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Power Raid said:
let's see if the courts agree with you
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Agree with me about what?

What Ziggy did is not a criminal offence? The investigation has ruled on the issue.

Or do you mean re whistleblowing? Given Australia has weak whistleblowing protections and they were further undermined by the current gov, I will wait for actual charges to be laid and court proceedings to begin, but I doubt any leaker would be covered by current legislation.

My argument though, is ethical not based on arbitrary narrow Australian definitions. Anyway, this was information published under the previous government that should be publicly available. The only reason it is not, is the governments desire to hide mismanagement and cost blowouts pre-election.
 
Play by Numbers said:
Agree with me about what?

What Ziggy did is not a criminal offence? The investigation has ruled on the issue.

Or do you mean re whistleblowing? Given Australia has weak whistleblowing protections and they were further undermined by the current gov, I will wait for actual charges to be laid and court proceedings to begin, but I doubt any leaker would be covered by current legislation.

My argument though, is ethical not based on arbitrary narrow Australian definitions. Anyway, this was information published under the previous government that should be publicly available. The only reason it is not, is the governments desire to hide mismanagement and cost blowouts pre-election.
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Nah, your position is bizarre and twisted.

Staff stole information from the NBN.
They didn't fall under whistleblowing they had political motives.
They handed the information to Labor which demonstrates their true motive.

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A chair who received advice highlighting he COULD LEGALLY exercise his rights as chair.
Highlighted crimes had been committed and the proper processes that should have been followed.


It seems the left loves laws and big government except when it doesn't suit. Instead the left like to reinvent reality.
 
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Ratts of Tobruk said:
Ziggy Switkowski has brought a whole lot of attention to the NBN. He is Turnbull's appointment. He broke conventions as a public servant by writing an opinion piece in the middle of an election, after the NBN raids on Labor, also done in the middle of an election.

It turns out he had asked the public service for advice on doing this, via the Dept of Prime Minister and Cabinet and was told to not do it. He did it anyway.

Another of Turnbull's appointments (like Sinodinos, like Brough, like believing Godwin Gretch) that has shown to either have disrespect for our laws or conventions, or to have for one reason or another decided that the political advantage in breaking those conventions was more important.
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Ratts this is not the first time twist things around in an attempt to deceive people.

Ziggy did bring attention to the NBN and highlighted theft had occurred, the theft was politically motivated and was possibly in collusion with Labor. He also highlighted the process and alternatives to workers who might be thinking along similar lines. This is perfectly reasonable for a Chair or Managing Director to do given the circumstances.

Yes legal advice was sought and consultation with the Department. The govt recommended he should not but the legal advice highlighted he was not bound by the same restrictions as government departments. Given he is not a stooge, he exercised his rights as Chair lawfully.

So why would you lie and say he has no respect for the law when the advice clearly highlighted he was not restricted?
Why would you say he has no respect for our conventions, if those conventions do not apply to the NBN?
Why would you consider him a stooge (Turnbull's appointment) if he chose another pathway to govt advice?
Why would you consider his actions political when it was in fact the staff stealing information and provide this to Labor (possibly in cahoots with Labor)?

Why do you feel the need to constantly spin lies? DO you have a political conflict of interest?
 
Power Raid said:
Nah, your position is bizarre and twisted.

Staff stole information from the NBN.
They didn't fall under whistleblowing they had political motives.
They handed the information to Labor which demonstrates their true motive.

Vs

A chair who received advice highlighting he COULD LEGALLY exercise his rights as chair.
Highlighted crimes had been committed and the proper processes that should have been followed.


It seems the left loves laws and big government except when it doesn't suit. Instead the left like to reinvent reality.
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Ziggy was told very specifically that he SHOULD NOT pen the article. You are becoming more of a parody with each passing day of this campaign.
 
JackOutback said:
Ziggy was told very specifically that he SHOULD NOT pen the article. You are becoming more of a parody with each passing day of this campaign.
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told by whom?

the legal guidance said he was fine. please remember he is bound by law to fulfill his obligations under the corporations act and bound by duty to ensure employees are operating within the law.

the govt department recommended he shouldn't and that would be appropriate advice from their perspective given THEIR legal obligations.

However, a directors obligations are to their entities needs rather than their shareholders needs or desires.
 
JackOutback said:
Ziggy was told very specifically that he SHOULD NOT pen the article. You are becoming more of a parody with each passing day of this campaign.
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Ever since I've been on BF, there's only been one person to not have time away from the site. PR. When you spend all day every day desperately hoping someone will talk to you, you go through parody into paranoia, back to pleading, into pestering, out to plagiarising, into panic... well, you get the picture.
 
Power Raid said:
Nah, your position is bizarre and twisted.

Staff stole information from the NBN.
They didn't fall under whistleblowing they had political motives.
They handed the information to Labor which demonstrates their true motive.

Vs

A chair who received advice highlighting he COULD LEGALLY exercise his rights as chair.
Highlighted crimes had been committed and the proper processes that should have been followed.


