Recommitted Nat Fyfe [re-signed]

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DaveLister said:
Fyfe has said a number of times that he'll sign mid season like he always has.
Makes sense his value is just about the lowest it has been for 3 years. Let him come back, hit form and sign
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Agree. Where the salary cap negotiations are at is of minor concern.
The AFL have been telling clubs and players for 12 months now to plan for a 10% bump in cap once its signed off.

Every club including freo will be holding off tabling their very best offer until he proves conclusively his leg troubles are over
 
Judd2Sewell said:
You wonder what he would have done if someone had come to Fremantle at the start of 2016 and were willing to trade them Mitchell and O'Meara for Pav and Mundy.
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It would have been Mitchell & O'Meare for Pav, Mundy, Tucker, Balic, Collins, Yarran, Hill, McCarthy, Logue and Darcy if you're following the recent way of Hawthorn doing trading. Not the 3 for 1 deal people have been talking about, 2 for 10.
 

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Judd2Sewell said:
Well isn't that a bit of an exaggeration.
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We wouldn't have had the picks for Tucker, Balic, Collins, and Yarran if we did a similar deal as Hawthorn to get Omeara and Mitchell. We also wouldn't have had the pick 3 to get McCarthy, Hill, and Hamling. Logue and Darcy we would still probably have drafted I assuming we had picks thereabouts.
 
rgauci said:
Hang on a second, you mortgaged 2 drafts and 2 ageing stars for 2 young stars. Jury is out. Unless you can nab a big free agent, Fyfe or Martin, this year, I can't see it as a positive. The perfect storm right now is you get an amazing free agent, and you legitimately have nothing in return to give. Especially with the 2x first rounders in 4 years policy. Could really railroad the opposition (Richmond or Freo) into accepting the compensation pick only. Miss out on a star this year and it's not a great move.
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Straight from the horses mouth, hawks 'could' have hypothetically kept smitch and lewis and stayed under the cap this year after back ending money from other players contracts.

http://m.afl.com.au/news/2017-03-14...ewis-tom-mitchell-jaeger-omeara-says-clarkson

Except of course remembering this hypothetical was based on:

A.
Smitchs hugely reduced contract value he re-signed last year (along with gibbo, burgoyne, hodge),

B.
Lewis ACTUALLY accepting the lowball offer from the hawks he turned down and went to melb over, because the dees were prepared to pay him what he's worth.

C.
Here's the kicker though- even after A. and B. are taken into account, clarkos hypothetical STILL relies on them rejigging/backending existing contracts of other players to get under the cap limit.

Pretty conclusive proof that all ditching smitch and lewis has done is get the hawks back to 100% cap this year after jaeger, tmitch and vickery have come in (without having to resort to backending other players money).

The flat-earther hawks who have delusions of the hawks being at 95% cap this year are going to be disappointed at the piggy bank balance when FA shopping at the end of the year.

Plus if hodge, burgoyne and gibbo all happen to retire this year- because they are playing for peanuts... it's not going to do much to swell the piggy bank either
 
Lewis wasn't off contract. Mitchell was reported to still be on a good contract. Hodge is on half pay this year so won't be much a saving if he retires. Burgoyne and Gibson would be similar but put them together that is probably $1m spare next year
 
hawkman said:
Lewis wasn't off contract. Mitchell was reported to still be on a good contract. Hodge is on half pay this year so won't be much a saving if he retires. Burgoyne and Gibson would be similar but put them together that is probably $1m spare next year
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I stand corrected on lewis, however i can't see how that 'spare' million next year will exist to be used on a FA unless the plan is to replace:
Hodge, gibson and burgoyne

with:
a FA like rockliff (fyfe is out due to costing over a mil), and 2 first year draftpicks from the 2nd and 3rd rounds.

That's a lot of output lost, and as decent a pickup as rocky would be, he's only 1 A grader replacing 3.

Puts a lot of pressure on the likes of orourke and hartung to become A graders, or else there's gonna be a big drop.
 
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By the sounds of it there is going to be at least an extra million in the cap as well with the new CBA. Sure the existing players would probably take half of it but add that to the money from Hodge, Burgoyne and Gibson and the part of Mitchells contract we are still paying and there is likely to be $1.5m plus free
 
hawkman said:
By the sounds of it there is going to be at least an extra million in the cap as well with the new CBA. Sure the existing players would probably take half of it but add that to the money from Hodge, Burgoyne and Gibson and the part of Mitchells contract we are still paying and there is likely to be $1.5m plus free
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Correct the cap is going up.
However every teams cap is going up a mill.
A rising tide lifts all boats- the extra mill in the cap is just going to inflate the price of every AFL player, FA or not, by 10%.

