Nathan Van Berlo

[Crow-mosone]

How do you replace your best CHF prospect?????

Good ruckmen and CHF are the hardest to find. You build a team around a gun CHF.

you draft another one

if prior to the 2003 draft (lets face it, watts was expected to come to us), the doggies offered us the No.1 pick for our no.14 + reilly - to quote fanto it would be pants down time...

Now nothing has really changed since. Watts looks a decent prospect, Reilly is coming into his own, but both a teen draft picks, and you'd swap them for a no.1

In any trade, the team who gets the best player usually wins. in this, highly unlikely, scenario we get the best player. therefore over the next 10 years we could expect to come out in front.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

WOuld you involve Reilly in such deal????

Thats real tough?
As much as I rate Reilly, I would do that deal.

Might have to involve another draft pick to appease the Bulldogs and their supporters though.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Thats real tough?
As much as I rate Reilly, I would do that deal.

Might have to involve another draft pick to appease the Bulldogs and their supporters though.

I wasn't expecting Reilly for Cooney straight swap, because that would never happen. We would have to throw in a pick (most probably mid 1st rounder).

I would also do it. As much as I rate Reilly, Cooney is a better player and another bonus is that he is quicker and a local lad too.

Question: In history of our club has there ever been a victorian draftee that has played out his career in Adelaide??????

My guess is no.

 

[Stiffy_18]

you draft another one

Easier said that done.

If it was that easy those types of players wouldn't be the most wanted commodity in the draft and their trade value wouldn't be that high.

 

[macca23]

I'm surprised how highly people rate Cooney, and what they would trade for him.

At this stage he's shown he'll be a good player, but just how good is yet to be proven.

You might all be eventually proven correct, but no way would I sell the farm to get him.

 

[Crow-mosone]

Easier said that done.

If it was that easy those types of players wouldn't be the most wanted commodity in the draft and their trade value wouldn't be that high.

you overrate Fergus' progress so far. we drafted a CHF with a mid/late 1st round pick. after year 1 he looks alright.

we don't know yet whether he will meet, exceeded, or fallen short of his draft position yet. He's a 1st round prospect that's all. A prospect drafted considerably after Cooney.

Nothing has changed from the deal we would have done in a second.
At this stage we'd bite their hand off for that deal.

I'll say it again the team who gets the best player in trade nearly always wins, and it's a fiction to think Cooney is not clearly the best player in that 3 way. Maybe in 2 years time it will be different, we might know more, but right now we do the deal. hypothetically of course.

 

[Crow-mosone]

I'm surprised how highly people rate Cooney, and what they would trade for him.

At this stage he's shown he'll be a good player, but just how good is yet to be proven.

You might all be eventually proven correct, but no way would I sell the farm to get him.

he looked bloody fantastic in the last 6 - 8 games of the season.

 

[macca23]

he looked bloody fantastic in the last 6 - 8 games of the season.

He averaged less than 9 disposals per game for the first 15 games he played.

He hit a hot spot in the last 4 games of the year averging 22 disposals per game, which took his average for the year to 11.

So really all these favourable assessments are based on 4 games and ignoring his other 15.

He can play, but stats don't justify giving up 2 1st rounders for him.

 

[Stiffy_18]

I'm surprised how highly people rate Cooney, and what they would trade for him.

At this stage he's shown he'll be a good player, but just how good is yet to be proven.

You might all be eventually proven correct, but no way would I sell the farm to get him.

C'mon macca23, surely we can judge him as an 18 year old in his first year of AFL footy.

If he started off like a house on fire and dried up in the end then I would be worried but the fact that he got better as the season went on says that he si improving.

I would trade for him anytime but I wouldn't be trading away Watts as part of the deal.

 

[Stiffy_18]

you overrate Fergus' progress so far. we drafted a CHF with a mid/late 1st round pick. after year 1 he looks alright.

we don't know yet whether he will meet, exceeded, or fallen short of his draft position yet. He's a 1st round prospect that's all. A prospect drafted considerably after Cooney.

Nothing has changed from the deal we would have done in a second.
At this stage we'd bite their hand off for that deal.

I'll say it again the team who gets the best player in trade nearly always wins, and it's a fiction to think Cooney is not clearly the best player in that 3 way. Maybe in 2 years time it will be different, we might know more, but right now we do the deal. hypothetically of course.

I would love to have Cooney but not at the expense of both Reilly and Watts. I would rather trade Reilly and 1st rounder than Reilly and Watts.

While your points are correct I think we also need to take into account that Watts wasn't even expected to play in his first year but he did and showed some promising signs playing wiht OP.

We will agree to disagree on this one but I don't think the club will be so quick to trade Watts becasue they rate him extremely highly and see him the player to build the forward line around down the track.

 

[macca23]

C'mon macca23, surely we can judge him as an 18 year old in his first year of AFL footy.

If he started off like a house on fire and dried up in the end then I would be worried but the fact that he got better as the season went on says that he si improving.

I would trade for him anytime but I wouldn't be trading away Watts as part of the deal.

Didn't say I wouldn't trade for him, Stiffy. I'm saying that his performances don't justify 2 1st round picks, or the equivalent thereof.

Not even Josh Carr rated that.

 

[Stiffy_18]

He averaged less than 9 disposals per game for the first 15 games he played.

