Nathan Fyfe vs Dustin Martin

[masai]

I can split them

One has two Norm smiths and two premierships and the other two have no norm smiths and no premierships

Dunno Fyfe in finals, could be like a Richo or Lockett, jet player but no sure in finals football. Clangerfield however doesn’t trust his teammates and tries to be the hero in finals and ends up the riddler for most Richmond supporters.

Id rank them based on finals performances which puts Martin at the top.

Fyfe second and Dangerfield a distant third. Tim Kelly carried Geelong in the last finals series.

Don’t just look at this past season, check on the players history in finals.

Fractured leg performances ?.

 

[Marcel Proust]

Shut the gate.

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NS > BL

 

[My Tilly]

Don’t just look at this past season, check on the players history in finals.

Fractured leg performances ?.

Or stop overrating your own player just because you are infatuated by him.

Another thing to consider is the quality of opposition. When Fyfe was appearing in the finals, his team was facing superior opposition than what Richmond/Martin face the last three years.
It's no fault of Martin's but when Sydney, Hawthorn and Geelong were still legitimate contenders, they were setting the finals landscape.

Today's teams such as Adelaide, GWS, Collingwood, Geelong, Melbourne, Essendon, Brisbane, while good sides, this is easily the weakest competition in many decades.

 

[Tiger2709]

And is also reliant on having a good team around him. You aren't a better player for being in a better team. He deserves credit for playing a big part in a successful team but that does not mean someone has to rank higher.

You would always prefer a premiership to a Brownlow but only one of those are individual awards.

All have had finals opportunities Dusty has put his name up with some of the best finals players in history.

There is not a lot else that seperates the three as players.

 

[Slysh]

All have had finals opportunities Dusty has put his name up with some of the best finals players in history.

There is not a lot else that seperates the three as players.

But they haven't had equal opportunity unless you think the 2012-15 Freo team was as good as this Richmond team.

 

[Tiger2709]

Or stop overrating your own player just because you are infatuated by him.

Another thing to consider is the quality of opposition. When Fyfe was appearing in the finals, his team was facing superior opposition than what Richmond/Martin face the last three years.
It's no fault of Martin's but when Sydney, Hawthorn and Geelong were still legitimate contenders, they were setting the finals landscape.

Today's teams such as Adelaide, GWS, Collingwood, Geelong, Melbourne, Essendon, Brisbane, while good sides, this is easily the weakest competition in many decades.

Can you show some proof to back up your theory?

Tigers would beat most of those teams of 10 years ago under todays rules not sure any of them would be fit/fast enough to keep up.

 

[My Tilly]

Can you show some proof to back up your theory?

Tigers would beat most of those teams of 10 years ago under todays rules not sure any of them would be fit/fast enough to keep up.

Proof of theory? Are you watching the sport today? It's as noticeable to the eye as what **** are to a baby.

What current rules disadvantage the great teams of 10 years ago?

This talk of not being fit enough is absurd. It's like some supporters stopped following the game and now their team is back winning again, they begin paying attention and have formed their opinions of superior fitness, superior speed and strength.
Hawthorn or Geelong were competing against teams with identical game play as what Richmond have today. Ross Lyon's St Kilda and Fremantle are no different to Richmond. Only difference is Richmond don't have great teams standing in their way so they are getting through to the grand final relatively care free.

Next year, Richmond won't even make the top 4 and grand final as the style of game is not made for longevity. St Kilda and Fremantle couldn't maintain it and they had a significantly better midfield.

 

[Tackle Bag]

Proof of theory? Are you watching the sport today? It's as noticeable to the eye as what **** are to a baby.

What current rules disadvantage the great teams of 10 years ago?

This talk of not being fit enough is absurd. It's like some supporters stopped following the game and now their team is back winning again, they begin paying attention and have formed their opinions of superior fitness, superior speed and strength.
Hawthorn or Geelong were competing against teams with identical game play as what Richmond have today. Ross Lyon's St Kilda and Fremantle are no different to Richmond. Only difference is Richmond don't have great teams standing in their way so they are getting through to the grand final relatively care free.

Next year, Richmond won't even make the top 4 and grand final as the style of game is not made for longevity. St Kilda and Fremantle couldn't maintain it and they had a significantly better midfield.

Topic to be discussed in a different thread but I’d say there are significant differences between what Richmond are doing and Ross Lyons StKilda/Freo style.

 

[Niggles]

Or stop overrating your own player just because you are infatuated by him.

Another thing to consider is the quality of opposition. When Fyfe was appearing in the finals, his team was facing superior opposition than what Richmond/Martin face the last three years.
It's no fault of Martin's but when Sydney, Hawthorn and Geelong were still legitimate contenders, they were setting the finals landscape.

