Player Watch Nathan Freeman

[sirlothie]

I think you have a very distorted opinion about what office workers earn

Average Australian full time wage is a tad over $74K

Where does one find an 'average' job paying 74k? Massively overpaid white collar crooks inflate that figure.

 

[regpies]

2yrs of hamstring problems, I'm starting to think he will have problems for the rest of his career. If we can get pick 20 out of Saints we should take it.

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

It's a credit to Swan Dog that he was able to move on from that BS suspension and continue to produce great footy. He loves the Pies that boy.

You're just changing the subject because you know that Bucks is not an alcoholic like you!

 

[76woodenspooners]

Where does one find an 'average' job paying 74k? Massively overpaid white collar crooks inflate that figure.

Seems to be the construction workers actually

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

Seems to be the construction workers actually

The less skilled you are, the more money you can command.

 

[jmac70]

You're just changing the subject because you know that Bucks is not an alcoholic like you!

Bucks is a machine.

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

Bucks is a machine.

Fueled by alcohol?

 

[tesselate_]

or become a lawyer or an investment banker and make heaps more money, do little work and get pissed all the time......you have to wonder about footballers decision-making sometimes

Hahahahahaha

 

[Saintly Viewed]

What, you don't think Bucks had any influence over their decision?!

May have, may not have
But i can see that is something Nick Maxwell would be into, it would drive me crazy.
These extra things i call noise, they are noise around the main tasks at hand.
But the noise dosnt achieve anything really, the class pets like macy love it, but they wouldnt put a toe out of line anyway.
Then there are the ones who may like one drink or so, and just get annoyed by self imposed nonsense.

 

[jmac70]

Fueled by alcohol?

Bucks was the most professional player of his era and even today would be in the top 1% of preparation. I doubt he has been pissed more than half a dozen times in his life.

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

May have, may not have
But i can see that is something Nick Maxwell would be into, it would drive me crazy.
These extra things i call noise, they are noise around the main tasks at hand.
But the noise dosnt achieve anything really, the class pets like macy love it, but they wouldnt put a toe out of line anyway.
Then there are the ones who may like one drink or so, and just get annoyed by self imposed nonsense.

I agree with you. All I am interested in is whether or not Buckley's attitude to alcohol in any way influenced the players' decision. It's not the sort of agreement I can conceive players making in isolation from the coach's philosophy and morality. Beams, Shaw and others who left the club liked a drink. Why did they feel uncomfortable remaining at the club/why were they moved on?

 

[Bard]

I agree with you. All I am interested in is whether or not Buckley's attitude to alcohol in any way influenced the players' decision. It's not the sort of agreement I can conceive players making in isolation from the coach's philosophy and morality. Beams, Shaw and others who left the club liked a drink. Why did they feel uncomfortable remaining at the club/why were they moved on?

They smelled bad and refused to shower on a more regular basis?

 

[jmac70]

I agree with you. All I am interested in is whether or not Buckley's attitude to alcohol in any way influenced the players' decision. It's not the sort of agreement I can conceive players making in isolation from the coach's philosophy and morality. Beams, Shaw and others who left the club liked a drink. Why did they feel uncomfortable remaining at the club/why were they moved on?

I don't think Bucks has a problem with the boys having a beer.

 

[Schraderbrau]

I saw Nathan a few weeks ago getting heavily intoxicated. This was straight after he strained his hamstring. Sent an email to the club and they were happy he was drinking whilst injured.

Was very disappointed a professional player was drinking heavily when injured. A sign of a person that isn't up to the standards of the AFL.

This is unAustralian imo

 

[Saintly Viewed]

I agree with you. All I am interested in is whether or not Buckley's attitude to alcohol in any way influenced the players' decision. It's not the sort of agreement I can conceive players making in isolation from the coach's philosophy and morality. Beams, Shaw and others who left the club liked a drink. Why did they feel uncomfortable remaining at the club/why were they moved on?

Dont think Nathan has any issues with having a beer or two even three.
Smells like a maxwell thing. He was so earnest. Like the kid in class that was the goody two shoes

 

[Gone Critical]

So it's a story from the far distant past, 20 yrs ago according to jmac. Then why did Swan get suspended by the players' group for having a drink after a pact among the players to ban alcohol during the season? Why do I constantly liken Buckley to the puritanical Oliver Cromwell, when posters here see him having more in common with the 'excesses' of Charles 1 or II? Am I alone in being oblivious to Bucks the closet pisspot? Am I the only defender of his pristine reputation or have you and others abandoned him for sake of a good story?

It was Jon Hassal who was the instigator. Half the team was involved including Buckley.

