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WCE2000

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I just downloaded a program called NAPSTER last Thursday night, and only one word is needed to sum it up - Unbelievable.
For those of you who don't know what it is or don't have it, GET IT.
It is a progam which allows you to swap any songs that you have with other people and you can build your own song library. 3 days ago i didn't have one song on my computer, now i have about 25. And if i had a cable connection it would be close to 250.

In reality, it is scary. Any artist who makes a song, will eventually have it readily available to the 30 million users of NAPSTER. All 30 million can take the song and not pay a cent.

If you dont have it, go to www.napster.com and download it - you'll never pay for a CD again.

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WCE2000,

We have had napster for over a year. If you caught 60 minutes last night, you would have seen the story about the legal challenge by the record industries in an attempt to have it shut down. Although there are a few bands that are behind napster, the majority are dead against it and claim that it is costing them millions of dollars in revenue.

Anyway, it is a great program. We have over 150 songs now and would have a lot more if it weren't for the download limit of our ISP each month.

I better end it here, I don't want to sound like Chev1977.
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LOL @ Sainter

"I'm back.... however with good news!!"

Just one question though, are we going to start seeing "Napstar gives your computer cancer" topics???
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But seriously, i have to start using Napstar, but I've only got like 20mb left on my hard drive.... how many songs can i fit with that kind of room??
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Westy,

You're lucky you didn't have to put up with Chev's constant "we have to tell everyone about aussie rules in chat sites...promote the game" speeches.
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The songs vary in length quite a bit. Most of the songs I get are around the 3 - 6 Mb range so it wouldn't be worth you downloading the program yet.

If you are reading this message around 1:30am, I'm in the chat room now.
 
Shame, shame, shame.

Napster is outright theft.

The internet has been a great outlet for musicians looking for a world-wide market. And there are numerous sites where you can legally download music that the musicians themselves have made available for free. Sites such a peoplesound.com or mp3.com provide an excellent outlet for musicians who would otherwise not get heard through the normal commercial channels.

But Napster is a different animal altogether. Napster is the organised theft of artistic property.

As an anarchist, I believe that music should be the property of everyone ... and in the case of bands that have already made a killing out of the commercial music industry, I think it's fair enough that people help themselves to their music. It will be no skin of the noses of bands like the Stones, or Metallica, or INXS or any other mega-band if a few million people plunder their work. It's called putting something back in ... paying your dues (after the event).

But my concern is for the musicians who are just struggling to establish themselves. They haven't made squillions of dollars like the BIG names have. If people in their millions are just going to rip off the music of these not-quite-established artists then the arse is going to fall out of these people's careers.

Perhaps all this is inevitable. Perhaps there is no way of stopping the modern technology from destroying the "music industry". And believe me, I'm no fan of the "music industry". But I just think a struggling artist deserves to be materially rewarded for their work.

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Alf,
I don't use napster as i dont want to be tracked by those who would sue, but there are plenty of other ways to get MP3 files try these on for size www.mp3masterlist.com , www.allmp3s.com , www.avfind.com , www.themusiclover.com and they all have links to more sites where you can get mp3s

P.S. You sound like you may be able to afford to buy a whole album just because you like 1 song on it, and as soon as they bring out 1 track WMA files at a reasonable price ie. $3.50 AUD or less I will buy music again
 
Ha ha. What a coincidence. I've just finished downloading yet another song from Napster and I run into this topic. May I say it's the best thing since sliced bread. Had it for just under a year now.

Saves me going out and buying singles and what not.

I say milk it to the max while it lasts!
 
Sainter - If you can - change to cable modem!!!! It is soooooooo fast! I downloaded 17 songs in half an hour the other day! And with the great speakers that came with this new pc - my stereo is feeling very rejected!!!!
 
Music wants to be free

Long live Napster and death to Metallica, Warner Bros, Sony Music etc and anyone other 'faceless corporation' that just wants to make money and wouldn't know about artistic expression if they fell over it.

There now thats my rave on Napster- anyone with other views on this very interesting topic ?
 
God Bless Napster! Hail To Napster!
I Dont Know What I Would Do Without Napster! Its Caters For My Music Needs!

