National Broadband Network

[Pessimistic]

make it like sewerage and make people pay if they connect or not.

As you note, the principles are well established, the NBN planning is nothing new

No doubt there were naysayers when sewerage provided one of mankinds greatest advances ever

 

[TheMase]

????????

If there is no value add by connecting NBN then we shouldn't connect it

If there is, the the beneficiary should pay. What is wrong with getting someone who can afford $200-800k worth of land contribute to the value add?

Everyone benefits !!! Everyone pays tax!!

Tell me who in Australia does not benefit from this with a future outlook ie. do not say pensioners from today's perspective and tomorrow's pensioners will use it.

We obviously see things very differently.

 

[Power Raid]

Everyone benefits !!! Everyone pays tax!!

Tell me who in Australia does not benefit from this with a future outlook ie. do not say pensioners from today's perspective and tomorrow's pensioners will use it.

We obviously see things very differently.

I would be a perfect example.

I am not a resident for tax purposes and thus pay little tax in OZ but have multiple properties.

Why should people like me get benefit of multiple connections but not have to contribute?

 

[Patrick Bullet]

Why should people like me get benefit of multiple connections but not have to contribute?

What is this benefit you keep talking about? What impact does it have on you? Are you going to sell your properties later with the NBN listed as a feature and expect to get a higher price on them? If you're planning to do that, you might as well list the front door as a special feature since all competing properties will also have that too. The people who will actually benefit will be your tenants.

 

[Power Raid]

What is this benefit you keep talking about? What impact does it have on you? Are you going to sell your properties later with the NBN listed as a feature and expect to get a higher price on them? If you're planning to do that, you might as well list the front door as a special feature since all competing properties will also have that too. The people who will actually benefit will be your tenants.

lol

Have a think about what you are saying.

lol


I guess that river view is for the benefit of the tenant?
I guess the 4 bedroom feature is for the benefit of the tenant?
I guess the power connection is for the benefit of the tenant?


lol

 

[Patrick Bullet]

lol

Have a think about what you are saying.

lol


I guess that river view is for the benefit of the tenant?
I guess the 4 bedroom feature is for the benefit of the tenant?
I guess the power connection is for the benefit of the tenant?


lol

What? I still don't follow your argument. Please explain. Not all houses have river views, nor do they all have 4 bedrooms. I can see how those features can add value for the owner of such a property.
Under the NBN plan EVERY house was to have the NBN. If every single house on the market has a particular feature, then that feature cannot add value to any particular property. But, certain features, whether other houses have them or not, do make life easier for the people living in the house. E.g. roofs, walls, doors, windows, power connection, the NBN.

Your point would be fine by me if it were just going to be a few select homes with the NBN, which is of course now what will happen.

 

[yibbida]

 

[yibbida]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-09-09/alberici-can-the-coalitions-nbn-keep-pace-with-change/4931864

Just 22 years later, billions of people around the world are sharing data, photos and videos in close to instant time. The internet has killed a lot of businesses (think newspapers, Kodak and the Borders book store chain) but it has also spawned entire new industries. A recent study by Google and Deloitte Access Economics estimates that there are now 190,000 people employed in online-related companies in Australia.

In 1998, Nielsen's Law of Internet Bandwidth correctly predicted that bandwidth for high-end home users would grow by 50 per cent every year. Since computer processing power is increasing faster than bandwidth speeds, Nielsen noted that the user experience is ultimately limited by bandwidth and that as computers get faster, so will bandwidth. Experts forecast that many households will begin demanding gigabit-per-second internet speeds within 10 to 15 years. This is roughly the equivalent lead time between the launch of the web and the development of its now ubiquitous services - Skype (2003), Facebook (2004), Twitter (2006), Instagram (2010).

EPB boss Harold De Priest claims the improvements in productivity return $100 million back to the community each year.