According to Buckley, in his own book, he was the instigator. He says he found out about the keys driving the carts and had a "stupid" idea while "milling around the bar". He said 3 or 4 of them took carts out in the dark. One cart crashed into a bunker causing some damage. One was left in a bunker and one rolled down an embankment. Sounds like he had had a few at least that night and he wrote a general comment that it took him a time to learn how to be professional. Up til that time he had combined grog and playing successfully. After the golf cart thing he swore off grog for the rest of the season.

Mick McGuane mentioned in the book he and Bucks were the last 2 standing on Bucks 1st Mad Monday at Collingwood. Also said if they had had a problem with each other they wouldn't have been drinking together. Bucks also talks about being out at the tunnel with McGuane early days til 5am then trying to climb into a mate of Micks pub after that (Willo there also). Bucks I think would understand that it's a learning process and I bet the club and coaches are a lot more sympathetic to young players making necessary adjustments to their lifestyle while watching their mates outside the club enjoy their youth than a lot on this board.

Tip for anyone seeing these guys out and about. Leave them alone, forget about them and don't text the club next day and expect to get a thank you.

The golf stuff and similar stories are in Bucks book "All I Can Be" page175-9 for anyone interested.

 

[Gone Critical]

Dont think Nathan has any issues with having a beer or two even three.
Smells like a maxwell thing. He was so earnest. Like the kid in class that was the goody two shoes

Agree with your sentiment on Bucks. Why so hard on Maxy though. I reckon he would enjoy a night out also.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

Agree with your sentiment on Bucks. Why so hard on Maxy though. I reckon he would enjoy a night out also.

My apologies, didnt mean to be hard on Maxy, hes been a club great. No doubt about that.
but ive heard him on SEN and he seems to like the player leadership type rules.
He struck me as absolutely getting everything out of himself,great effort etc.
Equally a fine captain,but at the same time super straight laced, and a tad earnest.
I guess, i like the players having great focus etc but i do question when they have some "extra team rules" because my guess is its driven by a few bigger personalities and may also annoy some players so they can be self defeating.
NB, this is not about rules like drink driving etc more about say no drinking at all during the week until say a flag is won, those sort of token rules.

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

Dont think Nathan has any issues with having a beer or two even three.
Smells like a maxwell thing. He was so earnest. Like the kid in class that was the goody two shoes

Goody two shoe types are not heavily represented in my favourite school and work memories. Petty gestapo types, brandishing their purity and faultlessness as weapons against normality, clambering over your body on their way to the top. Is this Maxwell?

 

[Gone Critical]

My apologies, didnt mean to be hard on Maxy, hes been a club great. No doubt about that.
but ive heard him on SEN and he seems to like the player leadership type rules.
He struck me as absolutely getting everything out of himself,great effort etc.
Equally a fine captain,but at the same time super straight laced, and a tad earnest.
I guess, i like the players having great focus etc but i do question when they have some "extra team rules" because my guess is its driven by a few bigger personalities and may also annoy some players so they can be self defeating.
NB, this is not about rules like drink driving etc more about say no drinking at all during the week until say a flag is won, those sort of token rules.

"Tad earnest" is a nice description. Reckon would sum him up perfectly. Hope not to the extend he can't get out and enjoy the hard work from time to time.

 

[jmac70]

Dont think Nathan has any issues with having a beer or two even three.
Smells like a maxwell thing. He was so earnest. Like the kid in class that was the goody two shoes

Was that the same guy who lifted the trophy?

 

[Gone Critical]

Goody two shoe types are not heavily represented in my favourite school and work memories. Petty gestapo types, brandishing their purity and faultlessness as weapons against normality, clambering over your body on their way to the top. Is this Maxwell?

Nah your captain had disipline but he had to be able to let go a little. With Dids, Shaw, Swanny, Johnno etc to control he couldn't be the petty gestapo type you describe. Had to have some balance.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

Was that the same guy who lifted the trophy?

Yes same guy.
Top captain, and like tony shaw got the most out of himself.
Hes a tad earnest thats all.
Incidently, hes improving on radio too. Very observant in tactics etc.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

Goody two shoe types are not heavily represented in my favourite school and work memories. Petty gestapo types, brandishing their purity and faultlessness as weapons against normality, clambering over your body on their way to the top. Is this Maxwell?

No thats not Maxy.
See posts above re Maxy.
Hes done very well etc

 

[jmac70]

Yes same guy.
Top captain, and like tony shaw got the most out of himself.
Hes a tad earnest thats all.
Incidently, hes improving on radio too. Very observant in tactics etc.

WTF does "a tad earnest" mean?