Nation wide COLA equalisation of the salary cap

[beema limapep]

Is it fair to roll this out for all clubs in principle?

As a general indication, based on the following reference, a current salary cap of approx $11million and using Melbourne as the referenced base cost:-

https://www.expatistan.com/cost-of-living/country/australia

- Sydney is 15% more expensive, therefore increase Swans and Giants salary cap by $1.65million. id suspect Giants might be a bit less given western sydney as a region is a different kettle of fish than the rest of the city.

- Melbourne is neutral as the base cost. no change to the salary cap for teams based predominantly in Melbourne. The cats however would need to take a pay cut given Geelong is cheaper than Melbourne as a city.

- Brisbane is 2% less expensive, therefore reduce Lions salary cap by $0.22million

- Perth is 6% cheaper, therefore reduce the salary cap of Freo and WC by $0.66million

-Adelaide and Gold Coast are around 10% cheaper, therefore reduce the salary cap for suns power and crows by $1.10 million.

 

[Brezsa]

Or everyone just has the same salary cap

 

[beema limapep]

Or everyone just has the same salary cap

not really fair on some teams whilst Adelaide and Perth based teams, for example, mooch off the system.

in effect, if nothing is done, the true value of player payments for a team in Adelaide for example is %10 more than Melbourne teams.

 

[Nuggs Bunny]

not really fair on some teams whilst Adelaide and Perth based teams, for example, mooch off the system.

in effect, if nothing is done, the true value of player payments for a team in Adelaide for example is %10 more than Melbourne teams.

Nothing has been done already. Adelaide clubs aren't dominating the league so why do anything about it now?

 

[Grand Uncle Horace]

Its a bit like a reversal of the Grants Commission which provides the formula for allocation of GST payments to the States - fiscal equalisation. NSW and Victoria hate that system as both States have historically subsidised the other States. Qld and Tas have always supported equalisation.

There will never be Agreement. Rather than a COLA model I think there should be a tally for each Club on how much players earn outside their contracts. The tally would for example include payments for Footy Show appearances.

Some Clubs are able to use these devices to attract/retain players and 'supplement' their salary cap.

An annual audit of such payments could be used to equalise the salary cap.

 

[Thetrader15]

Might just be me but I don't think AFL players are too worried about the cost of living. It's not like they are struggling with their rent or hoping their card isn't maxed out when they pay for their shopping.

What needs to be looked at is the secondary agreements, post playing payments and rubbish ambassador roles the AFL throws out for no reason other than self interest.

How far would you take this...players at essendon get paid less than carlton as property values are significantly less (I'm assuming)

 

[beema limapep]

Nothing has been done already. Adelaide clubs aren't dominating the league so why do anything about it now?

its about equality of payment rather than equality of outcome. maybe clubs like Adelaide just need to get better at what they do with equal resources. seemingly theyve had a permanent leg up in this respect for years and years.

 

[Adelaide Hawk]

Or everyone just has the same salary cap

All 18 clubs playing under the same rules? What do you think this is, a competition?

 

[beema limapep]

Its a bit like a reversal of the Grants Commission which provides the formula for allocation of GST payments to the States - fiscal equalisation. NSW and Victoria hate that system as both States have historically subsidised the other States. Qld and Tas have always supported equalisation.

There will never be Agreement. Rather than a COLA model I think there should be a tally for each Club on how much players earn outside their contracts. The tally would for example include payments for Footy Show appearances.

Some Clubs are able to use these devices to attract/retain players and 'supplement' their salary cap.

An annual audit of such payments could be used to equalise the salary cap.

interesting.

do you think it would be easy to manage?

 

[Thetrader15]

Or let's look at the draft first...f/s, priority picks, academy players, eveness of the draw, gf location, etc etc.

*waiting for the "you joined our competition" comments, or the more recent "salty" favourite

 

[Thetrader15]

its about equality of payment rather than equality of outcome. maybe clubs like Adelaide just need to get better at what they do with equal resources. seemingly theyve had a permanent leg up in this respect for years and years.

Leg up? Huh? Can we check the afl payments to clubs for the last 20 years of you want to talk leg ups

 

[beema limapep]

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*waiting for the "you joined our competition" comments, or the more recent "salty" favourite[/QUOTE]
lets not go there please

 

[SilentHunter_]

As if this would happen after the outrage a few years ago.

 

[beema limapep]

*waiting for the "you joined our competition" comments, or the more recent "salty" favourite

lets not go there please

 

[Grand Uncle Horace]

interesting.

do you think it would be easy to manage?

No I think it would be difficult and rely on the honesty of clubs and the collective memory of what cap cheating can lead to.

Club marketing departments line up many of the non salary cap opportunities. These should relatively easy to audit. Third party arrangements organised through Player Managers would be harder, tho loss of accreditation may encourage honesty among Managers.

 

[liz]

All 18 clubs playing under the same rules? What do you think this is, a competition?

But equality and equity aren't the same thing.

In reality this is never going to happen. If the AFL did want to make some kind of adjustment, they'd do it via a variable rental allowance paid to players at the lower end of the salary spectrum where the difference in cost of living is most relevant. It's what they still do with the two NSW clubs. (When I say still, I mean that this system replaced the old Cost of Living Allowance).

 

[asanque]

Andrew Ireland hack your account or have we gone back in time?

The COLA is dead and for very good reason.

