National Draft

[BunjiMac]

I believe we can get Ebert at pick # 10.

I'm like Martin Luther King - I HAVE A DREAM...WE CAN GET EBERT!!!

I so hope you're right.

 

[CarnCrows]

Rendel's loss of pick 22 seems to be a pretty big one at the moment, that would have in handy, 27 and 30 are almost a touch too late.

Yeah 22 would have been fantastic ... I hope this doesnt come back to bite us

We never had it to lose it???? OK it would have been nice to get it, but it would also be nice to get pick 5.

 

[crowman_23]

I for one hope with pick 10 and 27 we pick the best player available, as long as it isnt another brainiac halfback flanker who lacks a bit of pace. Whether it be a key forward, defender or pacy midfielder grab them. With the lower picks we should draft players for requirements. We need pace big time!

Agree. But also hope the best available player is exactly what we need. If there is a few players reasonably close though I would go for what we need every single time.

From what I've heard readin this thread would love a player like Rioli.

 

[bus24]

From what I've heard readin this thread would love a player like Rioli.

I've now decided this is the guy I want at 10. Why, I'm not sure. I don't think I've actually read a bad word on the guy though.

Pretty sure if we wanted him, he would make #10.

 

[DJ75]

For mine I would go:

Pick 10: Ebert or Rioli
Pick 27: Vesp
Pick 30: Greenwood
Pick 38: Wudke
Pick 59: Young McAdam
Pick 75: Walker

I reckon that would help solve our crumbing and midfield pace problems!
Would be stoked if we got Ebert, Vesp, Greenwood and McAdam.
And yes I do know there is not much chance of Vesp sliding that far, but the others seem reasonable. What do you all think?

 

[bus24]

Greenwood doesn't seem to be very highly rated by many posters on the Drafting/Trading board.

I get the perception that he's a bit "vanilla". Jack of all trades, master of none is the common theme.

I'm a big Mitch Farmer fan, would he be a good choice at 27?

 

[BunjiMac]

I've now decided this is the guy I want at 10. Why, I'm sure. I don't think I've actually read a bad word on the guy though.

Pretty sure if we wanted him, he would make #10.

All aboard the Rioli train!!!

 

[-VC-]

Greenwood doesn't seem to be very highly rated by many posters on the Drafting/Trading board.

I get the perception that he's a bit "vanilla". Jack of all trades, master of none is the common theme.

I'm a big Mitch Farmer fan, would he be a good choice at 27?

Yes absolutely. I think I've referred to Greenwood as a 7/10 player. Rates a 7 at pretty much every aspect of the game. No weaknesses, no absolute strengths.

Also, it wouldn't be a good strategy to look at Ebert, Veszpremi and Greenwood in the same draft. Ebert has a lot more class but at the end of the day they're all big bodied, sort of stocky midfield/forward options. They're not exactly the same sorts of player but they are just a little too similar for my liking to take all three. At the very most you'd have two in the same draft.

 

[hugecannon]

Is McAdam eligible for the draft this year I thought he was too young?

 

[BlackDouglas]

Is McAdam eligible for the draft this year I thought he was too young?

Is that the same McAdam that channel 10 did a story on about 3 weeks ago?

If so why wouldn’t he go father son to Brisbane Lions or St Kilda surly Gilbert (it was his son if it the same one as the story) would have played 100 game for one of the 2 clubs?

Edit: well god dam he only played 111 games in total, I was pretty sure he played plenty more than that. 53 for St Kilda and 58 for the BB between 91 and 96

http://stats.rleague.com/afl/stats/players/G/Gilbert_McAdam.html

 

[-VC-]

Yep, he is Gilbert's son and no, he's not eligible this year.

 

[vlbl]

All aboard the Rioli train!!!

I think i am one of the few people on this board that has a degree of hesitation to taking cyril rioli at pick 10. I know all of you are justifying this selection merely due to the fact the we are lacking a genuine crummer and rioli will fit that specific category. However, in the long-run rioli is considered a midfielder and to be honest we have our fair share of 'small' mids running around (douglas and mackay).

For mine you should take every draft on its merit. Considering this draft has more midfielder/KPB/HBF and crummers we should focus on those areas instead of focusing on your need with your first pick. I think a need that is as important in addressing is the need for a big bodied midfielder, with the eminent departure of goodwin in a couple of years. If at pick 10 Ebert is already taken one guy that is going to fit the bill perfectly (and is a left footer) is David Myers. Saw him play at the champs and also have heard some real good things about him from the folks in WA who see him on a regular basis and most of them have said that he might end up to be the best out of the lot (out of the WA kids) and that is saying something considering the strength of the WA team this year.

