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There was some talk on the draft board that has Cockatoo going to WCE. But yes I agree there is every chance a few of these speed demons may bolt.
Agreed

I have a little bit of hope that McDonald will slide to us. Most of the teams have already taken the KPD in the first round.....
 

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Yeah I think anyone with a left foot will be high on our list.

After weeks of toing and froing, I've finally settled on my own preferred candidate. Have posted this earlier but for those who missed it:

At pick 14, welcome to the AFC

Pick 14* - GWS: Jarrod Garlett (WA, Line breaking outside midfielder)

177 cm, 72 kg, 18/8/96
Range: Top 40
Comparison: Danyle Pearce

Jarrod Garlett is a personal favourite of mine and someone I think could well be the best outside run/carry player in the draft. Someone who could be played on a wing or off any flank, he's a speedy, agile and skilled outside mid. The comparison between he and Pickett will be flogged over the next few months but it's a good one - both are indigenous outside speedsters from WA and have a lot in common. I prefer Garlett. When running he's aware of the field around him and is constantly thinking about his next move unlike Pickett who just runs. If you're picking up Garlett it's because of his pace. And while that's his major strength the supporting attributes are sound as well. His skills while raw are technically sound. He's capable of nailing long range kicks but lacks a bit of consistency.

Without the ball Garlett is able to keep track of a man and does run both ways. When the team is in possession Garlett works hard to find opportunities and while he's primarily outside he does work hard to put himself in a position to be fed the ball. Incredibly dual sided, his footskills aren't as consistent as he'd like but there's definitely a base to work with and if he fixes them he'll be a real player. The next step is to work on some extra versatility and winning his own ball. Danyle Pearce is a good comparison for him and I expect Garlett to reach a similar level to Pearce at his peak.

Evaluation of his prospects: Outside players are always risky, but Garlett seems to have the workrate to get the best out of himself. Kicking off both feet also gives him a real point of difference. I don't think he has the potential to be genuinely elite, but I'd rate his chances of making the grade as better than most outside types.

*fixed that for you skippos;)

If we are to take an outside mid with our 1st I'd much sooner Nakia Cockatoo, quick, bigger bodied, better footskills and also capable on the inside already, ticks more boxes than Garlett IMO. However Liam Duggan is still the one I'm hoping for though.
 

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If we are to take an outside mid with our 1st I'd much sooner Nakia Cockatoo, quick, bigger bodied, better footskills and also capable on the inside already, ticks more boxes than Garlett IMO. However Liam Duggan is still the one I'm hoping for though.
Yeah would be happy if we picked Nakia.

Duggan is steady, no explosive pace, but lovely left foot.
 

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Interesting quote from Kightmare:

I can only speak as a Collingwood fan but I'd love to move pick 5 for 17 and 20. I'm just not seeing such a great difference between those early picks and those top 20 or so picks.
Interesting idea, supports our recruiters' view of this years draft.

And would have been tempting for Essendon......would've meant they'd have got #5 and Adam Cooney for Ryder, while losing pick #20.
 

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Yeah would be happy if we picked Nakia.

Duggan is steady, no explosive pace, but lovely left foot.
Look if we take Garlett I'll be satisfied and support that our recruiting team have done their due diligence on his foot skills, character and the "go home" factor, just worries me a tad is all....personally I see a little Jarman Impey in him, runs really fast but very average skills.
 

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Duggan's not quick enough for mine. I think we need actual explosive pace, not just "pretty quick". Garlett at 14 is too high too. I don't like him as much as the other speedy outside players in contention at our pick. I just don't think he's good enough.
 

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Duggan and Menadue are the two i'm keen on, both quick with Menadue being explosively quick with good disposals (with Duggans Point of difference being a lefty)

Either of them i'll be happy, but there are isn't many players in that top 20 i'd be overly disappointed with getting.
 

