

I totally agree with your assessment and my opinion is that two weeks of match simulation/conditioning is a bare minimum (Moreso for a match hardened pro like Kerr than the still young NN, thus why I think Kerr is more likely to get up).

For me, to be ready to play means being fully fit, which includes the provision of match fitness. If Kerr and NN can't handle high-intensity match simulation, they aren't playing on game day, simple as that.

I was merely suggesting that if NN and Kerr are playing, they will be ready. I am confident that our club doesn't rush these things (See Embley's gradual return late last year) unless the circumstances are special and/or extreme (Finals).

 

[Chris_6678]

Finally got around to watching the game last night, Waters looked fit to me!

Masten will be fine and ready for round 1

Chris Masten ‏@chrismasten7
Bit flat pulled up bit sore having kick so not gonna have a run around tonight. See ya in a couple

Embley said on 7 news last night he will be fine for round 1.

Kerr and Nic Nat i have no idea as not alot has been mentioned but from the little that has been said i think Kerr is the more likely for round 1 and is the sort of player that would not need match practice.

 

[LordHaart]

I only saw a bit of the game, but didn't Shuey go down winded in the 1st quarter? Could be another reason our midfield struggled. Factor in the heat (which won't be present at that level most of the season), and I'm not too worried about our first 11 weeks. The derby will be a big test though, and losing it would really hurt.

 

[Chris_6678]

One thing i noticed before the game was how the commentators ( very impressed with Jacob Surjans commentating too) is that they were impressed at how they were out there training for quite a long time before the game. I think this would factor in the how they looked sloppy in the 2nd 1/4 as they looked very tired.

 

[LeCrassic]

One thing i noticed before the game was how the commentators ( very impressed with Jacob Surjans commentating too) is that they were impressed at how they were out there training for quite a long time before the game. I think this would factor in the how they looked sloppy in the 2nd 1/4 as they looked very tired.

Are you actually being serious?

 

[West Coast 06]

Forgive the intrusion. A player can be "fully fit" but this does not mean that they are "match fit". Far from it. Being match fit requires extended and consecutive periods of real contested game time. With this being a derby and all, it seem to be very dangerous to bring in a player that has not been building real match time for many weeks.

I agree. Freo should defs leave out Pavlich, who fits your description. Thanks.

 

[Matera92]

One thing i noticed before the game was how the commentators ( very impressed with Jacob Surjans commentating too) is that they were impressed at how they were out there training for quite a long time before the game. I think this would factor in the how they looked sloppy in the 2nd 1/4 as they looked very tired.

Ban this guy.

 

[Chris_6678]

Are you actually being serious?

Yeah for a first go at it i thought he was very and good and knew his stuff.

 

[LeCrassic]

Yeah for a first go at it i thought he was very and good and knew his stuff.

Ok, Not knocking your opinion at all but I thought it was horrible, wanted to cut my ears off with a rusty cheese grater.

 

[erbenz]

Jacob Surjan, I knew he grew up as an Eagle's supporter, but that commentary wanted me to excommunicate him from ever being able to call or see an Eagles game again.

 

[West Coast 06]

I'm not one to subscribe to the "we'll get it right in rd 1" caper.

Good, talented teams win by default - even when not trying. Losing to Port with our best available side is a worry for me.

The NAB cup isn't the definitive guide to the season-proper, but people ignoring that it is an indicator are in dream land. Sure Carlton won the NAB cup and also the spoon - that appears to be an outlier as opposed to the norm. Holding onto that argument is like saying running behind all your opponents hoping they fall over is a sure way to win Olympic gold.

I was happy with week one, comfortable with week two, but disappointed strongly in the weekend gone. We should be getting fine tuned, not making sloppy mistakes nor losing to a team like port late in the pre-season.

I think you are being overly harsh with the Port game.

We lost Masten and were a player down before the game started, then lost McGinnity before half time. Add this to a game played in high temps and self confessed heavy training loads and I think the performance was ok.

Remember we played Port at Mandurah last pre season and only just fell over the line in the dying seconds of that game. I was there and we looked mighty scratchy then as well, but because we won it was not high lighted.

Without Nicnat, Wellingham, and Kerr we may well struggle against the Dockers in round 1, but I feel we will give everyone a run for their money when we have those guys up and playing again.

 

[The Falcon Strike]

I think you are being overly harsh with the Port game.

We lost Masten and were a player down before the game started, then lost McGinnity before half time. Add this to a game played in high temps and self confessed heavy training loads and I think the performance was ok.

The loss of Masten and McGinnity would explain a last quarter fade out, it doesn't explain falling behind at the start of a match when energy levels are less of an issue.

 

[West Coast 06]

The loss of Masten and McGinnity would explain a last quarter fade out, it doesn't explain falling behind at the start of a match when energy levels are less of an issue.

Or, we started the game well. Dropped off in the middle when Port were able to rotate players far more heavily than we were able to (being two down). Then finished the game strongly when our far superior fitness levels showed against a less experienced team (even despite being players down).

That's my take on it.

 

[GO EAGLES]

Ive got a feeling that we are going to lose to Fremantle by 45 points or thereabouts

 

[ausbacker]

Jacob Surjan, I knew he grew up as an Eagle's supporter, but that commentary wanted me to excommunicate him from ever being able to call or see an Eagles game again.

For what reason? His voice? If you're willing to discount the obvious insight and wealth of football knowledge he was adding to the call of the game then that's your prerogative. Given the amount of crap that is spewed on radio and television it was refreshing to listen to a player recently out of the game who understood concepts and could adequately describe them to the average supporter.

 

[mad_eagle]

Ive got a feeling that we are going to lose to Fremantle by 45 points or thereabouts

say it ain't so!!!

 

[erbenz]

For what reason? His voice? If you're willing to discount the obvious insight and wealth of football knowledge he was adding to the call of the game then that's your prerogative. Given the amount of crap that is spewed on radio and television it was refreshing to listen to a player recently out of the game who understood concepts and could adequately describe them to the average supporter.

Actually I thought the insight he provided was minimal and often contradicted the moves that would occur on the screen. Each to their own.

 

[LeCrassic]

Yer all he really said was Ggggreeat "handball-kick-mark-tackle-etc".... He read stats off a sheet & interrupted the others whenever made a mess in his pants over a port player, Whilst in a voice that even the lambchop sock puppet would tell to stfu

 

[Jack_the_Ninja]

Ive got a feeling that we are going to lose to Fremantle by 45 points or thereabouts

Move over GO EAGLES I'm the new voice of unbridled optimism here now ! we will be 10-2 by mid season.