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And it's only earlier because they have done it by themselves outside of any rollout schedule. I also wouldn't be surprised if they were also locked in to the one retail provider.

I'm sure if an apartment block wanted to install fibre themselves they could get it done earlier as well.

Also if they we're in a HFC area they would be getting done last under the Coalition.
Sure you could get FTTH earlier, at about $5k per apartment. Compared to $200 an apartment for this type of installation.

I hope the coalition does a mix of services, FTTH for new developments (apartments and houses), FTTN for apartments, and FTTN for existing developments converting to FTTH as copper needs to be replaced over its useful life.

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So, the cable has been laid outside my house - the last bit is just getting the unit turned on and getting the house connected.

What I wonder is, and I know nobody knows the answer to this, but are the Libs going to be so ideologically blinded that they won't use existing infrastructure for the sake of sticking to FTTN.
 

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So, the cable has been laid outside my house - the last bit is just getting the unit turned on and getting the house connected.

What I wonder is, and I know nobody knows the answer to this, but are the Libs going to be so ideologically blinded that they won't use existing infrastructure for the sake of sticking to FTTN.
If its connected or to a point where connecting it back FTTN will cost more etc they will keep it. Whilst there is a lot of variables it sounds like you will be connected.
 

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Australia's largest cities may receive no broadband upgrade until 2017 under the Coalition's current NBN policy, because households already have access to cable networks installed in the 1990s.
Cabled suburbs have a "pretty good service now", according to the opposition's communications spokesman, Malcolm Turnbull, and would be a lower priority than suburbs without any cable access.
The cables were installed to carry pay TV services but have since also provided broadband connections.
Hybrid fibre-coaxial [HFC] cable networks installed by Telstra to deliver Foxtel, Optus and some smaller operators cover most of Melbourne, Sydney and Brisbane, parts of inner Darwin, Perth, Adelaide and the Gold Coast, and regional towns of Geelong, Mildura and Ballarat in Victoria.
http://www.watoday.com.au/it-pro/go...-you-under-coalition--yet-20130903-hv1m1.html

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Internode have stated that it was actually a 50 Mps service that was tested. Apparently the 100 Mps services have been getting 93 Mps.


But that wasn't my main point. The residents of this apartment block are receiving fast internet much earlier and way cheaper than through the government scheme.

OPENetworks uses bonding and vectoring. This is what Turnbull is going to give Australians.... starting in 2020. First we need to go to VDSL (unless you are in a HFC area....).

Turnbull was doing a free advertisement for his mates. http://www.openetworks.com.au/
 

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http://www.watoday.com.au/digital-l...-the-mistakes-of-the-past-20130904-2t4cr.html

The real reason why Australia needs a national broadband network has been lost amid the political and technical arguments of the last few years. The primary purpose of the NBN isn't to deliver 100 Mbps download speeds across the country. Nor is the primary purpose of the NBN to run fibre to every home. The primary purpose of the NBN is to fix the hotch potch broadband infrastructure and monopolistic quagmire created by decades of market failure and regulatory impotence – an environment which empowered the monster that is Telstra.

Telstra has abused its control over the copper infrastructure time and again to stifle competition and limit innovation. There was a time when Telstra refused to enable ADSL2+ in an exchange until a competing telco installed its own ADSL2+ infrastructure. The Telstra and Optus HFC cable rollouts of the 1990s did little to alleviate the problem, cherry-picking the profitable suburbs while chasing each other down one street and then skipping the next. More recently the haphazard approach to rolling out broadband infrastructure in greenfield sites has created entire estates where homes have no choice when it comes to their internet service provider.


Turnbull's plan is exactly the kind of thinking that got us into this mess in the first place. To make matters worse, you can be sure that Telstra will be the telco to cherry-pick the best areas and then hamper efforts by competitors to reach those customers. Anyone who thinks that regulators like the ACCC will ensure all ISPs get a fair deal clearly hasn't been paying attention for the last few decades. We're talking about a regulator which seems genuinely surprised when the price of petrol goes up every long weekend. Telstra's promises of structural separation mean little when it's already broken those rules as part of the NBN roll out, letting its retail arm access sensitive information regarding competing telcos.

Australia's current broadband system is fundamentally flawed. It's not about download speeds or connection technologies, it's about one powerful player abusing that power to the detriment of us all. Market forces and regulation have failed. The only way to fix the problem is to take away Telstra's power, one way or another.
If Turnbull and the Abbott government let Telstra cherry-pick the most profitable parts of the NBN then we'll be back where we started, having wasted billions of dollars without actually addressing the real problem. If Turnbull has his way, Telstra will hold Australia to ransom for another 30 years.
 

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Sounds good to me! We don't have cable, so hopefully that means we get brought forward with the rollout.

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Does anyone know where the Telstra and Optus HFC is in Perth? I can't find any coverage maps.

I did find a list of suburbs on Whirlpool:

Alexander Heights (Parts)
Ballajura (Parts)
Carine (West)
Claremont (parts)
Como (parts)
Connolly
Craigie
Duncraig (Parts)
Ellenbrook
Heathridge
Mirrabooka (parts)
Joondalup (Suburb)
Kardinya
Kingsley
Leeming
Marangaroo
Marmion
Mount Claremont (parts)
Mullaloo
Nedlands
Ocean Reef
Padbury
Sorrento (Parts)
South Lake (parts)
Tuart Hill (parts)
Waterman's Bay
Wembley (parts)
Willetton
Yangebup (Parts)
Meadow Grove
Perthian
Victoria Park
Beldon
Cottesloe
Quinns Rocks
Bakers Hill
Hilton
West Perth
Hillarys
Rockingham
Osborne Park
Bicton
Canning Vale
Butler
Cloverdale
Booragoon
 
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I hope the coalition does a mix of services, FTTH for new developments (apartments and houses), FTTN for apartments, and FTTN for existing developments converting to FTTH as copper needs to be replaced over its useful life.