Today's teams such as Adelaide, GWS, Collingwood, Geelong, Melbourne, Essendon, Brisbane, while good sides, this is easily the weakest competition in many decades.

Yes, nothing could ever match your Geelong of 10 years ago. Even in 100 years time, Geelong of that era will be remembered as the best ever....ever
The competition has obviously been weak ever since. No teams ever can match the 07-11 era. Soooo strong.

 

[HTT]

Proof of theory? Are you watching the sport today? It's as noticeable to the eye as what **** are to a baby.

What current rules disadvantage the great teams of 10 years ago?

This talk of not being fit enough is absurd. It's like some supporters stopped following the game and now their team is back winning again, they begin paying attention and have formed their opinions of superior fitness, superior speed and strength.
Hawthorn or Geelong were competing against teams with identical game play as what Richmond have today. Ross Lyon's St Kilda and Fremantle are no different to Richmond. Only difference is Richmond don't have great teams standing in their way so they are getting through to the grand final relatively care free.

Next year, Richmond won't even make the top 4 and grand final as the style of game is not made for longevity. St Kilda and Fremantle couldn't maintain it and they had a significantly better midfield.

So same story as pre 2018 and pre 2019?

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

Finals performances were never this important when Richo was playing.

What’s changed?

 

[Steven Gerrard]

Can you show some proof to back up your theory?

Tigers would beat most of those teams of 10 years ago under todays rules not sure any of them would be fit/fast enough to keep up.

In the last 3 years Richmond's biggest game of the year has been:

2017 vs Crows, grand final
2018 vs Collingwood, Prelim
2019 vs GWS, grand final

Conclusion, Richmond are only the GOAT side YOU think they are when they are playing interstate sides at their home ground, but are deadsest crapola when they play another big club who also calls the MCG its home ground. If you want to use any match as THE measuring stick to define Martin and Richmond, it's the 2018 prelim final, not this year's grand final against GWS FFS, where the tiger roar was being played though the loud speakers. If the 2017 grand final was played at AO, Richmond and Martin would have copped a severe beating because EVERYONE knows the Tigers don't travel too great, especially against the Crows in Adelaide.

Wake up and see it for what it is.

 

[Niggles]

In the last 3 years Richmond's biggest game of the year has been:

2017 vs Crows, grand final
2018 vs Collingwood, Prelim
2019 vs GWS, grand final

Conclusion, Richmond are only the GOAT side YOU think they are when they are playing interstate sides at their home ground, but are deadsest crapola when they play another big club who also calls the MCG its home ground. If you want to use any match as THE measuring stick to define Martin and Richmond, it's the 2018 prelim final, not this year's grand final against GWS FFS, where the tiger roar was being played though the loud speakers. If the 2017 grand final was played at AO, Richmond and Martin would have copped a severe beating because EVERYONE knows the Tigers don't travel too great, especially against the Crows in Adelaide.

Wake up and see it for what it is.

We have no problem beating your s**t team over there, and if we didn't play the crows missing 10 best 22, we would have quite easily done the job as well.

Chin up son, you're just a bit sulky because you are jealous. You'll get over it one day i'd imagine. Maybe when you get a bit older and mature. But until then, keep sooking. It sustains me.

 

[queensberryrules]

Fyfe is a great player, great to watch. He really needs another finals series opportunity to elevate his reputation further and supercede his previous failings in a GF when the game was on the line.

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[Tiger2709]

In the last 3 years Richmond's biggest game of the year has been:

2017 vs Crows, grand final
2018 vs Collingwood, Prelim
2019 vs GWS, grand final

Conclusion, Richmond are only the GOAT side YOU think they are when they are playing interstate sides at their home ground, but are deadsest crapola when they play another big club who also calls the MCG its home ground. If you want to use any match as THE measuring stick to define Martin and Richmond, it's the 2018 prelim final, not this year's grand final against GWS FFS, where the tiger roar was being played though the loud speakers. If the 2017 grand final was played at AO, Richmond and Martin would have copped a severe beating because EVERYONE knows the Tigers don't travel too great, especially against the Crows in Adelaide.

Wake up and see it for what it is.

This is hilarious, do you even watch the game?

 

[Slysh]

If we are going to talk about finals performances the 2015 Prelim from Fyfe is worth remembering. One of the best players on the field despite having a broken leg. Did everything he could to try and drag his team over the line that night. Incredible performance.

 

[Tiger2709]

Proof of theory? Are you watching the sport today? It's as noticeable to the eye as what **** are to a baby.

What current rules disadvantage the great teams of 10 years ago?

This talk of not being fit enough is absurd. It's like some supporters stopped following the game and now their team is back winning again, they begin paying attention and have formed their opinions of superior fitness, superior speed and strength.
Hawthorn or Geelong were competing against teams with identical game play as what Richmond have today. Ross Lyon's St Kilda and Fremantle are no different to Richmond. Only difference is Richmond don't have great teams standing in their way so they are getting through to the grand final relatively care free.