Downloading Something Now From It!
 

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Dons_R you hit it on the head.

When the bands and record companys start to make reasonable profit instead of GIGANTIC profits on CD's that cost 50cents to make and sell for $25+ well, how much marketing,promotion and middle men are laughing at us poor mugs that bought the stuff for so long. Fair enough points about theft, but the record co's are kidding themselves if they dont think the public doesnt know about how theyve been thieving of us for years.

I dont use Napster but i do hit the MP3 sites pretty regular. Also if i want music id rather hit a Sunday record fair and buy a good 2nd hand album for $5 or so anyway.

Westy, if your running out of hard drive space, find a mate with a CD burner and just transfer some stuff onto that. Just an option. Cheers.
 
Technology is advancing more rapidly than at any other time in our history. This is the information revolution - the old models for making money from music will not apply. With off-the-shelf equipment, anybody can create digital copies of music with ZERO loss in quality.

The power is shifting to the consumer. To make up for lost sales, bands will have to make more money from concerts. So if you want to hear your favourite band you can listen for free. If you want to see them in concert, you will have to pay through the nose.

Far from shifting money out of the pockets of artists, in the near future the big names might have to WORK for a fair coin.

I see a situation where artists will play certain original or cover songs only at concerts, never releasing them on CD, as an added incentive to go along to see them live.

Imaginative marketing is the only way to ride out this revolution. Stephen King's online 'honesty payment' system is one such example.

Give out RELIABLE CD burning software for free, then cut the charge down to $5 for an entire downloaded album with encrypted authenticity code. I'd pay for that.

Start releasing GOOD music that is worth paying for instead of this Bardot/Ricky Martin/Boyzone/John Farnham/Kylie Minogue/Strolling Bones garbage aimed at kids and geriatrics.

But of course, the big names will use money to lobby politicians to turn music lovers into criminals.

By the way, you do know that included in the charge for every blank tape or CD is a royalty payment which is disbursed amongst record companies, don't you?
 
In a way, we have been through this all before in the 70's and early 80's with the cassette tape / FM radio saga.

Then, as now with Napster, you had the situation where record companies and major artists cried poverty, breach of copyright and the end of civilisation as we know it because it was thought everybody would just tape their favourite songs off the radio and not buy the album from the record shop.

Well, as it turned out it didn't work out that way - FM Radio and cassette tape didn't send record companies broke, in fact it greatly enhanced and expanded the potential market as alot of people suddenly became very interested in music, people who had shown little or no interest at all previously.

Same with Napster, a research study recently published in the USA showed that Napster and MP3 actually INCREASED the sale of albums as many users would download a single from the Net, like what they hear - then go back and purchase the whole album.

Buying an album from a record company at a hugely inflated price is not the only way music can be disseminated among an audience. Music is artistic expression, and as such, cannot be 'owned' by any single entity.

Napster is merely a technological expression of this basic rule.
 
Danni,

When the songs I choose take forever to download, I only dream about having a cable connection.
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Like BSA said, I still buy CD's if I enjoy them enough, especially if it is an Aussie band. You can sample a song or two from an album and if you like it, buy the album.

The last album I brought was Powderfingers latest. I read an article where Bernard Fanning spoke about his hope that their songs would not become freely available on napster and that Australian music should be supported. I felt guilty and bought it instead of downloading it.

There is a big difference between supporting struggling independent talent and making large music corporations richer. Sadly, in this instance they are on the same side.
 
I hate to agree with someone who is silly enough to call themselves an anarchist but Napster is indeed artistic theft.

The musicians created the property that people are now downloading for free. They (the musicians) own it and should have the right to be rewarded for their work and creativity.

If musicians aren't rewarded for creating the music in the first place then why should they bother? What incentive is there to put any sort of time and effort into a project?

Admittedly, the original fault lies with organisations like ARIA who have been ripping people off for years. I have no sympathy for them. But that is no excuse for blatent plagiarism.

How do those of you who are using Napster propose that the artists be paid for their work?

Do you care?

Remember, if no one wants to become a musician then who is going to create the music you want to download in the first place?



