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I wonder why Gillard didn't release this report?

Labor told of $31bn NBN risk
  • CHRIS KENNY AND ANNABEL HEPWORTH
  • THE AUSTRALIAN
  • NOVEMBER 16, 2013 12:00AM

A SECRET review of the NBN prepared for the Gillard government almost three years ago estimated it would leave taxpayers up to $31 billion worse off and warned of major risks in the plan, many of which were later realised.
The Weekend Australian has learned that the review by investment bank Lazard found the project would confront construction problems leading to cost increases for the building phase.

It also found that the project - once touted by the former Labor government as ideal for "mum and dad investors" - was so risky that no private investors would stump up the capital....

Significantly, The Weekend Australian has learned that Lazard's calculations concluded that taxpayers would own an asset, NBN Co, with a negative net present value - the difference between the cash a project is expected to achieve and its costs - as high as $31bn. -

See more at: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/bus...y-e6frgaif-1226761478500#sthash.IbwnR8SO.dpuf
 

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because its a newsltd lie , labor's nbn is not funded by the taxpayer

the only one which is funded by the taxpayer is the coalition's

news ltd is trying to cover this newsltd/abbott coalition broadband rollout lie up
Such an in depth post.

So this was a News Ltd. Report ? Are you saying the report is a lie ?

I thought these boards were beyond News Ltd. Bias bad, Fairfax Bias good type of posts.
 

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Such an in depth post.

So this was a News Ltd. Report ? Are you saying the report is a lie ?

I thought these boards were beyond News Ltd. Bias bad, Fairfax Bias good type of posts.
Yes it is a newsltd lie ,

Newsltd wont tell the facts that the report was talking about Telstra invovlement which the coalition wants to use

http://www.businessspectator.com.au...binet-ignored-calls-hard-line-nbn-deal-report






why dont the news ltd/abbott coalition come clean and tell the public how much it will cost the taxpayers for thier farcical copper based broadband

it will be the one cost close to $100 billion +
 

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if it can make a return to meet TCO it is all but sure that Ftth can not.
What does that mean? All but sure?
Are you sure, or are you condemning?
In general, how often does Government infrastructure meet TCO? Remembering of course, that Government isn't a private business, and shouldn't be viewed as such.
 

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A mixture of FTTN, FTTP and wireless is the best option that balances cost anf benefits.

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Its the best option for now. Just like back in the day tin cans were the best option for now. Now I dont know about you, but I haven't used a tin can to call home.
 

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Businesses to have fibre to the 'home'
Households to have fibre to the node
Use the money saved on public widespread WIFI

That's what should have been done IMO!
 

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Businesses to have fibre to the 'home'
Households to have fibre to the node
Use the money saved on public widespread WIFI

That's what should have been done IMO!
I don't think the FTTP vs FTTN decision should be based on who you're connecting. It should be balancing the installation costs of the area and the expected revenue (takeup of the various plans).
 

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Lol at NBN not costing taxpayers anything. Just remember when the buzzer sounds start salivating.

notice how there is no money coming from the nbn to pay for any tax payers project why is that?

Despite Abbott and the pro coalition media lies that the nbn money would be better to go roads ,hospitals ,

hence nbn is not costing the taxpayer so there is no money from the nbn to go to other projects


The nbn would had made interest for the government , but now under the coalition version it will cost the taxpayer a fortunate to maintain and upgrade old copper technology
 

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Its the best option for now. Just like back in the day tin cans were the best option for now. Now I dont know about you, but I haven't used a tin can to call home.
Yeah nah.

Your analogy would work if we were still on dial-up.

You dont need 1Gbps. You'll be fune with anything above 25-50Mbps for quite some time.

I had 10Mbps in 1998 and have around the same now. Still doing fine, still productive. Would having 50Mbps make me more productive, no. It would make downloading games from PSN faster but thats about it.

Would the majority of the population having access to 1Gbps make them more productive, no, read above.

Relax.

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Yeah nah.

Your analogy would work if we were still on dial-up.

You dont need 1Gbps. You'll be fune with anything above 25-50Mbps for quite some time.


Australia will a laughing stock under the coalition , the majority of the word would be getting 10 Gbps by the time under the coalition plan to get to 25 - 50Mbps
 

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Australia will a laughing stock under the coalition , the majority of the word would be getting 10 Gbps by the time under the coalition plan to get to 25 - 50Mbps
Cool story bro. Maybe this will keep the Asylum Seekera away. Where will you be heading ?

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I don't think the FTTP vs FTTN decision should be based on who you're connecting. It should be balancing the installation costs of the area and the expected revenue (takeup of the various plans).
Exactly, balance that with the length of time covering the whole country. One of the issues is politicians needing to show huge amounts of progress, or covering up when there isnt any. Its obvious to me that doing the whole country could and should take over ten years to complete.

What would be marginal now under your test might be completely different in five years time, then theres the economies of scale. Bear in mind theres cable going past up to 3 million homes, about 1 million already connected (upload speed is still pathetic)

On turnbull, he has an open run to run the most sensible implementation. Very few will chastise him for moving his position closer to the previous government. ( it must be said the previous government spent most of the five years defending the very existence of the program from abbott in wrecker mode, and that rudd started out from a position very close to the one the coalition took to this election)

Turnbull could spend less time defending his pre election position and more convincing us he will be impartial and not controlled by the very well known vested interests.
 

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Exactly, balance that with the length of time covering the whole country. One of the issues is politicians needing to show huge amounts of progress, or covering up when there isnt any. Its obvious to me that doing the whole country could and should take over ten years to complete.

What would be marginal now under your test might be completely different in five years time, then theres the economies of scale. Bear in mind theres cable going past up to 3 million homes, about 1 million already connected (upload speed is still pathetic)

On turnbull, he has an open run to run the most sensible implementation. Very few will chastise him for moving his position closer to the previous government. ( it must be said the previous government spent most of the five years defending the very existence of the program from abbott in wrecker mode, and that rudd started out from a position very close to the one the coalition took to this election)

Turnbull could spend less time defending his pre election position and more convincing us he will be impartial and not controlled by the very well known vested interests.
I would hope they start with the highly profitable areas, then use the income being earned to invest in areas that are loss making. As long as the business breakseven in the long run, everybody wins.

The way Labor run it was terrible, more about marginal seats than takeup, costs and profitability. The Liberal plan needs work, they shouldn't feel constrained to their pre election position when they didn't have all the info.

For the love of god, can't someone just run this properly and treat it like the multi billion dollar business it is?
 

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The Communications Minister told Parliament on Tuesday that only 322 families in the Northern Territory were capable of getting a broadband service on the fibre network and of those households, only five have connected…
In a speech that drew laughter and jeering, Mr Turnbull taunted Labor about its “switching on” ceremonies in which ministers would travel to the Northern Territory to haul fibre to dramatise the progress of the NBN… Former Communications Minister Stephen Conroy “went to the Northern Territory more often than there are active connections on the broadband network,” he said.
 

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I don't think the FTTP vs FTTN decision should be based on who you're connecting. It should be balancing the installation costs of the area and the expected revenue (takeup of the various plans).
Seems like the whole rationale of the NBN going all the way to the home (rather than a street corner node) is dead before the NBN even gets started.
ABC The Businessinterviews the man whose company invented ADSL technology and he explains:

1) Fibre-to-the-home is up to 10 times more expensive than fibre-to-the-node.
2) VDSL is now ready for adoption. Vectored DSL is a new technology that allows the last bit of copper wire to carry 100 MBS (at 1000 metres) or over 1,0000 MBS if the copper length is 100-300 metres.​
 
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