That is pretty much what they are doing. From Malcolm Turnbull's website.

Note that under our plan greenfield estates, business districts, schools, hospitals, universities and anywhere that fibre is commercially justifiable will be connected to fibre. FTTN is primarily a solution for cost effective service in residential areas. Fibre on demand is the most practical way of ensuring that a network like the NBN is rolled out as quickly as possible to all users, without imposing unnecessary costs on everyone using that network.
 

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Rollout is going well

Thousands of faults hit rushed NBN
  • BY:MITCHELL BINGEMANN
  • From:The Australian
  • September 06, 2013 12:00AM
THE company building Labor's $37.4 billion National Broadband Network could be forced to repair tens of thousands of faulty connections after cutting corners in the construction processes to boost the number of homes passed by the massive infrastructure project.
The Australian can reveal that as of last week, connections to as many as 21,000 - one in eight - of the 163,500 existing homes and businesses passed by the fibre network were considered to contain defects in the network construction. Up to 7000 have major defects, which according to NBN Co documents, are those at risk of service degradation, outages or health and safety hazards.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/bus...s-hit-rushed-nbn/story-e6frgaif-1226712731555
 

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No, rather give it time and you will see the white elephant.

You can still have it though if it were up to me.
No I'm interested, you seem to be of the believe that fibre will become obsolete, I'd like to know what you are basing this on? You've yet to come up with a decent argument against the NBN and now you are suggesting it will become obsolete. Tell me what will it be replaced with?
 

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No I'm interested, you seem to be of the believe that fibre will become obsolete, I'd like to know what you are basing this on? You've yet to come up with a decent argument against the NBN and now you are suggesting it will become obsolete. Tell me what will it be replaced with?
I don't recall saying it will be obsolete.

By referring to a white elephant, I believe the project will be botched due to poor scope and roll out. The engineers responsible for the project are laughing as they talk about how incompetent management is.
 

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I don't recall saying it will be obsolete.

By referring to a white elephant, I believe the project will be botched due to poor scope and roll out. The engineers responsible for the project are laughing as they talk about how incompetent management is.
Who will something that will be the backbone of Australia's communication needs for the next fifty years be seen as a white elephant?
 

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You quoted most of the article but managed to miss the reply by Turnbull.

Update: Opposition communications spokesman Malcolm Turnbull has challenged this opinion piece with one of his own published on his website Wednesday
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Well where is Malcoms response? Too busy trying to filter the internet or lie about filtering the internet?
 

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Why did you bring up Greek prostitution, in relation to the Australian NBN FTTH???????
Please let me know how it is more connected to the Aus FTTH than any other "vote winner" currently running in Australia, or Victoria, or... just anywhere! You set the terms to confine it just to the FTTH...











You attack the Government for over-spending, and laugh at how the companies are intentionally ripping off the Government. I've seen your constant attack at Unions for 'corruption', doesn't matter if it's a business?


The fact you don't ever denigrate posts that are against the NBN FTTH, is the major point, but everything else adds to that.

You are against the FTTH, and are falsifying your intentions to placate anyone who questions your notions.
mate you seem to see everything backwards.

Companies aren't ripping off the NBN rather the NBN is being mismanaged. The scope is wrong, the contracting is wrong and the budget is wrong.

Initial contracts went to union cronnies but they have failed to gear up and the majors are picking up the re-work programs and new work programs.

The big guys are laughing because the competition has fallen away.

Lastly, if everyone knows what is really going on, why hasn't the government come clean with the revised budget?
 

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Why did you bring up Greek prostitution, in relation to the Australian NBN FTTH???????
Please let me know how it is more connected to the Aus FTTH than any other "vote winner" currently running in Australia, or Victoria, or... just anywhere! You set the terms to confine it just to the FTTH...











You attack the Government for over-spending, and laugh at how the companies are intentionally ripping off the Government. I've seen your constant attack at Unions for 'corruption', doesn't matter if it's a business?


The fact you don't ever denigrate posts that are against the NBN FTTH, is the major point, but everything else adds to that.

You are against the FTTH, and are falsifying your intentions to placate anyone who questions your notions.
oh and I compared it to prostitution as it was the popular issue of the day. It emphasises what is popular may not be as important as some may think.

What is certain is, if you give the masses what they want they will be happy. So I say build the NBN!
 

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So you are aware of such technology or are you just speculating?
Let's try one more time; I am calling it a white elephant because:

- the scope is wrong
- the budget is wrong
- the management is wrong
- the contracting is wrong

The NBN should be built but it should have the right scope, be rolled out at the right pace, be managed well and contracted better.

$94B is too much for a phase 1 roll out. Even at $45B it is too much for a first phase.
 

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Let's try one more time; I am calling it a white elephant because:

- the scope is wrong
- the budget is wrong
- the management is wrong
- the contracting is wrong

The NBN should be built but it should have the right scope, be rolled out at the right pace, be managed well and contracted better.

$94B is too much for a phase 1 roll out. Even at $45B it is too much for a first phase.
No, I am asking you if you aware of technology that will be better than FTTH which is what you're implying, not your opinion on the structure of the NBN roll out. Simple yes or no will suffice.
 
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