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Collingwood have a habit of saying a slight twang 2 weeks when they have actually cut through their carotid artery, but I'm betting your medics knew that going in. Hope for his sake and yours it's a minor set back. Bad luck for the kid, good luck with it. We are not all haters (of the saints or ex players!), cheers
 
Periphery said:
Except you have no idea what he was doing when he did it. He could have been running at 100% effort for all we know.

When Rioli was having all his hammy troubles in 2014 the Hawks changed up his rehab so that he was doing 100% effort runs in it. They acknowledged that it would increase the chances of an incident at training, but that at least in the controlled environment they could manage his workload and it would get his body used to working at that level. This appeared to work perfectly as he played 20 H&A games for the first time in 3 years and only the 3rd time in his career.

I fully expect that we would be doing something similar with Freeman.
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Yea I get that but a modified program is a modified one I really don't think he was going full tilt.

I understand the Rioli situation, but you also may notice that he actually can't play as a full-time mid as the go twang everytime he tries too. Even with his changed running style and all.
 
DarkSaint said:
Yea I get that but a modified program is a modified one I really don't think he was going full tilt.

I understand the Rioli situation, but you also may notice that he actually can't play as a full-time mid as the go twang everytime he tries too. Even with his changed running style and all.
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Cyril played spurts of on-ball
In 2015 & played every game?
 

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DarkSaint said:
Yea I get that but a modified program is a modified one I really don't think he was going full tilt.

I understand the Rioli situation, but you also may notice that he actually can't play as a full-time mid as the go twang everytime he tries too. Even with his changed running style and all.
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Jamie Cox said he wad running at full pace. Why are you incapable of reading or believing what Cox said about Freeman?
 
DarkSaint said:
I hope more than anyone here that the kid turns out to be a top 5 player on our list. The only trouble that I see with this is that as reported was on a modified training program when this occurred. Now I would be less at ease if the bloke was running 110km/h and twanged it than being on a restricted program. As others have said this is a boom or bust kind of trade and over the last 3 years there are some very very good payers available mid to low 20 in the draft. If we gave our 3rd then this would be a non issue as that is more of a speculative pick.

Hope the recovery is well and we see the kid running through the middle kicking it from 50 in the big dance.
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Please read the report on Freeman. He wad running at full pace Cox said.

Now that does not necessarily mean he strained it at full pace but may mean he was generally training at full pace.

Why won't you read the article on Freeman before posting?
I genuinely don't understand what you are trying to achieve?
 
DarkSaint said:
Apparently they did, but with reocurring injuries it's hard to tell if they can be sorted out. Some people get over them and some can just never make it onto the park.
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It is not a reoccurring injury. It is a hamstring strain in a different part of the muscle AS REPORTED BY COX IN THE ARTICLE.

sheesh:eek:

This is like a for phorcips birth
 
Joffaboy said:
It is not a reoccurring injury. It is a hamstring strain in a different part of the muscle AS REPORTED BY COX IN THE ARTICLE.

sheesh:eek:

This is like a for phorcips birth
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Once you do a hammy the whole muscle becomes significantly weaker as other tendons and fibres take up more of the slack. Which in his case has caused a different part to tweak.
 
SincMagic said:
"Cox said Freeman, who did not play a senior game in his two years at Collingwood largely due to hamstring problems, had been running at full speed but not doing full football training, which he was due to begin after Christmas."

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/injury...-freeman-hamstrung-again-20151216-glp6ij.html
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Well that is fair enough then. So you would think that after the new year when they all resume training again that he would be in the main group doing football training.
 
DarkSaint said:
Well that is fair enough then. So you would think that after the new year when they all resume training again that he would be in the main group doing football training.
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That is a very good question. With his troubles and this latest setback, I don't think he should be rushed in any way.

To see him fully for and playing at any time this Coming season would be a bonus I reckon.
Really need a slowly slowly approach. Would be difficult on the young man but we should be looking at a ten year career not a two or three.

If this means cotton wool for 2016, I am cool with that. After all he is a 2016 second rounder that if we kept and used wouldn't ne in the seniors until 2017 at the earliest.
Anything from Freeman I believe is a bonus in 2016
 
DarkSaint said:
Once you do a hammy the whole muscle becomes significantly weaker as other tendons and fibres take up more of the slack. Which in his case has caused a different part to tweak.
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Suppose so I was splitting hairs a bit.

Talking about the Rioli case is interesting. Wouldn't mind Freeman doing a Cyrillic in our forward line if his hammies don't improve to allow full time mid.
Someone with his skill and pace will always get a gig somewhere on the field
 

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Joffaboy said:
That is a very good question. With his troubles and this latest setback, I don't think he should be rushed in any way.