Its a zero sum result to cap space- you're back where you started.
The players are just getting 10% more in their pockets.
 

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The_Steadier said:
Straight from the horses mouth, hawks 'could' have hypothetically kept smitch and lewis and stayed under the cap this year after back ending money from other players contracts.

http://m.afl.com.au/news/2017-03-14...ewis-tom-mitchell-jaeger-omeara-says-clarkson

Except of course remembering this hypothetical was based on:

A.
Smitchs hugely reduced contract value he re-signed last year (along with gibbo, burgoyne, hodge),

B.
Lewis ACTUALLY accepting the lowball offer from the hawks he turned down and went to melb over, because the dees were prepared to pay him what he's worth.

C.
Here's the kicker though- even after A. and B. are taken into account, clarkos hypothetical STILL relies on them rejigging/backending existing contracts of other players to get under the cap limit.

Pretty conclusive proof that all ditching smitch and lewis has done is get the hawks back to 100% cap this year after jaeger, tmitch and vickery have come in (without having to resort to backending other players money).

The flat-earther hawks who have delusions of the hawks being at 95% cap this year are going to be disappointed at the piggy bank balance when FA shopping at the end of the year.

Plus if hodge, burgoyne and gibbo all happen to retire this year- because they are playing for peanuts... it's not going to do much to swell the piggy bank either
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Your guess work is horrible.

If you think Clarkson and Wright head into a period where it's most experienced players are about to retire with the cap at capacity you've completely lost your mind.
 
hawkman said:
By the sounds of it there is going to be at least an extra million in the cap as well with the new CBA. Sure the existing players would probably take half of it but add that to the money from Hodge, Burgoyne and Gibson and the part of Mitchells contract we are still paying and there is likely to be $1.5m plus free
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Lol what.
 
Cap space means nothing on long term deals. Anyone can afford fyfe or Martin or anyone else they want as long as it's a long term deal (say 5 years). It's just weather or not clubs convince the player to come to their club and that theyre prepared to have the appetite to bite that much cap off
 
Abasi said:
Your guess work is horrible.

If you think Clarkson and Wright head into a period where it's most experienced players are about to retire with the cap at capacity you've completely lost your mind.
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They seemed to time it pretty well with three significant three agency pick ups. I find it hard to believe you guys can sign an extra $1.6-1.8 million worth of annual salaries in one off-season and still be at a claimed 95%. That's almost certainly a net increase on whoever left, no matter how back loaded their contracts were. Bruest and Duryea will need new contracts, might take a little bit extra to keep Burton as well; almost certainly going to be other clubs having a look. Certainly don't see Hawthorn having any more than an average-at-best space to lure new players with.
 
_Swoon said:
They seemed to time it pretty well with three significant three agency pick ups. I find it hard to believe you guys can sign an extra $1.6-1.8 million worth of annual salaries in one off-season and still be at a claimed 95%. That's almost certainly a net increase on whoever left, no matter how back loaded their contracts were. Bruest and Duryea will need new contracts, might take a little bit extra to keep Burton as well; almost certainly going to be other clubs having a look. Certainly don't see Hawthorn having any more than an average-at-best space to lure new players with.
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Who claimed we were at 95%?

We certainly aren't full, and we'll have even more room to move when Hodge, Burgoyne and Gibson retire(and trade 1 or 2).

Burton has already extended his contract to 2018. Bruest and Duryea won't be getting large increases, if any.
 
The_Steadier said:
Well you got me.
I can't argue logic against a guy proclaiming blind faith in deities.
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Derp. Blind faith would mean that Clarkson, the 4 time premiership coach has no runs on the board at reinvigorating and refreshing a list.

Have you been living under a rock?

If you think Clarkson and Wright head into this period of their list strategy without cap space or a plan to refresh the list even further you know nothing about football, pure and simple.
 
The_Steadier said:
Well you got me.
I can't argue logic against a guy proclaiming blind faith in deities.
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You seem obsessed with potting the Hawks.

Anyone would think we were the team that has won SFA in 125 years rather than the Premiership winning factory that the Hawks are.

Have a little faith in the club that wins a Premiership around every 4 years for the last half a century, I have a sneeky feeling they know how to build a list a tad better than the team you follow.

Before you spout "stay on topic" it's hard when most of your rants display a serious dose of Hawk Envy.
 
TazHawk15 said:
You seem obsessed with potting the Hawks.

Anyone would think we were the team that has won SFA in 125 years rather than the Premiership winning factory that the Hawks are.

Have a little faith in the club that wins a Premiership around every 4 years for the last half a century, I have a sneeky feeling they know how to build a list a tad better than the team you follow.

Before you spout "stay on topic" it's hard when most of your rants display a serious dose of Hawk Envy.
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No one cares...
 
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