Game Day NAB Cup Round 1 - Hawthorn v Brisbane

[carnthemlions]

I think it's a bit early to be making judgements about our gameplan/lack thereof.
At least wait to see what we try to do in the next match...
Also, might be easier to make judgements about new guys when they have a bit more support on the field rather than trying to work with an inexperienced group most of whom have never played a serious match together.

Who am i kidding, SACK LEPPA AND DELIST ALL THE SPUDS NOW!!!!!!!

 

[PTizzle]

Tempted to go through some of the stuff on the main board and find a few Richmond posters who took particular joy in seeing the BL result..

Fairly off-topic, but what's going on with the Richmond supporters? They all seem to absolutely hate the Lions and I can't for the life of me figure out why.


The disappointment in the game has definitely softened over the last few days, I've come around to it not being an awful idea to give the young blokes a run against an excellent team to teach them about AFL level pressure. It'll be how we back it up that's telling.

Have you considered not breaking our collar bone?

That sounds like a Jordan Lisle gameplan to me

 

[whatboutbob]

It looked to me like we had two methods of bringing the ball forward. The first was fast break style footy. It appeared to me that if we could move the ball quickly (ie after a turnover), the players had a licence to play quick, "Geelong style" rebound footy. However, if that wasn't possible, it seemed that the intent was to go wide and deliberate, looking for targets within touching distance of the boundary. The second part may be what is new about our game plan. I never got the impression that the ball movement method under Voss was that defined/simple.

Bringing this to the forward line, I thought I saw a tendency to put the ball deep into a pocket, unless the delivery was quick. A few times, marks were taken outside 50 and we kicked very wide and deep. Obviously, the intent would have been to create a stoppage and try and generate a scoring opportunity from that or press up defensively to lock the ball in.

Nothing too remarkable or new but that seemed to me to be a couple of the bare bones of what we wanted to do, in a simplified way anyway.

Then again, it may take several rounds to get our heads around what is trying to be achieved and it is always a lot more difficult to get a handle on it watching from TV. I tend to learn a heap more about structure when I see games live so am looking forward to round 2.

That tallies with what I've seen at training.

 

[Davemonkey]

Is the site unmetered if Telstra is your service provider?



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I presume it would be but I'm on iiNet so don't know.


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[Big Sauce 21]

Fairly off-topic, but what's going on with the Richmond supporters? They all seem to absolutely hate the Lions and I can't for the life of me figure out why.

Because they got defensive with Lions fans thinking they could beat Richmond. Alot of "you haven't beaten us in such and such years what makes you think you will this year"

 

[Davemonkey]

I presume it would be but I'm on iiNet so don't know.


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I can report though that I watched most of the game and the usage for the day was around 4gb. I also watched about half of the Dees/Tigers game and the kids were online a little and had roughly the same usage.


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[PTizzle]

Because they got defensive with Lions fans thinking they could beat Richmond. Alot of "you haven't beaten us in such and such years what makes you think you will this year"

Haha, is that really it? Ah well, more power to them I guess.

 

[Haso]

Haha, is that really it? Ah well, more power to them I guess.

I just imagine them all looking like this guy.

Makes it easier.

 

[Big Sauce 21]

I just imagine them all looking like this guy.

Makes it easier.

I reckon they'd lean that far forward while typing as well. Very aggressive fans

 

[Skoob]

That feeling, when you have to wait 10 seconds for the punchline of a Haso gif and it turns out to be text;

 

[Chezzalenko Reborn]

Fairly off-topic, but what's going on with the Richmond supporters? They all seem to absolutely hate the Lions and I can't for the life of me figure out why.

None of them allowed into Queensland anymore

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[Dylan12]

Just to add our Round 1 match isn't until March 22. Yesterdays game was February 13 so there is a bit of time before we need to be up to scratch.

Not sure I understand your reasoning at all considering the reigning premier thought it worthwhile to get up to scratch earlier rather than later.

Having watched the replay on TV earlier after attending on Thurdsay, I'm even more confused as to what the match committee hoped to gain from simply letting the kids just get unnecessarily mauled. Not sure what the lessons were at all from a development point of view.

 

[POBT]

Not sure I understand your reasoning at all considering the reigning premier thought it worthwhile to get up to scratch earlier rather than later.

Very different circumstances though. We've got two longer flights for our first two games. Then we've got the long flight to Tassie for round 1. Hawthorn play in Melbourne then Tassie then Tassie - hardly globetrotting. Our annual nomadic existence in Feb/Mar takes a very different type of man management to deal with.

As I said earlier, I would have picked the Melbourne game for our stronger team but, given how spaced out our games are, I can also see the sense of effectively starting the match practice for our senior side with the Townsville clash.

Of course, another option would have been to split the best 25 or so between the first two games. That would have helped the youngsters, made for a more competitive performance and given us a decent insight into the side. But potentially, it comes at the cost of developing combinations among the senior cohort and getting the side sorted under a new structure.

At the very least, I would have thrown two more senior midfielders into the side for the first match which would have had a knock on effect down the line for the midfielders and running types.

From memory, Voss played a weak side in one game of the pre-season pretty much every year he was coach. I remember we copped a walloping in NT somewhere against the Crows.

 

[Skoob]

Watched some large chunks of the game this morning. Meh.

2 things struck me, and aren't new to this group or coach, and they were the lack of speed and man on man defense.
So many times we are forced to kick/pass to a one on one (at best) whereas the opposition always, ALWAYS, seem to have a plethora of loose players.
Zone, schmone. When the Hawks get the ball, their pace guarantees an inside 50. Is the intent to not man up, or are we just perpetually terrible at it?