Next year, Richmond won't even make the top 4 and grand final as the style of game is not made for longevity. St Kilda and Fremantle couldn't maintain it and they had a significantly better midfield.

Third man up

Identical game play, are you serious, Richmonds style is nothing at all like Freo or Stkilda not even close.

The cats era only had 3 or 4 good teams its much harder now to win a flag with the two new teams, continued equalization.and the pre finals bye.

 

[Tiger2709]

If we are going to talk about finals performances the 2015 Prelim from Fyfe is worth remembering. One of the best players on the field despite having a broken leg. Did everything he could to try and drag his team over the line that night. Incredible performance.

Yeah he is a top player but Martin has twice been the best player in finals series and is only the 4th player in history to win 2 Norm Smiths.

 

[Slysh]

Yeah he is a top player but Martin has twice been the best player in finals series and is only the 4th player in history to win 2 Norm Smiths.

Yeah Dusty is a quality big game performer, just putting perspective in to the finals discussion around these two because some of the quieter games from Dusty seem to be ignored whilst Fyfe is judged harshly when he has for the most part delivered when he had the opportunity.

 

[AuntyBlindEye]

Proof of theory? Are you watching the sport today? It's as noticeable to the eye as what **** are to a baby.

What current rules disadvantage the great teams of 10 years ago?

This talk of not being fit enough is absurd. It's like some supporters stopped following the game and now their team is back winning again, they begin paying attention and have formed their opinions of superior fitness, superior speed and strength.
Hawthorn or Geelong were competing against teams with identical game play as what Richmond have today. Ross Lyon's St Kilda and Fremantle are no different to Richmond. Only difference is Richmond don't have great teams standing in their way so they are getting through to the grand final relatively care free.

Next year, Richmond won't even make the top 4 and grand final as the style of game is not made for longevity. St Kilda and Fremantle couldn't maintain it and they had a significantly better midfield.

Genuinely not having a dig here or looking to troll/argue, but if Hawthorn and Geelong beat Freo and stk playing with the gamestyle the Tiges play with currently, Freo was a better team than us now, and we don't have great teams standing in our way doesn't that imply that a) the league as a whole is weaker now, or more even at least. Meaning that the perceived difficulty is relative. Or b) the tigers play that game style better than Freo or stk did.

We did get a couple flags out of it but we aren't as good as Freo was and the comp isn't as difficult as it was, so surely it all evens out right?

 

[Spanish_Fly]

Proof of theory? Are you watching the sport today? It's as noticeable to the eye as what **** are to a baby.

What current rules disadvantage the great teams of 10 years ago?

This talk of not being fit enough is absurd. It's like some supporters stopped following the game and now their team is back winning again, they begin paying attention and have formed their opinions of superior fitness, superior speed and strength.
Hawthorn or Geelong were competing against teams with identical game play as what Richmond have today. Ross Lyon's St Kilda and Fremantle are no different to Richmond. Only difference is Richmond don't have great teams standing in their way so they are getting through to the grand final relatively care free.

Next year, Richmond won't even make the top 4 and grand final as the style of game is not made for longevity. St Kilda and Fremantle couldn't maintain it and they had a significantly better midfield.

If you think Richmond play like Ross Lyons StKilda or Freo then I would suggest mate its you who is not watching the sport today.

 

[The wily weagle]

I'd go Martin, midfielders that consistently kick goals are worth their weight in gold

That's where Martin excels for me, when he gets going he can inflict some serious scoreboard pain on the opposition.

Fyfe can do the tough stuff just as well, but the scoreboard pressure Martin can apply puts him in front for me

 

[rado]

In the last 3 years Richmond's biggest game of the year has been:

2017 vs Crows, grand final
2018 vs Collingwood, Prelim
2019 vs GWS, grand final

Conclusion, Richmond are only the GOAT side YOU think they are when they are playing interstate sides at their home ground, but are deadsest crapola when they play another big club who also calls the MCG its home ground. If you want to use any match as THE measuring stick to define Martin and Richmond, it's the 2018 prelim final, not this year's grand final against GWS FFS, where the tiger roar was being played though the loud speakers. If the 2017 grand final was played at AO, Richmond and Martin would have copped a severe beating because EVERYONE knows the Tigers don't travel too great, especially against the Crows in Adelaide.

Wake up and see it for what it is.

Gee wiz someone’s still upset they got beaten at scary AO by a Richmond team with an avg age of 7 without Martin, Cotchin, Rance, Riewoldt.
We sure do travel well against you plebs haha

 

[queensberryrules]

Fyfe's GF implosion will haunt him and hurt his legacy, hope the young man gets another chance at it.

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[rado]

Shut the gate.

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Cute.