Like most of the SCG crowd who aren't there to take the football seriously either.And with this horseschitte you destroy any chance you had of having your arguments taken seriously.
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Like most of the SCG crowd who aren't there to take the football seriously either.And with this horseschitte you destroy any chance you had of having your arguments taken seriously.
I hope they get rid of the 2nd back of jumper sponsor immediately rather than get greedy and keep it, but they tried to names for a round and it just looked cluttered and added nothing that the numbers didn't already provide in a far easier to read format.Messy? What, worried it might clash with the Hungry Jacks and Mission logos? And unnecessary? Quite a few people saying it is. I genuinely can’t think of a logical reason to oppose it other than ‘that’s the way it’s always been’.
Also, still trying to get my head around the idea we should deliberately make sports complicated and difficult to understand to make it special. I mean, it might seem that way because of the AFL rules committee but I don’t think it’s standard practice.
LOL expecting anyone to take your opinion seriously when you deliver up schitte like that.Like most of the SCG crowd who aren't there to take the football seriously either.
There's this marvellous new invention called television.yeah, the thing stopping people recognising players is the lack of their names on the back of the jumper in text probably 3-4cm tall and being read from 100+m away...
Yeah, names on jumpers really helps and will be very legible...
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Lol have you ever noticed how many times in a broadcast they go into a close shot? Dozens of times. But yeah, let's find some instances where it won't work.Yeah, names on jumpers really helps and will be very legible...
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So it's your contention that game's very survival depends on player names being added to the backs of the club guernsey?Newcomers to the game would benefit a lot from having names on the back of jumpers.
Football is a spectator sport, and while spectating, we often make note of who is who. As much as some of us spectators like to exclaim otherwise, football is unashamedly individualized in regards to many areas of the game... when it just so happens to be convenient for us to let it be or pay no mind to.
From commentators mentioning player moments, disposal records, averages and accomplishments - to awards being given based on individual accolades in marquee matches, after the overall season or the Grand Final - to milestones being highlighted in terms of total goals kicked or games played - to certain hairstyles, rivalries, "compare the pair" segments - all the way to the point of showing betting odds for the likelihood of when a player will score, get their first touch, ect; - not to mention how venerated the father/son concept is - while being the most flagrant example of name-based individualisation that there can be. The entire meaning behind it is based on the recognition of names within a team.
Yet, the moment names on jumpers are brought into the discussion - you then have all of the previous examples of individuality thrown out of the window - and arguments of "team" start to conveniently pop up.
We must be consistent with our approach to this, and not let picking and choosing get in the way of the realities of our game today. We are living in the HD era - and as a spectator sport - names on the back of jumpers, while being shown on TV or big screens (or highlights) will undoubtedly help newcomers get acquainted with certain players quicker. Rather than constantly trying to discern a player's face, a new spectator can focus more on what they're doing with the ball. Perception to pairing a face to a name is a lot more efficient than to binary numbers - and has the added benefit of lessening confusion when players choose to leave/change numbers.
This added benefit does nothing to disrupt the game, it does nothing to hinder the play, and does nothing to distract viewing. Thus, the only reason to be against it is based purely on pettiness.
The game's future, especially after what's happened in the last two years, is going to base a lot of its survival and longevity on membership numbers, viewership numbers and crowd numbers, ect; - all influenced by growing interest from potential supporters. Bringing the game in-line with all other sports in making it easier for player recognition will be paramount to helping the game grow to new audiences. It also does not mean that the number loses significance, as the number will always be there, but passed on from host to host as a badge of honour. And as shown before, we have had no problems recognising individual efforts over and over when convenient for us and at no time did it sacrifice our interpretation of it as a team-based best 22 sport.
One could also say that father/son moments would be much more meaningful and impactful, upon witnessing a player don the last name of his father while playing for the same club, and knowing that his future son (or daughter) may have the chance to carry on the same last name on his/her jumper into the future.
So it's your contention that game's very survival depends on player names being added to the backs of the club guernsey?
It's been a tough lockdown, huh?
We'll get through it.
How am I putting words in your mouth when you posted this...Putting words in my mouth. Nothing is ever the very reason to anything. That's not how life works. Maybe if you used up your allocated 4 hours of exercise and touched grass once in a while you wouldn't be as confused or petty.
interesting, I was about to say, I'd prefer to see it go the other way and get rid of the numbersTrue story
When they first floated the idea of putting numbers on the back of jumpers to help identify players, the people of the day pushed back on it and tried to resist it also.
Now it's just seen as a part of the game.
interesting, I was about to say, I'd prefer to see it go the other way and get rid of the numbers
Numbers is such a throw back to the days when there was no high-res TV and you didn't have mic-ed up umpires calling everyone by their pet names all match.
yes tougher at the ground, but most watch on telly these days.
I'm a footy nut but was never a numbers-nerd, sure I can tell you Richo and Dusty's numbers, but few others, it's the last thing I'm focusing on when watching a game. My brother is the opposite, knows all the numbers. I never understood that.It's not about the die hards who can identify all the players by sight though, it's about the casual fans and improving their viewing experience.
Numbers and names on the jumper help them get into the game more by being able to more readily identify the obscure players.
If you make it more appealing for the casual to watch it and not just pandering to the footy snobs, it's how you get more money into the game and keep it growing.
Not to mention putting the names on the backs of guersney's does increase sales of those guernsey's in the clubs shops.
Or immediately dates them.
Not really an Americanisation when soccer does it as well.Unnecessary Americanisation that we don't need in footy.
Not really an Americanisation when soccer does it as well.
Baseball in the 60s, Ice Hockey & Gridiron in the 70s and finally soccer once again the earliest usage was in the 70s and you guessed it... in the American Soccer League.
Once again it's an unnecessary Americanisation that we don't need.
Numbers will suffice and like many have said in this thread, if you forget who is who there are apps/commentary/etc that can help you if you're a casual fan.
I mean, Liam Ryan and Willie Rioli are dead ringers of each other for... reasons.Relying on commentators to get the player names right doesn't improve the situation
It's not about the die hards who can identify all the players by sight though, it's about the casual fans and improving their viewing experience.
Numbers and names on the jumper help them get into the game more by being able to more readily identify the obscure players.
If you make it more appealing for the casual to watch it and not just pandering to the footy snobs, it's how you get more money into the game and keep it growing.
Removing a sponsor from the area where the name will go would actually mean clubs make less money.
So you're advocating for clubs losing money on the premise that these casual fans whoever they are will actually spend any money on the team in the first place, which I highly doubt they will.
I mean really, if you stop watching a game because you can't work out for yourself who the players are you must be a flat out idiot in the first place.
"Casual fans" are a nonentity.