It seems the left loves laws and big government except when it doesn't suit. Instead the left like to reinvent reality.
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The department of the primeminister is hardly the left. He broke the rules and was reprimanded.

He has also done a terrible job.

Finally, this is information that should be available to the public, the only reason it isn't is to hide wrongdoing.
 
https://delimiter.com.au/2010/08/18/quigley-openly-slams-coalitions-broadband-policy/

NBN Co chief executive Mike Quigley has delivered a stinging attack on the Coalition’s broadband policy, publicly backing Labor’s rival National Broadband Network project just days before the Federal Election due on Saturday.

In a speech to the Australian Computer Society in Sydney this afternoon, Quigley stated explicitly that it was “better to invest $27 billion” — the amount that the Government expects to invest itself in the NBN — rather than “spend $6 billion” as the Coalition is planning to do under its own policy.
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The NBN Co chief acknowledged his comments — representing an unusual intervention by a government business entity into the political process — came at a charged time.

“When, many months ago, I accepted the invitation to speak here today, little did I know that it would be just a few days before a Federal Election, the outcome of which will have a profound impact on our industry,” he said, noting he questioned how to react with his speech.

“My conclusion was to take a deep breath and just tell it as I see it — without fear or favour,” he said.
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JoseMourinho said:
I swear we might aswell invite Verizon, Comcast or some american company come down here and do it for us. Neither government can operate a ******* chook raffle at the moment.
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Only according tot he Liberal party and the vast number of dolst who elected them on naught more than a 3 word slogan based scare campaign.
If not for the idiots who fell for Abbott's bullshit, a world class NBN would be 75% delivered by now.
That Abbott is allowed to steal a wage from the Australian people stuill is a disgrace. the campaigner should have been deported.
 
Pie eyed said:
Only according tot he Liberal party and the vast number of dolst who elected them on naught more than a 3 word slogan based scare campaign.
If not for the idiots who fell for Abbott's bullshit, a world class NBN would be 75% delivered by now.
That Abbott is allowed to steal a wage from the Australian people stuill is a disgrace. the campaigner should have been deported.
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Why are you going on like Abbott is the only s**t one in parliament.

There are many more of them who are just there for the defined benefit pension for life lol.
 
JoseMourinho said:
Why are you going on like Abbott is the only s**t one in parliament.

There are many more of them who are just there for the defined benefit pension for life lol.
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When the discussion turns to s**t politicians, s**t policies or simply s**t people, lying *******s, alarmist arsewipes or just plain campaigners Abbott is first to mind.
You're right of course though, there are plenty of other lowlife fukwits in politics. I was specifically talking about the giant clusterfuk the libs have made of the NBN though and the abject morons who voted for him based on his alarmist yet foundationless three word slogans.
 

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This was an excellent article, extremely rare on this topic. http://junkee.com/nbn-explained-huge-chat-former-nbn-board-member-simon-hackett/80391

The author says it best in this paragraph:

At face value, this seems like common sense. Of course we should replace our outdated copper network with shiny new fibre-optic cables which have theoretically unlimited bandwidth. We have Game of Thrones to watch. But sit down with someone who really knows this stuff (so yeah, not politicians or Waleed Aly) and it becomes obvious the debate isn’t that clear-cut.
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swansfan51 said:
This was an excellent article, extremely rare on this topic. http://junkee.com/nbn-explained-huge-chat-former-nbn-board-member-simon-hackett/80391

The author says it best in this paragraph:
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Sorry to break it to you but the article is factually wrong. We aren't just replacing copper with fibre:
The prime minister, Malcolm Turnbull has defended the national broadband network’s purchase of 1,800km of copper to deliver his vision of fibre to the node. The company told a Senate estimates hearing it has so far purchased $14m worth of copper and will need more to meet future demand. Turnbull told parliament on Wednesday the design of the NBN requires new copper to connect the nodes to existing Telstra pillars. But the existing copper network between the nodes and premises has not required anything like the level of remediation that was assumed, he said.
https://www.theguardian.com/technol...chase-of-14m-worth-of-copper-to-implement-nbn
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He also admits that the copper will have to be replaced anyway eventually. And frankly, being a Turnbull appointee and complaining about the costs to retailers (as he was at Internode), it's pretty silly to think he is going to be unbiased. And the journo being snooty about other journalists while saying the NBN is about downloading GoT? That's pretty daft.
 
Ratts of Tobruk said:
Sorry to break it to you but the article is factually wrong. We aren't just replacing copper with fibre:

He also admits that the copper will have to be replaced anyway eventually. And frankly, being a Turnbull appointee and complaining about the costs to retailers (as he was at Internode), it's pretty silly to think he is going to be unbiased. And the journo being snooty about other journalists while saying the NBN is about downloading GoT? That's pretty daft.
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Not sure why articles about NBN continually refer to downloading.

Perhaps they are unaware of what a tremendous aid it would be for business (video conferencing), the medical field (long distance diagnosis, viewing patients xrays) , education (long distance learning), etc.

The write also omitted the juicy payout to Telstra.

