Nathan Lyon 2016-17

[Zach Package]

If we're just going on stats let me tell you about our lord and saviour Adam Voges

 

[LukeParkerno1]

My issue with him is his absolute reluctance to bowl one that goes the other way. Swann being one of the greatest traditional off spinner always had a great arm ball

 

[Demosthenes]

You know an arm ball doesn't go the other way, right? It gets a little swing at most.

Pretty much no finger spinners bowl one that goes the other way, because the doosra is effectively impossible to bowl legally.

 

[ioppolo]

You know an arm ball doesn't go the other way, right? It gets a little swing at most.

Pretty much no finger spinners bowl one that goes the other way, because the doosra is effectively impossible to bowl legally.

I raise you WA's Liam O'Connor, the offie who manages to bowl leggies.

 

[Kram]

My issue with him is his absolute reluctance to bowl one that goes the other way. Swann being one of the greatest traditional off spinner always had a great arm ball

 

[The Swans Blog]

You could understand the thought of SOKs armball going the other way, bowling left arm around the wicket to right handers.

 

[PhatBoy]

You could understand the thought of SOKs armball going the other way, bowling left arm around the wicket to right handers.

It would have to be an optical illusion though wouldn't it unless it either bounces erratically off the seam or there's some revolutions the other way.

There are ways to bowl it without throwing. Ashwin and Narine both do it (even though they've had unrelated problems with their action anyway) because they use their forefinger behind the ball rather than over it.

 

[Zach Package]

I raise you WA's Liam O'Connor, the offie who manages to bowl leggies.

But they don't spin in, he basically just bowls inswingers because his action is rooted

 

[The Swans Blog]

It would have to be an optical illusion though wouldn't it unless it either bounces erratically off the seam or there's some revolutions the other way.

There are ways to bowl it without throwing. Ashwin and Narine both do it (even though they've had unrelated problems with their action anyway) because they use their forefinger behind the ball rather than over it.

Its just that his armball swings late then goes straight on. The height and angle give the illusion of reverse spin, but its just swing and drift.

The Kohli dismissal is a perfect example.

 

[Kram]

Going alright so far today..

 

[Sketi]

In a ripping spell, looks really dangerous.

This thread should not be a thing.

 

[frankrizzo]

5 drops off him this series, must have been around 15 in the home summer if our lot actually start backing him up once in a while his figures might look half decent.

 

[Shifty1]

In a ripping spell, looks really dangerous.

This thread should not be a thing.

Until the Matt Priddis thread is closed, this thread stays open.

 

[The Swans Blog]

Good on him for 5 wickets

 

[dogs105]

Good on him for 5 wickets

6 so far

 

[Magma]

niiiiccceee chunkkkyyyyyyyy

 

[Kram]

I'll try to keep these stats up to date:

Player|O|E|B|M|R|W|E/R|S/R|R/W|R/I|W/I|Innings\
Lyon|259.5|0|1559| 34| 922| 22| 3.55| 70.86| 41.91| 70.92| 1.69| 13\
O'Keefe| 65.1| 0| 391| 13| 173| 16| 2.66| 24.44| 10.81| 43.25| 4.00| 4

tl;dr

Lyon is overrated, his summer performance have been atrocious and has been completely out bowled by SOK the last 2 Australian tests. SOK's test stats back up his FC record, Lyons' don't. Lyon has been tonked for a ton of runs, often going wicketless and conceding 100+ in almost every innings. SOK has been tidy, efficient and sometimes very effective. Lyon should have been dropped after the 2nd SA test fiasco.
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There's a lot of debate over Nathan Lyon, and if it wasn't for SOKs indiscretions and fitness issues aside, Lyon may not even be in the test team.

You would all remember that after the Proteas debacle the call was put out to the FC players to find a replacement for underperforming players in the test side. A few deserved the chop (M.Marsh, Lyon, Burns, Mennie, Ferguson, Voges), while I think most would agree that Nevill was harshly and unfairly dealt with.

Lyon somehow survived the cull, but it wasn't with merit. His first innings performance was a bit s**t considering the overall bowling performance, but recovered in the 2nd innings to snare 3 wickets. Until the 3rd match, he'd taken just 2 wickets @ 120.5, a truly diabolical rate. He finished the series with 6/346, averaging just under 60, so not too bad, but for a primary bowler, still very ordinary.

And then Pakistan happened. While the Pakistanis almost pulled off a miracle win (what would have been the most embarrassing loss of all time for any team, anywhere in the history of test cricket), Lyon was on the end of the 'tonk' treatment. For the match he took 2/139 off 40 overs, just under 70. He improved in the 2nd match, taking 4/148, but 1/115 in the first innings, then finished off the series with 5/215, 100 or more in both innings.

The last match is the first time Lyon and O'Keefe bowled together for the 2016/17 summer. SOK took 4 @ 25.75, while Lyon took 5 @ 43. Has anything changed in India? No. Considering India scored bugger all (212), he still conceded a third of their runs. His stats are a lot better, 5 @ 14.8, but SOK took a ridiculous 12 @ 5.8, SOK's strike rate is also less than half of Lyons.

There was a robust argument here and in the media about whether or not Smith was using Lyon correctly. It was clear that Smith didn't have confidence in his ability to lock down an end, or to make the breakthrough. Lyon himself was lacking confidence in Australian conditions and seriously struggled. The fact that SOK playing his 2nd test averaged 25 and Lyon playing almost his 70th test averaged 43 in favourable conditions reflects the difference in confidence and ability of the two.

Is Lyon overrated? In my mind he is, and his career stats don't paint a great picture, certainly not of a strike bowler, but one that's struggled for consistency in between fantastic performances. There's been games when he's dominated and brought home the bacon, but far too many games when he's been hit to all corners, barely getting 2 or 3, but conceding almost half the oppositions score. Conceding 315 in a dead rubber is a pretty s**t performance. Even his best bowling figures in Australia is poor, 7/152 -consider that he was 1/100+ before India tried to slap him out of the park. At least he can console himself with his 7/94 against India in India, pretty good effort (@4/over), but still ultimately lost by 6 wickets, getting turkey slapped in the 2nd innings.

SOK vs Lyon bowling together
Economy rate: SOK
Strike rate: SOK
Average: SOK
Wickets: SOK
Man of the match: SOK

Lyon's career was saved by SOK not being ready in time, but only just.

8 for 50, great thread

 

[dogs105]

GOAT

 

[Sketi]

Hahahaha

 

[Holden Hillbilly]

8/50 best ever figures - 7 behind Benaud and then only Warne ahead of him as a spinner.

 

[The Swans Blog]

Geez that's pretty ******* good effort, hat off to him. Maybe my roast gave him a kick

 

[Marklar_33]

Lolololol good thread

Will never read again

 

[to1994]

Lmao

 

[ioppolo]

O'Keefe fired him up after the first test.

 

[dogs105]

Geez that's pretty ******* good effort, hat off to him. Maybe my roast gave him a kick

Get stuck into Warner, quickly