To see him fully for and playing at any time this Coming season would be a bonus I reckon.
Really need a slowly slowly approach. Would be difficult on the young man but we should be looking at a ten year career not a two or three.

If this means cotton wool for 2016, I am cool with that. After all he is a 2016 second rounder that if we kept and used wouldn't ne in the seniors until 2017 at the earliest.
Anything from Freeman I believe is a bonus in 2016
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Yea i agree he shouldn't be rushed at all, and if it mean him being on a modified program all next year then so be it to get him right. All i was saying is that im pretty concerned that he already done a hammy and wasnt in the actual main group i.e kicking, tackling, twisting jumping etc etc.
 
Joffaboy said:
Suppose so I was splitting hairs a bit.

Talking about the Rioli case is interesting. Wouldn't mind Freeman doing a Cyrillic in our forward line if his hammies don't improve to allow full time mid.
Someone with his skill and pace will always get a gig somewhere on the field
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Yea he will need to develop his forward craft as i have no idea how he is like as a small forward, but if he can develop that and do a split of 50/50 between forward and middle, im all up for it if it means taking a bit of pressure on those hamstrings.
 
DarkSaint said:
Yea i agree he shouldn't be rushed at all, and if it mean him being on a modified program all next year then so be it to get him right. All i was saying is that im pretty concerned that he already done a hammy and wasnt in the actual main group i.e kicking, tackling, twisting jumping etc etc.
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Fair enough. You are entitled to be concerned, I think we all are. I hope for the best and that it is just a minor setback.

if that's the worst that happens to him, I will be pleased
 
Joffaboy said:
Fair enough. You are entitled to be concerned, I think we all are. I hope for the best and that it is just a minor setback.

if that's the worst that happens to him, I will be pleased
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Dont get me wrong, if he can reach his potential then he will be one of the best players on our list. I hope for all our sake that he does because thats one position we need to get elite talent in.
 
If he has to split it, I'd probably prefer him to work on his inside game, rather than his forward game. If he can do some clearance work, that shouldn't strain the hammy too much, but will be more valuable for the team than ANOTHER small/medium forward.
 
MagpieJo said:
Excuse the intrusion.
Collingwood have a habit of saying a slight twang 2 weeks when they have actually cut through their carotid artery, but I'm betting your medics knew that going in. Hope for his sake and yours it's a minor set back. Bad luck for the kid, good luck with it. We are not all haters (of the saints or ex players!), cheers
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StKilda would NEVER do this, and Aaron Hamill will be back playing in two weeks. Mark my words.
 

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Just talking to a Crows mate of mine, who was talking about the hammy woes of one Sam Shaw. The Sloane Ranger , NikkiNoo , do you know much about that, or know the main people who do?
 
Persevering Saint said:
Just talking to a Crows mate of mine, who was talking about the hammy woes of one Sam Shaw. The Sloane Ranger , NikkiNoo , do you know much about that, or know the main people who do?
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Sam had surgery that removed a bone sized chunk off his hamstring during the last pre-season that had calcified. The club posted a pic of it from memory and it was about the size of a rock that could fit into the palm of your hand! It took him a while to recover from the surgery and then get back up to speed. He came back early to mid-year in our SANFL side and played decently. Prior to the surgery he was renowned for one of the worst kicks in the league according to crows fans, up there rivalling with John Butcher. Since the surgery I've only seen a couple of stinkers of kicks from him (I attend most SANFL games). In fact I would say it is almost like he is a different player in that respect. Prior to his hamstring issues, which he developed in his late teenage years, he was known for having a decent kick on him. It seems like the surgery that was undertaken has really corrected the issue.

He was just doing lap running during the open training session this week, but I think the club is still taking a conservative approach with him regarding his training. He hasn't ever really completed a full pre-season before.

Also he played the two AFL games this season and did his job adequately both times. He was selected purely because of depth issues / injuries to first choice players, so when they were available he was dropped.

Hope that helps.
 
The_Steadier said:
I agree that it's a bonus if freeman plays- like that jesse whatshisname from north a few years ago.
Difference being of course we paid a whole lot less than a second round pick.

I'm still scratching my head as to how/why we paid market value + overs for an uncontracted player who nominated us (and only us).

That whole "to show we're good to deal with, so we can get jaeger etc" approach has already cost us PLENTY. (freeman + paying pick 5 AND a 2nd rounder for jake)

It had better amount to something otherwise we are just "good to deal with" because we're happy to get bent over the trade table!
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I was referring to next year, I'm in no hurry, I want him ready when the whips are cracking in 2017z
 

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