I quite like Windsor's comment on Q & A, 'do it once, do it in fibre'.
 
Maggie5 said:
Not sure why articles about NBN continually refer to downloading.

Perhaps they are unaware of what a tremendous aid it would be for business (video conferencing), the medical field (long distance diagnosis, viewing patients xrays) , education (long distance learning), etc.

The write also omitted the juicy payout to Telstra.

I quite like Windsor's comment on Q & A, 'do it once, do it in fibre'.
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Its disappointing to see such an important piece of infrastructure get torn to bits by ignorant old men fighting to get their noses back in the food trough.
. Many of our future jobs aren't even known yet. The NBN is the highway of the future & will allow future jobs & businesses to develop.
Our pollies are just selfish short sighted imbeciles.
Im no IT guru. But if we can't see the vital importance of this for business, health, education etc, well we deserve to end up as another 3rd world failure.
 
Maggie5 said:
Not sure why articles about NBN continually refer to downloading.

Perhaps they are unaware of what a tremendous aid it would be for business (video conferencing), the medical field (long distance diagnosis, viewing patients xrays) , education (long distance learning), etc.

The write also omitted the juicy payout to Telstra.

I quite like Windsor's comment on Q & A, 'do it once, do it in fibre'.
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Barnaby Joyce said something similar when Labor came up with their initial plan... (Before FTTP).

Upload speed is the game changer with fibre that continually gets overlooked.

And it has never been about "speed", it has always been about bandwidth. This seems lost on many!
 
JoseMourinho said:
Why are you going on like Abbott is the only s**t one in parliament.

There are many more of them who are just there for the defined benefit pension for life lol.
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How many candidates for this election have been party or union hacks since their student days? We need people who have real world experience.
 
swansfan51 said:
This was an excellent article, extremely rare on this topic. http://junkee.com/nbn-explained-huge-chat-former-nbn-board-member-simon-hackett/80391

The author says it best in this paragraph:
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From the same article

Hackett suggests we need a more flexible policy that doesn’t spend money on fibre in places where something close to the same speeds (one gigabit per second) can be achieved with cheaper, slightly inferior technology. “The Labor policy [fibre-only] was so extreme,” he says. “It was almost a religious statement.”
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My consistent argument has been against a government monopoly that stifled the market.

Are There Other Options?​

Our issues are vastly different to those in the US, the UK and elsewhere, but the frustration is the same. People are giving up on their governments and ISPs completely.

Borwick, a tiny English town with 210 residents, recently built its own gigabit broadband network. In Spain, there’s a free national network known as Guifi. In Berlin, Toronto and New York, groups of technically savvy people are banding together to create “community ISPs” such as Freifunk and NYC Mesh. Its members pay a nominal monthly fee for free internet access. These groups have extraordinarily low operating costs because they don’t rely on the labour-intensive practice of laying cables underground. They install tight-beam, directional routers on windowsills, rooftops and even trees, blanketing the city in a radio “mesh” than can hop from node to node. At each node, a multi-directional router spreads the signal like a normal wireless hotspot. Adelaide-based ISP Uniti Wireless is already using this technology, though it charges people for access. Facebook has also recently been experimenting with a higher-powered version.

“If the NBN prices itself out of the market, it creates an opportunity for wireless players to start up again, especially because there’s a loophole in the laws that were passed in this country to try and make the NBN a monopoly,” Hackett says.​
 
Don't forget Hackett has spent most of his career being an ISP - of course he is going to want cheaper wholesale rates.
Lester Burnham said:
How many candidates for this election have been party or union hacks since their student days? We need people who have real world experience.
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But that's Turnbull in many ways - he even tried to join Labor before joining the Liberals. As it stands he doesn't have the answers and didn't have the answers back in 2009 either.

Keating and Howard were politicians from the get go. Hawke was a right-wing Union guy like Shorten. They've all been successful and, so far, despite having a understated approach that the media criticised (and I did too, to be fair) Shorten is being 'successful' too. Good polices and has seen off Abbott and caught up to Turnbull, despite the Honeymoon period.
 
And yet another opinion on the NBN:

http://www.news.com.au/technology/t...e/news-story/d3cf2b9e65d5ee0b7d442e76d3afbc7b

"In a rare public appearance at the University of Melbourne, founding NBN CEO Mike Quigley laid out a detailed case for installing a faster, fibre-to-the-home network in Australia, and slammed the Turnbull Government’s plans to use technologies including copper and pay-TV cable, saying Australia would suffer the “consequences of those decisions for years to come in higher costs and poorer performance”.

“To spend billions of dollars to build a major piece of national infrastructure that just about meets demand today but doesn’t allow for any significant growth in that demand over the next 10 or 20 years is incredibly shortsighted,” he said.

"While admitting the original NBN plans had been delayed by 12 months due to lengthy negotiations with Telstra and the discovery of asbestos in network pits, he said the FTTH network would have been cheaper to roll out, at $45 billion, and would have put Australia in a better position internationally."

Simon Hackett neglected to discuss the last point.
 
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