Rumour Nathan Bourkes callactive company pulled it's own George Colambrous 5 years ago

[Seadog]

What others have said ...

+ Employees wages (inc annual leave) is federally guaranteed under the GEERS system so staff would have received their entitlements. It would have taken time (3 - 12 months) but they would have received it eventually. Spare a thought for the business creditors who wouldn’t have been so lucky.

+ This kind of thing happens **all the time**. Google “ASIC insolvency notices”. Provided the company wasn’t trading while insolvent (rare and hard to prove) or some other fraud then there is nothing illegal. This is a scandal why?

+ If our society was one that went after the private assets of people whose business failed ...

... what kind of society would we be? Who’d be mad enough go into business and employ people? Where would jobs come from? The government would be the only employer - it’d be like one of those basket case socialist countries.

+ Running a business and employing staff and having more money come in than what goes out is friggen’ hard. Sometimes (often) s**t happens. If business didn’t take any risks, what kind of an economy would we have? Answer: negative inflation -> recession -> people losing their jobs -> back to where you started.

Really? People shouldn't whinge about not being paid because business is hard, working without getting paid is hard, it's theft and fraud pure and simple, if your business can't afford wages it's not a viable business.
And yes I have owned a couple of small businesses, with one my wife ran she worked 70 hrs a week and didn't pull a wage for the first 2 years but the employees always got paid properly, to do otherwise is greedy, shameful and dishonest.

 

[76woodenspooners]

Really? People shouldn't whinge ...

People can and do whinge about whatever they want to.

about not being paid because business is hard, working without getting paid is hard, it's theft and fraud pure and simple, if your business can't afford wages it's not a viable business.
And yes I have owned a couple of small businesses, with one my wife ran she worked 70 hrs a week and didn't pull a wage for the first 2 years but the employees always got paid properly, to do otherwise is greedy, shameful and dishonest.

Did your wife always have set aside full staff redundancy packages in the event her company went belly up? Including notice period? Including redundancy period? Including outstanding holiday entitlements?

Did your wife not separate her personal assets from her company assets? If her company went belly up could creditors come after her personal assets?

Didn’t think so.

 

[Pacman Carney]

CallActive formerly Vertex Australia, formerly PCI, a company that had been in operation for 40 years.

Company's change names, doesn't mean anything sinister went on, I'd guess its a rebranding exercise to rejuvenate their look, trends change and companies change their view on how they want their interaction points to be seen, Bieng a call centre I'd imagine it'd be imperative to be on trend for the likes of Telstra and Coles, who all moved their call centres off shore around this period.(2013), company went bankrupt in 2014.

I don't know Burke, I don't know this company, but this is some seriously tin foil hat theory.

no tin foil on my behalf. I was just giving some history to the original poster.
Telstra never "moved their call centre off shore around this period (2013)" as you stated.
Telstra have had a large element of call centre services in the Philippines since 2008 or even before.
a competetitor of call active of the day is still very much calling on behalf of Telstra in Australia to this very day.
the work call active lost went mainly to this competitor.
cant speak for Coles.
the issues were call active never flexed with the changing times and lower commission (certainly paid by Telstra) the Allan boys kept living the high life.
I'm casting no asperations on Burke. He was given a job he wasn't suited for, as I said earlier, the Allan's are StKilda tragic's and wanted to give their favourite player a job.

 

[76woodenspooners]

All the people in this thread trying to justify screwing over employees..

Nobody is condoning screwing over employees.

And apart from a claim that superannuation entitlements hadn’t been paid for 12 months (that’s poor form) then no staff in Australia got screwed over.

People are owed the rest of their salary.

The wages were was never fully received, and the prick kept his mansion. That's what actually matters to the people unless you're a trash hick wage slave advocate from queensland.

No they’re not. They got paid under FEG.

(I have been through this full process first hand so I know exactly how it works)

Anybody who is telling you that “they are owed the rest of their salary” are either

(1) In New Zealand
(2) Weren’t an employee (eg: were a contractor NOT going through an agency)
(3) Are referring to their superannuation entitlements
(4) Are telling you fibs
(5) Are greedy and are trying to double dip.

Get a clue. Repossess the f*n mansion sell it and give people their money I don't care what it takes.

What should happen if one of the companies you’ve invested in through your superannuation fund went belly up? Should the staff of that company be able to come after your personal assets for their entitlements?

Of course they shouldn’t.

So what makes you think that the staff of Call Active are entitled to any claim over the personal assets of their owners?

I was in the living room when we received call from Nathan Burke himself offering a meet and greet as damage control.

Once the administrators were called in he wouldn’t have been able to do anything even if he wanted to.

You've got a handful of people justifying a boss leaving his employees dry instead of condemning the crooked boss.