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Interesting quote from Kightmare:

I can only speak as a Collingwood fan but I'd love to move pick 5 for 17 and 20. I'm just not seeing such a great difference between those early picks and those top 20 or so picks.
I've been following the draft for a while now and that's certainly the feeling I'm getting, even with the top 5 included, the top 20 is an absolute crap shoot, with every chance being that the best players are selected at 19 and 20. This is despite that fact that this is the first truly untainted first round since 2008.

It will be an interesting draft to watch and look back on in a few years time.
 

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As much as I'd love to see us take whoever is available out of Weller, Pickett, Duggan or Cockatoo (likely to only be 1 of them available at 14), it's becoming pretty clear in my eyes that we're going tall. Goddard, Durdin, Langford or Marchbank is our man. I'd have money on it. Gut feeling: Goddard.
 

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Of course that's right. The question is SHOULD we be settling for a needs pick on a player all the other clubs have at 14 plus
That have picks before us.

ST K
MELB
GWS
COLL
GCFC
GEEL
WCE
RICH
FRE

We just need to have someone lined up that these teams aren't going to pick.
 
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What - because he burnt it 2-3 times in 4 minutes of highlights?

There was a couple of times v Metro he kicks to the spare man granted, but look at his game v Country. One bad turn over is a pile of disposals that went to advantage.

Very harsh
No because he burnt it most of the time and picked a poor option. Let's see where he gets picked, if he goes top 20 I'm happy to be called out.
 
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He was a trade, not a draft pick.
How irrelevant when considering our decision making

Yes the strategy was sold to him, so you agree that Walsh wanted in the second round and so Noble had to be certain there was a way to accommodate that request knowing he was losing 31. So he sells to Walsh that he has a plan that can keep him in the second round, pick up the 2 players, and only lose 4 spots in both rounds. Phil checks there is no loss of Dangerfield and decides it sounds ok.
In your scenario Noble trades in the 2 players with about 2 minutes on the clock, runs to Walsh and dumps them at his feet, wags his tail, sits and waits for a biscuit. Walsh screams "what, no gravy - you forgot about the gravy ( sorry - old cartoon ). Realising he had let his master down and knowing he had approximately 60 seconds to redeem himself, he commences negotiations with other clubs to get back that 2nd round pick.
Fortunately with 30 seconds to go he finds an interested party and with 3 seconds on the clock the trade is done.
Nah, no way were the deals linked:rolleyes:
So Geelong weren't trying to move up the draft order at all.
We gave them a cold call in the last millisecond of trade week and got them across the line.
There were no discussions beforehand. No "if this happens then how about..." conversations.
Ok.

How many Premierships do you think Geelong would have won without their father/son selections, or do you think it had little or no Impact on their Premiership successes??
Do you truly believe players like Ablett, Scarlett, Hawkins etc who were unavailable to other clubs didn't most certainly assist in a big way with Geelong's ultimate success??
There are advantages available to every club. Would we have won any flags without the SA players who were only available to us? Start up clubs come in and there are opportunities. Would Essendon have won in 2000 if they hadn't been able to snap up Lloyd/Lucas for a bag of peanuts? Us without grabbing McLeod? The what if stuff applies to everyone, it's a waste of time.
 

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How irrelevant when considering our decision making


So Geelong weren't trying to move up the draft order at all.
We gave them a cold call in the last millisecond of trade week and got them across the line.
There were no discussions beforehand. No "if this happens then how about..." conversations.
Ok.
Of course there were discussions beforehand, the trades were linked, I'm not sure where the argument is?
 

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No because he burnt it most of the time and picked a poor option. Let's see where he gets picked, if he goes top 20 I'm happy to be called out.
It's not a matter of being called out. It's an even draft and depending on needs Garlett could go anywhere between 10-30 IMO, so there's no right or wrong.

I agree some of his disposal v Metro was questionable, but v Country his handball was accurate and creative, his kicking either hit targets or went to advantage in all but one case.
 
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