Yes Myer plays of the HBF at the moment, but he has the makings of a quality running midfielder who knows how to get his own footy and has the footy smarts to use his disposals very efficiently. Played a fair few WAFL senior games this year for Pert and avg. 20+ disposals per game. I really hope we get him at pick 10 and not rioli as that issue can be addressed in our later picks with the likes of (maric, farmer, veszpremi, hockey, motlop, aaron joseph and even wonnamerrie) one of them will definetly be around for our picks at 27, 30 and 38.

Our defense is well placed for the future and our forward structure probably need a bit more attention, but i if we are to be a force in the 2-3 years time we need to get the new crop of midfielder running.

 

[BunjiMac]

I think rioli will bring that x-factor missing at the crows

 

[J-Ro-20]

whens the actual date for the draft?

 

[jo172]

whens the actual date for the draft?

Election Day

 

[crowsarethebest]

I reckon we need another genuine Hard nut, inside player who dishes out to the running defenders. Thommo does a good job but we need a youngster developing. Genuine pace and flair would be handy as well.

 

[earlsta]

What we need is a midfielder with blistering speed, someone that can kick over 30 goals a year. Someone that the tops hard ball gets in every game he plays, as good on the outside as he is on the inside.

Someone that can beat 2 players by himself more often than not, only because of that burst of speed, someone that is courageous....****ing Carlton got him.

 

[BunjiMac]

I reckon we need another genuine Hard nut, inside player who dishes out to the running defenders. Thommo does a good job but we need a youngster developing. Genuine pace and flair would be handy as well.

Could campbell be this player?

 

[lunacy]

I looked at our list and started a thread showing the best lineup for players who are 25yrs and under. This best shows where our needs/deficiencies are as Bassett, Goodwin, Edwards, Mcleod, Biglands, Welsh and Burton wont be around by the time most of our new draftees play their first game.

I believe we need:

1 x midfielder
1 x small forward (who can play in the middle as well)
1 x midfielder (who can play as a small forward as well)
1 x Key foward/3rd tall (ie Dave Gourdis if still available or Nick Salter)
1 x Ruckman or midfielder (choose the best available of the 2 types)

Ideal situation, but unlikely because some would be gone just before our pick:
Pick 10 Ebert/Rioli
Pick 27 Veszpremi
Pick 30 Maric/Motlop
Pick 38 Gourdis/Salter/Scott Simpson (take best available)
Pick 59 Normington/Jay Bowden/Polkinghorne or Ruckman (Will Sullivan)
Pick 75 Taylor Walker

Rookie List (obviously if still available)
Will Sullivan (Ruck)
James Wundke (Key Fwd)
Jay VB/Petrenko (HBF/BP/wing)
Zac Miller/Jesse Aish (wing/opportunist forward)

 

[BunjiMac]

I looked at our list and started a thread showing the best lineup for players who are 25yrs and under. This best shows where our needs/deficiencies are as Bassett, Goodwin, Edwards, Mcleod, Biglands, Welsh and Burton wont be around by the time most of our new draftees play their first game.

I believe we need:

1 x midfielder
1 x small forward (who can play in the middle as well)
1 x midfielder (who can play as a small forward as well)
1 x Key foward/3rd tall (ie Dave Gourdis if still available or Nick Salter)
1 x Ruckman or midfielder (choose the best available of the 2 types)

Ideal situation, but unlikely because some would be gone just before our pick:
Pick 10 Ebert/Rioli
Pick 27 Veszpremi
Pick 30 Maric/Motlop
Pick 38 Gourdis/Salter/Scott Simpson (take best available)
Pick 59 Normington/Jay Bowden/Polkinghorne or Ruckman (Will Sullivan)
Pick 75 Taylor Walker

Rookie List (obviously if still available)
Will Sullivan (Ruck)
James Wundke (Key Fwd)
Jay VB/Petrenko (HBF/BP/wing)
Zac Miller/Jesse Aish (wing/opportunist forward)

That looks pretty good to me, I have a feeling Port will pick up Motlop if he is there at 28 and that Patrenko will get picked up by someone. Wonnameri as rookie??

 

[-VC-]

I looked at our list and started a thread showing the best lineup for players who are 25yrs and under. This best shows where our needs/deficiencies are as Bassett, Goodwin, Edwards, Mcleod, Biglands, Welsh and Burton wont be around by the time most of our new draftees play their first game.