Can you point me to evidence that the administrators (SV Partners) recommended to ASIC that the directors had acted improperly?

 

[Mat Mann]

Wow funny, the only google expert here is you. I have personal accounts of people not receiving their pay and being left dry by these people.

All the people in this thread trying to justify screwing over employees.. because of payroll changes lol. I don't care what changes mate. People are owed the rest of their salary. Get a clue. Repossess the f*n mansion sell it and give people their money I don't care what it takes.

Your google facts couldn't be any more wrong. I was in the living room when we received call from Nathan Burke himself offering a meet and greet as damage control. He didn't leave the company before it collapsed, he left because it collapsed. We told him to (politely) fu** off and pay the money. The wages were was never fully received, and the prick kept his mansion. That's what actually matters to the people unless you're a trash hick wage slave advocate from queensland.

Amazing the amount of keyboard warriors and wage slave advocates are in this thread. You've got a handful of people justifying a boss leaving his employees dry instead of condemning the crooked boss. No wonder this country is completely f’ed the people in it are rubbish!

I've been through it myself, 12 years for the same company and get to work one day and told you don't have a job is tough. It took over 3 months to receive my wages, but the FEG scheme did what's its supposed to do.
the Fair Entitlements Guarantee Act 2012. provides for wages/sick/Annual/and long service leave and there are numerous articles saying that the employees where cared for under that provision.

You keep calling him a prick like he owned the company....... I won't change your mind but your venting about the wrong bloke for the company's demise

 

[Mat Mann]

no tin foil on my behalf. I was just giving some history to the original poster.
Telstra never "moved their call centre off shore around this period (2013)" as you stated.
Telstra have had a large element of call centre services in the Philippines since 2008 or even before.
a competetitor of call active of the day is still very much calling on behalf of Telstra in Australia to this very day.
the work call active lost went mainly to this competitor.
cant speak for Coles.
the issues were call active never flexed with the changing times and lower commission (certainly paid by Telstra) the Allan boys kept living the high life.
I'm casting no asperations on Burke. He was given a job he wasn't suited for, as I said earlier, the Allan's are StKilda tragic's and wanted to give their favourite player a job.

Telstra stopped working with CallActive I probably should have said.

 

[1991firstgamer]

Wow -you have no idea about business do you. Things like tax and employment law are incredibly complicated and filled with grey areas. The law leaves it up to employers to pay thousands and thousands to advisors and ensure their own compliance, with the regulators able to then swan in and make a snap ruling on an individual circumstance that can only be disputed through the courts (costing hundreds of thousands to millions of dollars to fight).

To manage this risk (among others) most sensible people would have their business in a separate entity to other assets (eg their house). If the business is insolvent and does not trade when insolvent, the Director's other assets are protected. The reason they get to keep "their" mansion is that it isn't owned by the business (probably is in wife's name or family trust).

The solution here would be to simplify employment law so there aren't so many classifications/penalty rates etc so it is very obvious what is owed to whom.

Wow that's some sort of spin

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[1991firstgamer]

Nobody is condoning screwing over employees.

And apart from a claim that superannuation entitlements hadn’t been paid for 12 months (that’s poor form) then no staff in Australia got screwed over.




No they’re not. They got paid under FEG.

(I have been through this full process first hand so I know exactly how it works)

Anybody who is telling you that “they are owed the rest of their salary” are either

(1) In New Zealand
(2) Weren’t an employee (eg: were a contractor NOT going through an agency)
(3) Are referring to their superannuation entitlements
(4) Are telling you fibs
(5) Are greedy and are trying to double dip.



What should happen if one of the companies you’ve invested in through your superannuation fund went belly up? Should the staff of that company be able to come after your personal assets for their entitlements?

Of course they shouldn’t.

So what makes you think that the staff of Call Active are entitled to any claim over the personal assets of their owners?



Once the administrators were called in he wouldn’t have been able to do anything even if he wanted to.



Can you point me to evidence that the administrators (SV Partners) recommended to ASIC that the directors had acted improperly?

Comparing superannuation to other employee benefits? You don't sound qualified to comment at all.

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[76woodenspooners]

Comparing superannuation to other employee benefits? You don't sound qualified to comment at all.

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It’s not me that’s comparing them, it’s the FEG program ...

... superannuation is not covered, other entitlements are.

Frequently asked questions

FAQs about the Fair Entitlements Guarantee (FEG)

www.ag.gov.au

 

[n1ck]

How is a company going belly up, Nathan Burke's fault?
Even if he was GM of HR or whatever he was, he's not the CEO, not the owner, doesn't manage payroll or anything.

Sounds like if nothing else he was just trying to be human in a sad and scary time for alot of people - yourself included by the sounds - but yo're taking your anger out on the wrong bloke.