He hit a hot spot in the last 4 games of the year averging 22 disposals per game, which took his average for the year to 11.

So really all these favourable assessments are based on 4 games and ignoring his other 15.

He can play, but stats don't justify giving up 2 1st rounders for him.

Stats are not the most reliable measure especially in this case.

Cooney was not getting decent game time earlier on and when he was getting his limited game time he played mostly as a HFF. When Rhode finally released him into the midfield and gave him at least 3 quarters each game the kid was superb.

I would be very interested to see his stats on game time in each of the games. I am sure his game time in first 15 games and last 4-5 games would be fairly different.

 

[Crow-mosone]

I would love to have Cooney but not at the expense of both Reilly and Watts. I would rather trade Reilly and 1st rounder than Reilly and Watts.

While your points are correct I think we also need to take into account that Watts wasn't even expected to play in his first year but he did and showed some promising signs playing wiht OP.

We will agree to disagree on this one but I don't think the club will be so quick to trade Watts becasue they rate him extremely highly and see him the player to build the forward line around down the track.

i am not having a go at ferg, he has shown some promise, but right now he is just a 1st rounder. hopefully that will change. Reilly + 1st round = Reilly + Watts.

Let's say he develops into a petrie standard player, I'd be happy with that. However, in that case, I'd bite the doggies hand off to sign that trade.

 

[Markthirtytwo]

I wasn't expecting Reilly for Cooney straight swap, because that would never happen. We would have to throw in a pick (most probably mid 1st rounder).

I would also do it. As much as I rate Reilly, Cooney is a better player and another bonus is that he is quicker and a local lad too.

Question: In history of our club has there ever been a victorian draftee that has played out his career in Adelaide??????

My guess is no.

You seriously think that much of Cooney?

 

[Crow-mosone]

He can play, but stats don't justify giving up 2 1st rounders for him.

he is last years no.1 pick who has done nothing to suggest he should have been anything less. easily worth 2 late first rounders.

 

[Crow-mosone]

Didn't say I wouldn't trade for him, Stiffy. I'm saying that his performances don't justify 2 1st round picks, or the equivalent thereof.

Not even Josh Carr rated that.

at no stage of his career, today, tomorrow or yesterday has Josh Carr ever (or will ) been worth the no.1 pick in the draft.

 

[jc67]

Stats are not the most reliable measure especially in this case.

Cooney was not getting decent game time earlier on and when he was getting his limited game time he played mostly as a HFF. When Rhode finally released him into the midfield and gave him at least 3 quarters each game the kid was superb.

I would be very interested to see his stats on game time in each of the games. I am sure his game time in first 15 games and last 4-5 games would be fairly different.

IIRC there was a lot of talk that he was being excluded by some of the team, and was complaining that they wouldn't kick it to him or allow him to even get near it.
Does anyone else remember this??

 

[Stiffy_18]

You seriously think that much of Cooney?

Yes. Best unedrage SA player I have seen in the last 6 years

The kid has Brownlow written all over him IMHO

 

[slappy]

i have some doubts on cooney ... and skill wise he is actually quite poor.

tis a joke right?

anyway the most important thing for the crows to do is convince cooney that he wants come home ... if that happens then the bulldogs are stuffed coz they wont just let a #1 draft pick walk out the door for nothing

then all we gotta do is better port's offer which shouldnt be too hard if reilly really does want out

 

[macca23]

at no stage of his career, today, tomorrow or yesterday has Josh Carr ever (or will ) been worth the no.1 pick in the draft.

That's debatable. If Cooney and Carr had both been in the national draft this year, where would they have gone respectively? Who would teams have wanted?

Theoretical I know, but makes for an interesting argument/debate, doesn't it??

 

[Crow-mosone]

That's debatable. If Cooney and Carr had both been in the national draft this year, where would they have gone respectively? Who would teams have wanted?

Theoretical I know, but makes for an interesting argument/debate, doesn't it??

Cooney always. Carr is a good player, I happen to rate him more than I think i should, but he's not top shelf. He's not AA / brownlow calibre.

No.1 pick in the draft - a no debate, no talking, no doubt no.1
no one else was even mentioned in the frame for no.1.

Carr over Cooney is like Petrie over Riewoldt;
nice vs. top draw

 

[jack did it]

he is last years no.1 pick who has done nothing to suggest he should have been anything less. easily worth 2 late first rounders.

we dont really have to strength in our squad to give that up. port will though, if cooney is willing to go to the crows or the power, power will definitely get him

 

[jack did it]

You seriously think that much of Cooney?

thats what i said, his disposal is actually quite poor, its his ball winning ability that splits him from the rest. but he has a mans body so theres not as much improvement as everyone seems to think. last 5 or so games on fox last year were very good though, esepecailly at mcg i think it against essendon

 

[jack did it]

tis a joke right?

anyway the most important thing for the crows to do is convince cooney that he wants come home ... if that happens then the bulldogs are stuffed coz they wont just let a #1 draft pick walk out the door for nothing

then all we gotta do is better port's offer which shouldnt be too hard if reilly really does want out

sure aint if youve actually watched him this is the case, its what the proper experts say too

 

[jack did it]

carr is sooooooooo overrated before this year was a just a tagger, power did very well to get all three picks for him hes not worth that