Other than that, there were skill errors, but they were to be expected with the combination of nerves, the occasion and a slippery ball.
I thought most of the boys did okay and on many occasions were cruelled by bad luck.

My (perhaps naive or nonsensical ) opinion on team selection is this;
We saw 5 players leave last year, Polec & Yeo due to homesickness, Docherty, Karnezis and Longer presumably in search of better opportunity. Lisle too could be frustrated with lack of opportunities. These guys possibly felt they had more to offer. This year's draftees, rookies and 2nd/3rd year players are now fully aware of how far they are behind being competitive against a top side they are. Thursday night should have put some egos in check. They may not have needed it, but they have felt the difference of being a superstar at Neafl or even Sanfl level and competing in the AFL.

Always my pet peeve is the umpiring. Hopefully they sort out their interpretations by round 1. Apart from the usual "no, that was ok because he's a star player" then "hey, you can't do that", the inevitable struggle for umpires to 'get' the purpose of new rulings is positively shit me to tears. Evident in our game was the grappling to come to terms with high contact. The idea is to penalise players who lead with the head. The result, too scared to pay frees for high contact. "Did he drop his shoulder to deliberately draw a free?" If in doubt, let it go seems to be the mindset.

There will always be doubt in the minds of many senior players when their best option is a rookie, so no wonder our mature guys struggled as well as the kids. With 60% of our senior team yet to play, I expect we'll see an 80% improvement by round 1.

 

[Smoky]

Show me a player on any list that doesn't have "potential".

There you go.

 

[alscotoz2]

I had an absolutely sensational steak at the Turf Bar tonight. Sensational. And a double of Talisker.

Anyway, what are the rest of you talking about?

Talisker...not bad.

 

[alscotoz2]

SACK LEPPA NOW

 

[James North]

There you go.

All that is, is Adam Baldwin's facial features photoshopped on to Pendlebury's body. Of course he has no potential.

 

[Dylan12]

In which case then, the Paddlepop is also responsible for our wins against Essendon and Geelong.

No it wasn't.

 

[Big Sauce 21]

Dat jersey

 

[LukeHodge15]

Here's my take on on what we can take out of the game:

1. What were Hawthorn thinking putting that many frontline players at risk

With limited Pre-Season NAB cup games this year - Teams are being forced to play more senior players to give them a run before the big stuff starts.
For the Record Hawks argueably had 9-10 of their best 22 still in the sheds for this match ...... Pretty much the entire first team backline as well.

Gibson
Lake
Hodge
Shoey
Stratton
Birchall
WhiteX (ACL)
Garlett
Jed Anderson
Sewell

 

[iBeng]

With limited Pre-Season NAB cup games this year - Teams are being forced to play more senior players to give them a run before the big stuff starts.
For the Record Hawks argueably had 9-10 of their best 22 still in the sheds for this match ...... Pretty much the entire first team backline as well.

Gibson
Lake
Hodge
Shoey
Stratton
Birchall
WhiteX (ACL)
Garlett
Jed Anderson
Sewell

Garlett is a best 22 without even playing a game? Nice.

We had few players likely to play 22 games this year. Currently it would be: Zorko, Lester, Green(Maybe), Mayes(Maybe) off the top of my head with the second two dependent on form. Maguire will likely be managed to game games into Clarke, West wont play 22, Raines in the same boat, Aish will get games but probably not 22...Who else...The other draftees are unlikely to play all 22 rounds. We clearly didnt plan on giving this match a 100% crack, which is why we pulled even Rockliff out just before the match.

But all the Soothsayers (See Richmond, although they'll ignore the fact they lost to Melbourne because they were missing 2-3 of their best players) will claim we are deadset up for a Wooden Spoon year.

 

[LukeHodge15]

Garlett is a best 22 without even playing a game? Nice.

We had few players likely to play 22 games this year. Currently it would be: Zorko, Lester, Green(Maybe), Mayes(Maybe) off the top of my head with the second two dependent on form. Maguire will likely be managed to game games into Clarke, West wont play 22, Raines in the same boat, Aish will get games but probably not 22...Who else...The other draftees are unlikely to play all 22 rounds. We clearly didnt plan on giving this match a 100% crack, which is why we pulled even Rockliff out just before the match.

But all the Soothsayers (See Richmond, although they'll ignore the fact they lost to Melbourne because they were missing 2-3 of their best players) will claim we are deadset up for a Wooden Spoon year.

Just sayin the Hawks rested plenty in this match which the poster said we didnt.
The new format is forcing clubs to play more guys in an attempt to get match fitness into them with fewer games.

Im a massive Garlett fan - IMO he will be best 22 when the whips are cracking come finals.
Kid has a couple of weaknesses (Namely 2 way running) but u cant ignore the talent. Kid is a gem.
IMO we are a better side with him inside the best 22.

Even if u drop him becuase u dont rate him - Its still 9 best 22 guys that didnt play.

Please dont put me in the BF low IQ bin trolling squad. Just browsed through this thread for a read on Brissys thoughts on the match.

 

[chopperduck]

We get a 3rd game v the swans, im not sure all teams are doing this. Otherwise the stronger teams is due to only playing 2 preseason games instead of 4. We had different priorities going into this game.

 

[luthor]

From memory, Voss played a weak side in one game of the pre-season pretty much every year he was coach. I remember we copped a walloping in NT somewhere against the Crows.

I recall copping a complete flogging at the hands of Port in the pre-season final 2001.

Oh how the sky was falling and how we were going to be consigned/resigned to decades of nothing but shyte-ness and pain.

Guffaw!