I believe we need:

1 x midfielder
1 x small forward (who can play in the middle as well)
1 x midfielder (who can play as a small forward as well)
1 x Key foward/3rd tall (ie Dave Gourdis if still available or Nick Salter)
1 x Ruckman or midfielder (choose the best available of the 2 types)

Ideal situation, but unlikely because some would be gone just before our pick:
Pick 10 Ebert/Rioli
Pick 27 Veszpremi
Pick 30 Maric/Motlop
Pick 38 Gourdis/Salter/Scott Simpson (take best available)
Pick 59 Normington/Jay Bowden/Polkinghorne or Ruckman (Will Sullivan)
Pick 75 Taylor Walker

Rookie List (obviously if still available)
Will Sullivan (Ruck)
James Wundke (Key Fwd)
Jay VB/Petrenko (HBF/BP/wing)
Zac Miller/Jesse Aish (wing/opportunist forward)

I like your strategy. The first three picks don't have very much diversity in practicality though. I see Rioli, Veszpremi, Maric and Motlop in a relatively similar light. Some are midfielders that can play as a small forward, some are small forwards who can play in the midfield. Even Ebert and Veszpremi have a couple of similarites - big bodied, tough midfielder. I would be happy to see any of these guys on our list (Ebert, Veszpremi, Rioli, Maric, Motlop is my order of preference) but getting three of those players with our first three picks offers little diversity. FWIW, I'd have Mitch Farmer ahead of Motlop though - apart from that I completely agree with getting those players, just not using our first three picks on them!

I also think there's a much more pressing need for getting a young rebounding defender than we are leading ourselves to believe. We either redraft Pfeiffer or draft someone to replace Pfeiffer. Just because our defence is OK now doesn't mean it will be in a few years with Torney already gone, McLeod, Bassett and Massie going. I've seen Veszpremi and Farmer play good footy rebounding from defence but I feel those players would be better used elsewhere. Andy Otten, Brendan Whitecross or Steven Browne could be good options around Pick 30 or 38 (I admit I've seen very little of Browne but he looked handy and I've heard more good things).

 

[Freddy Bassett]

Pace, pace,pace...Surely this has to be our no1 priority. Without sounding like a racist, I would be cautious using a first round pick on an indigenous player, unless you already have enough young talent which we dont. Have seen too many misses rather than hits. Sure Mcleod, Burgoynes, Buddy, Oloughlin make me sound wrong, but how many Cockatoos, Clarkes, Tamblings, Oakley-Nicholls, Cupidos etc? And on the other hand how many gems have been found with nothing picks from nowhere like Pearce, Stiffy, Pickett etc. Pick 10 must be a 10 year player, we dont need cream on the cake.

 

[BunjiMac]

Pace, pace,pace...Surely this has to be our no1 priority. Without sounding like a racist, I would never risk a first round pick on an indigenous player, unless you already have enough young talent which we dont. Have seen too many misses rather than hits. Sure Mcleod, Burgoynes, Buddy, Oloughlin make me sound wrong, but how many Cockatoos, Clarkes, Tamblings, Oakley-Nicholls, Cupidos etc? And on the other hand how many gems have been found with nothing picks from nowhere like Pearce, Stiffy, Pickett etc. Pick 10 must be a 10 year player, we dont need cream on the cake.

Isn't Cupido a South African?

You can also add Wells to the success list i think (he should have been an AFC player)

I think the Jury is still out on Tambling, if at a different club I reckon hed go alright

I'd also be interested to compare the stats of non indigenous players to indigenous in terms of first round pick failures. I have a feeling they would be pretty much the same (based on no facts just gut feeling) and that Indigenous players just stand out more because they are the minority? But like I said I have no facts, hopefully someone has some stats, wheres mcavaney when u need him

 

[Freddy Bassett]

Yeah you might be right you know. Might be a bit harsh aswell. I suppose my main point is there seems to be so many Rookie listed, last round Daveys and Pearces that I dont see why we dont pick up atleast 1 Aboriginal each year. If they come on they are game breaking x-factors. Not many average 10 year players, usually superstars... I suppose my point is how many players of indigineous backgrounds have made it in the top 25 picks compared to the bottom end of the draft. Then compare that to white caucasians.

 

[BunjiMac]

Yeah fair enough... I still think the numbers will be pretty similar. I personally would not exclude a pick on race or colour alone.