 

[Smokeless Wardance]

Gee I wonder why Adelaide is cheaper to live in...could it be that less people want to live there? Laughable to think a player would accept less money from an Adelaide team because property prices are cheaper

 

[Brezsa]

not really fair on some teams whilst Adelaide and Perth based teams, for example, mooch off the system.

in effect, if nothing is done, the true value of player payments for a team in Adelaide for example is %10 more than Melbourne teams.

Then do we also need to move the GC beaches to Melbourne, Adelaide and Perth?

The Perth weather, to Adelaide and Melbourne?

Melbourne as the most liveable city in the world, do we improve the liveability in the other cities or drop Melbourne’s?

There will always be pros & cons of every club and location to live in a national competition, it’s naive to think you can adjust money and suddenly everyone is equal.

Maybe all clubs can be forced to live and be based in Alice springs, with each club travelling from Alice Springs to their home venue to play for each weekend. Make sure as well all players shop at the same supermarket so they pay the same prices. Maybe the AFL should provide housing too, so everyone has the exact same size living room

 

[Oxirane]

You will also need QOLA (Quality of life adjustments) that counters the COLA. In addition to players submitting receipts for all their expenses to see where it is spent and to be audited to see if it is living related costs.

 

[beema limapep]

Then do we also need to move the GC beaches to Melbourne, Adelaide and Perth?

The Perth weather, to Adelaide and Melbourne?

Melbourne as the most liveable city in the world, do we improve the liveability in the other cities or drop Melbourne’s?

There will always be pros & cons of every club and location to live in a national competition, it’s naive to think you can adjust money and suddenly everyone is equal.

Maybe all clubs can be forced to live and be based in Alice springs, with each club travelling from Alice Springs to their home venue to play for each weekend. Make sure as well all players shop at the same supermarket so they pay the same prices. Maybe the AFL should provide housing too, so everyone has the exact same size living room

And i thought discussing salary caps with Carlton supporters would be more logical than 15 years ago....

 

[Cincinnatus]

Is it fair to roll this out for all clubs in principle?

As a general indication, based on the following reference, a current salary cap of approx $11million and using Melbourne as the referenced base cost:-

https://www.expatistan.com/cost-of-living/country/australia

- Sydney is 15% more expensive, therefore increase Swans and Giants salary cap by $1.65million. id suspect Giants might be a bit less given western sydney as a region is a different kettle of fish than the rest of the city.

- Melbourne is neutral as the base cost. no change to the salary cap for teams based predominantly in Melbourne. The cats however would need to take a pay cut given Geelong is cheaper than Melbourne as a city.

- Brisbane is 2% less expensive, therefore reduce Lions salary cap by $0.22million

- Perth is 6% cheaper, therefore reduce the salary cap of Freo and WC by $0.66million

-Adelaide and Gold Coast are around 10% cheaper, therefore reduce the salary cap for suns power and crows by $1.10 million.

Nonsensical.


COLA for Sydney was brought in to help out Sydney keep their middle players, Sydney abused it and they subsequently lost it.

You dont do it in reverse, a player worth 600k shouldnt get paid less because they live in anothrr state.

Do you see an influx of players trying to move to Adelaide to get more disposable income?

No, its the opposite.

You would exacerbate the problem by telling players their earning potential is less in Qld, WA and SA.

This would kill the league.

 

[BRWB]

Is it fair to roll this out for all clubs in principle?

As a general indication, based on the following reference, a current salary cap of approx $11million and using Melbourne as the referenced base cost:-

https://www.expatistan.com/cost-of-living/country/australia

- Sydney is 15% more expensive, therefore increase Swans and Giants salary cap by $1.65million. id suspect Giants might be a bit less given western sydney as a region is a different kettle of fish than the rest of the city.

- Melbourne is neutral as the base cost. no change to the salary cap for teams based predominantly in Melbourne. The cats however would need to take a pay cut given Geelong is cheaper than Melbourne as a city.

- Brisbane is 2% less expensive, therefore reduce Lions salary cap by $0.22million

- Perth is 6% cheaper, therefore reduce the salary cap of Freo and WC by $0.66million

-Adelaide and Gold Coast are around 10% cheaper, therefore reduce the salary cap for suns power and crows by $1.10 million.

Not sure your facts are straight - Melbourne is fast approaching Sydney in cost of living and is one of the most expensive cities to live in around the world. IIRC Melbourne and Sydney are 16 and 15th most expensive cities in the world.to live.

Plus you don't take into acoount that players in WA typically have much shorter careers due to the travel strain on their bodies. So their careers are shorter shouldnt they get paid relatively more like they do now?

Meanwhile Geelong and Adelaide players need boredom compensation and deserve relatively more like they do now.

The biggest problem in the league payment wise isnt the cap but the total player payments floor that sees teams with rubbish players being forced to pay these crap players the same amout of money as good teams.

Its ridiculous and a massive waste of money that Carlton and Brisbane are forced to pay their players the same as Richmond.

 

[Rotayjay]

not really fair on some teams whilst Adelaide and Perth based teams, for example, mooch off the system.

in effect, if nothing is done, the true value of player payments for a team in Adelaide for example is %10 more than Melbourne teams.

Given most of our list is made up of Victorians who might want to go home, we tend to pay overs to retain them anyway (and God knows lots of them still leave).

 

[Gysberts2Bate]

Honestly we should be paying twice as much to any sucker willing to live in Adelaide