National Broadband Network

[Ice-Wolf]

Incorrect. Continual delays and downgrading of "forecasts" have been a mainstay of the NBN project since inception. Fibre rollout is still occurring.

The forecasts were a joke, and so is the financial modelling based on these.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-09-25/kohler-turnbulls-in-charge-of-the-nbn/4979392

The NBN is a complex Government-owned, ubiquitous monopoly wholesale broadband network, connecting Earth's least populated continent, on a very tight business plan, that is running about as far behind schedule as a normal house renovation – that is, it's more or less on track.

 

[JRoo]

When it comes to tax revenue, paid by hard working Aussies, then they should have the right to question why foreign owned property is being subsidised.

Why don't property owners contribute to the cost burden?

They are.

 

[Ratts of Tobruk]

Interesting take on an NBN monopoly or otherwise under the new Third Reich from an unlikely source

http://www.businessspectator.com.au...l&utm_content=432134&utm_campaign=kgb&modapt=

Alan Kohler is unlikely? If he is right and Turnbull is about to turn the NBN into a white elephant, then at least that will justify Liberal claims that it was a white elephant - and isn't that more important than what is actually good for Australia?

 

[Ice-Wolf]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-09-25/kohler-turnbulls-in-charge-of-the-nbn/4979392

The change that matters with the change of government is allowing Telstra not to migrate all of its customers to the NBN, and allowing firms like TPG Telecom to connect the most profitable parts of the cities to its own wholesale fibre networks.

What matters is whether it's a wholesale monopoly. If it's not, best to cancel it now while we still can.

Infrastructure competition will piss the taxpayers money down the drain.

 

[Power Raid]

This is a great satirical post.
Or something else.

In answer to your question; Circa 10% of agricultural land and based solely on discussion with property investors 10-15% of inner city property

 

[medusala]

If you live in Australia, no.

If you live in the UK, British Telecom are rolling out FTTC now, so yes.

The cost per connection in the UK is a small fraction of what it is in Australia. Further other operators are rolling it out as well. There is no NBN, none is required.

from Jroos link

"Government is investing £680 million to ensure the UK has the best superfast broadband in Europe by 2015 and will also work with mobile operators, local government and other interested parties to consider ways that the planning process might be streamlined to speed up the deployment of mobile infrastructure."

Utterly woeful comparison.

Why should a private company be paid to build something by the government and get to retain complete ownership of it?

Why should the government be involved at all when there is no market failure?

Economic Madness.

In a tightly contested field this would have to be the worst fanboi thread on SRP.

 

[yibbida]

The cost per connection in the UK is a small fraction of what it is in Australia. Further other operators are rolling it out as well. There is no NBN, none is required.

from Jroos link

"Government is investing £680 million to ensure the UK has the best superfast broadband in Europe by 2015 and will also work with mobile operators, local government and other interested parties to consider ways that the planning process might be streamlined to speed up the deployment of mobile infrastructure."

Utterly woeful comparison.



Why should the government be involved at all when there is no market failure?

Economic Madness.

In a tightly contested field this would have to be the worst fanboi thread on SRP.

Australia sold its Telecommunications network. And now you are advocating buying it back to give us FTTN?

Economic madness.....

 

[medusala]

Australia sold its Telecommunications network. And now you are advocating buying it back to give us FTTN?

Economic madness.....

No. Why would you think that? There is no need for government involvement in the cities.

 

[JRoo]

No. Why would you think that? There is no need for government involvement in the cities.

There is no need for government involvement in the provision of broadband fullstop. Not in the city, not in the rural or regional areas.

 

[yibbida]

No. Why would you think that? There is no need for government involvement in the cities.

Why would I think buying back a copper network that the Government sold only 10 years ago is economic madness?

Because it is ****ing insane.

 

[Caesar]

They are already paying to have it decommissioned.

 

[Ratts of Tobruk]

Did the UK government have to (at massive cost) install my connection? No of course it didn't.

If you live in the UK, British Telecom are rolling out FTTC now, so yes.

The cost per connection in the UK is a small fraction of what it is in Australia. Further other operators are rolling it out as well. ...Utterly woeful comparison.

No need to be so hard on yourself, Medusala. Either there ^ or here:

In a tightly contested field this would have to be the worst fanboi thread on SRP.

 

[Ice-Wolf]

They are already paying to have it decommissioned.

They are paying for the use of remediated pipes and pits and for the transfer of fix-line customers not for the copper. The copper is worthless under FTTP but is vital for CFTN.

 

[Caesar]

They are compensating Telstra for the decommissioning of their network. Whether the copper is reused or scrapped is not material.

 

[Power Raid]

this nbn thing is turning out to be the biggest f up in the history of government.

$94B for what?

 

[RUNVS]

this nbn thing is turning out to be the biggest f up in the history of government.

$94B for what?

Can you provide evidence for that figure that isn't Coalition propaganda?

 

[Power Raid]

Can you provide evidence for that figure that isn't Coalition propaganda?

it was a representation by a board member of one of the engineering firms

so I guess you will have to wait and see

 

[swingdog]

it was a representation by a board member of one of the engineering firms

so I guess you will have to wait and see

Link?

 

[Power Raid]

Link?

you do know what a representation is?

 

[yibbida]

this nbn thing is turning out to be the biggest f up in the history of government.

$94B for what?

The Corporate report shows it's on Budget. I'm guessing it a serious crime to knowingly withhold that sort of information for a Corporation.....

 

[Power Raid]

The Corporate report shows it's on Budget. I'm guessing it a serious crime to knowingly withhold that sort of information for a Corporation.....

If the major contractors are making those claims, I would assume the NBNCo would be aware too. The question for a corporation "knowingly withholding this sort of information" being a crime is an unusual claim. What criminal law would be breached?

It may be a breach of regulations but that would only be relevant if they are a disclosing entity; which they probably are not.

 

[swingdog]

Just wanted to see where else it had been said other than you claiming it on this board.

Otherwise, it has as much credence as all the "my mate down the pub told me Player X wants out stories" on the draft boards.

 

[Power Raid]

Just wanted to see where else it had been said other than you claiming it on this board.

Otherwise, it has as much credence as all the "my mate down the pub told me Player X wants out stories" on the draft boards.

Lol

 

[yibbida]

If the major contractors are making those claims, I would assume the NBNCo would be aware too. The question for a corporation "knowingly withholding this sort of information" being a crime is an unusual claim. What criminal law would be breached?

It may be a breach of regulations but that would only be relevant if they are a disclosing entity; which they probably are not.

A quick search of the NBN ACT would answer your question...

You should call ASIC.

 

[Power Raid]

A quick search of the NBN ACT would answer your question...

You should call ASIC.

why?