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Tiger

And everyone else
Napster is not going to destroy the music industry

Unless everyone can afford a mp3 player then, people are still going to buy CD's and tapes.

When Mp3 players are cheap enough to become mainstream.The CD's/Mini disks will have some protection device to stop them being converted into MP3

So chill
Enjoy Napster

Plus lets not forget some major musicans are endorsing napster
 
Originally posted by TigerTank:

How do those of you who are using Napster propose that the artists be paid for their work?

Do you care?

Remember, if no one wants to become a musician then who is going to create the music you want to download in the first place?
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1. If Napster wins their court case, i can garuantee you that Napster will no longer be free. They will charge like 50 dollars a year or something. Remember, Napster is totally free now and that they are probably running at a loss currently, so theyre going to have to start making money soon.
Then any band that signs with Napster, will recieve a cut and Napster will be their recording company.

2. Within 10 years, we will have sofisticated enough software that we will be able to create our songs. And i would see within another 20 years, we will have software that will enable us to make our own movies, which we will be able to post on the Internet.


I would say the Film Industry will be shitting themselves, because as soon as compression rates and download speeds get better, films (which cost upwards of 100 million dollars to make) will be on the Internet for free.

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Good luck at the Athens Olympics Mags, go for gold in Taekwondo.

For all your footballing needs be sure to visit my AFL web-site at http://www.geocities.com/eastsydney5/index.html
 
Napster is already old world technology.
Newer programs like Gnutella and Scour are peer-to-peer swapping unlike Napster which goes through the Napster server computers. Untraceable to anyone (or any record company)

Napster may want to charge $50 a year or whatever, but they will fail, a program called Napigator bypasses the Napster servers and shows 100's of free "Napster like" servers (based in all sort of places where the greedy US record companies can't get at them), the record companies can't win, users will just move onto the next wave of technology.

The only way to stop Napster and the like is for the record companies to spend money on research to encode music CD's, but they don't want to spend it rather to charge $20 plus on 25 cent CD's made in Asian sweatshops. The Napster's of this world are all of their own making. Just look at DVD's, the encoding of them is pretty good, not great as they have been cracked by hackers but the cracked quality versions are crap compared to the original, so people will still go out and buy/rent DVD quality if they really want it. I know I have.

Scour is even better than Napster imho, not only do you get mp3 by the truckload but music videos/pictures and full length movies to download.

I'm off to watch my Scour d/led version of Chicken Run. Why should I wait till Boxing Day to watch a movie that has been out in the US for 6 months?
www.napigator.com www.scour.com
 
i dont care if people use napster, i use a similar programs for american songs i cant buy in australia, or just to listen to something before i buy it, its a good way for young bands to get their music out, but i beg you not to d/l and aussie music, go and buy it, its not expensive if your going to d/l all your other music
this has the potential to kill the aussie music industry, download all the limp bizkit and metallica you want but please not aussie music unless you download it from their own band site
 
Ok guys heres the situation....

We live in a time where people want things now. We don't want to wait for a pie in the sky when we die (i.e go out and buy the things)

we want coffee and Cake while we wait for our steak. In other words we want it now!

NAPSTER IS AMAZINGLY AWESOME!

Hey MAx Power... where do you download your movies from can u email me joshua@royalfoods.com.au

If anyone else has some sites, please email me!
 
Just go and download Scour Joshua and install it and you'll have hundreds of movies to choose from.

The best thing about Scour is that it let's you resume files later unlike Napster. So you can d/l at your own rate. I'm 3/4 of the way through d/ling Blair Witch 2 as we speak.

If u want movies/music videos/tv shows etc, etc - Scour it, don't bother jerking around with websites and stuff split into 50 seperate files.



[This message has been edited by Max Power (edited 31 October 2000).]
 
MaxPower:

You are so right.

It doesn't matter what happens - if Napster gets shut down then another Napster-like program will pop up somewhere else.

So the record companies might as well concede defeate and instead of fighting the technology they should embrace it.

Because the people that embrace the technology will, ultimately, be better off.

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Good luck at the Athens Olympics Mags, go for gold in Taekwondo.

For all your footballing needs be sure to visit my AFL web-site at http://www.geocities.com/eastsydney5/index.html
 

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