Chattanooga has become a tech hub to rival Silicon Valley. EPB says it has "added fuel to an enthusiastic entrepreneurial community". Computer geeks are being given cash incentives to move to Tennessee's fourth biggest city - $10,000 deposits on mortgages and $1,200 to cover relocation expenses. Two Google developers have already taken up residence there. Volkswagen has shifted its headquarters for North American manufacturing to Chattanooga and Amazon.com chose to locate its new distribution centres there. The Chattanooga Chamber of Commerce says business investment in the city has soared by $400 million as a direct result of its "city without (internet) limits" marketing drive. In the three years since FTTH was available in all homes and businesses, 3700 new jobs have been created in the city.

In the United States, one in every five households is within reach of fibre. The goal was to have 100 million homes receiving 100mbps by 2020 but in January, the Federal Communications Commission's chairman, Julius Genachowski revised his ambition. He now wants to see one gigabit speed broadband services in all 50 states by 2015.

"American economic history teaches us a clear lesson about infrastructure," he said in a statement, "If we build it, innovation will come. The US needs a critical mass of gigabit communities nationwide so that innovators can develop next generation applications and services that will drive economic growth and global competitiveness."

The single most important social and economic change that universal superfast broadband delivers is Telehealth.

The remote delivery of healthcare is being trialled widely as a way of trimming health budgets which are spiralling everywhere. In 1960, healthcare represented 3.6 per cent of Australia's GDP. Today health spending as a proportion of GDP is 9.3 per cent. In the US it has already reached 18 per cent. As the country's elderly population grows, its health care system is facing cost pressures and a shortage of doctors, nurses and orderlies.

Shifting some of the less rewarding jobs to robots makes financial and practical sense. There are about 1,000 in US hospitals now carrying towels to the laundry and meals to patients. They are voice-activated and able to navigate busy environments. iRobot Corp has announced it is making a major move in to the health care sector.

The online gaming industry will soon start to demand higher bandwidth speeds too. The computer gaming industry grossed more than $65 billion worldwide in 2011. This compares to global box office movie receipts amounting to about $20 billion. The stereotypical gamer cast as a young adolescent male is also out of date. The average age of players in the US (the biggest market) is 37 and 42 per cent are female according to the Entertainment Software Association.

What might become a crippling cost under the Coalition's approach is the maintenance of Telstra's copper wires which is already estimated to be $1 billion a year. Those who do want the fibre taken to their homes will still have that option under the new Government but it will come at a hefty cost. Mr Turnbull hasn't given an exact price yet but he doesn't baulk at the UK comparison. Next year Britain's BT will begin to offer an all-fibre line on demand at a cost of between £750 ($1,278) and £3,500 ($5,960) depending on your distance from the node.

Malcolm Turnbull often points to the BT example as one which Australia should heed as if fibre to the node is the sum of the British government's ambitions. Last year, the then culture secretary Jeremy Hunt was adamant that that is not the case: "where fibre to the cabinet (node) is the chosen solution, it is most likely to be a temporary stepping stone to fibre to the home". That aside, Mr Turnbull is adamant that it's "very unlikely" Australians will need 1 gigabit of download speeds. That's what they said about the World Wide Web.

We witnessed History on the weekend. A country has actively chosen not to participate in the digital economy in the 21st Century.

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

The Libs are going to stuff this right up are they?

Also as a first time voter this issue was very important for my vote and also important for a lot of young people and if we see the major technological project of the 21ist century stuffed up in this country then Abbott's prime ministership will not last long.

 

[yibbida]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-09-10/ziggy-switkowski-tipped-to-head-nbn/4947470

The Coalition frontbencher Malcolm Turnbull is refusing to confirm whether the former chief executive of Telstra, Ziggy Switkowski, will be appointed to head the National Broadband Network Company.
But Mr Turnbull described him as "highly qualified" and "eminently suitable".
If Dr Switkowski is appointed, one of his first challenges will be to undertake what is likely to be a highly political audit of the NBN Co's governance and operations.
In the world of telecommunications, it's hard to find a more experienced local operator than Ziggy Switkowski.
Before becoming the head of the Telstra, the one time nuclear physicist ran Optus and the Australian operations of Kodak.
On paper, it is a formidable CV.
But more importantly, his Liberal Party connections run deep.

The Coalition are basically Essendon*

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-09-10/ziggy-switkowski-tipped-to-head-nbn/4947470



The Coalition are basically Essendon*

So Abbott to be suspended by Vlad for bringing the country into disrepute .

 

[Docker Clint]

The Libs are going to stuff this right up are they?

Also as a first time voter this issue was very important for my vote and also important for a lot of young people and if we see the major technological project of the 21ist century stuffed up in this country then Abbott's prime ministership will not last long.

Young people had the opportunity to enrol and vote against and they didn't. Que sera sera..

 

[swingdog]

And even if they did, they were outweighed by mouth breathers in Western Sydney worried about DER BOATZ1111

 

[R00StaR]

And even if they did, they were outweighed by mouth breathers in Western Sydney worried about DER BOATZ1111

Why would they be worried about boats, i thought they'd embrace lots more since they're the poster child for multiculturalism in Australia.

 

[Docker Clint]

http://www.minister.dbcde.gov.au/conroy/media/media_releases/2012/143

 

[Refried Noodle]

http://www.change.org/en-AU/petitio...r-a-fttn-nbn-in-favour-of-a-superior-ftth-nbn

 

[Qsaint]

Today summation is a classic

The massively overstaffed NBN has been going for 5 years, has cost 5 billion so far in construction costs (not operating losses) and is 2 % completed

 

[DivideandMultiply]

So, are the Libs really going to back track on their plans for an opt out internet filter?

 

[medusala]

Everyone benefits !!! Everyone pays tax!!

Tell me who in Australia does not benefit from this with a future outlook ie
.

Not everyone pays income tax. A substantial section of the population are net recipients from the government.

I wouldn't benefit, why would I need faster speed than ADSL? If I as someone who runs a business won't benefit then what does that say about the rest of the population?

http://www.businessspectator.com.au...ail&utm_content=416250&utm_campaign=am&modapt

Telstra Corp Ltd has reportedly begun trials of new mobile technology that is being billed as capable of providing download speeds as much as nine times faster than the coalition's national broadband network (NBN) plan would deliver, according to The Australian Financial Review.
Labor's NBN plan offered customers up to 100 megabits per second, while the coalition is pushing a plan that would guarantee speeds of 50 mbps by 2019.
Telstra plans involve using a technology called “carrier aggregation” aimed at delivering peak mobile download speeds of up to 450 mbps, according to a Telstra strategy briefing cited by the AFR.[/quote]

 

[swingdog]

Isn't the NBN fibre about to go to 1000 Mbs?

 

[Lester Burnham]

yes,

power, water, sewerage etc etc

I built a house a couple of years ago. I had to pay for connections to electricity, water, gas, sewerage and telephone. Why would I expect the government to pay for my connections?

 

[yibbida]

Today summation is a classic

The massively overstaffed NBN has been going for 5 years, has cost 5 billion so far in construction costs (not operating losses) and is 2 % completed

Using the Telstra negotiations as design/construction timeframe...... Good try though.

Are you one of those conservatives that things just get built without any planning, design and project management?

 

[yibbida]

I built a house a couple of years ago. I had to pay for connections to electricity, water, gas, sewerage and telephone. Why would I expect the government to pay for my connections?

All those services are probably owned by private companies......

 

[Pessimistic]

I built a house a couple of years ago. I had to pay for connections to electricity, water, gas, sewerage and telephone. Why would I expect the government to pay for my connections?

Do you pay when a company makes upstream improvements

Thats right , yes you do, they charged us for our smart meters, but they usually aggregate the charges and buld into charging model

 

[Docker Clint]

I guess that means the government will ignore lobbyists from big business in future.