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[MadMundy]

Please God no, we don't need a national reserves competition.

 

[DQ 4EVER]

This is an opportune time for me to get back up on my hobby horse...

The game is Australian rules football. The AFL is merely 1 competition among many hundreds of competitions where the competitors play Aussie rules football. That the AFL have successfully managed to rename the sport after themselves is not only hubris, but they've somehow managed to assume some sort of ownership over our game which, quite frankly, they are so monumentally bad at.

I die a little on the inside when I hear someone say their child plays 'AFL' after enrolling them in Auskick...

/end rant

I can't like this post enough
I agree 100%

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[Nothing]

This is an opportune time for me to get back up on my hobby horse...

The game is Australian rules football. The AFL is merely 1 competition among many hundreds of competitions where the competitors play Aussie rules football. That the AFL have successfully managed to rename the sport after themselves is not only hubris, but they've somehow managed to assume some sort of ownership over our game which, quite frankly, they are so monumentally bad at.

I die a little on the inside when I hear someone say their child plays 'AFL' after enrolling them in Auskick...

/end rant

 

[anchor man]

This is an opportune time for me to get back up on my hobby horse...

The game is Australian rules football. The AFL is merely 1 competition among many hundreds of competitions where the competitors play Aussie rules football. That the AFL have successfully managed to rename the sport after themselves is not only hubris, but they've somehow managed to assume some sort of ownership over our game which, quite frankly, they are so monumentally bad at.

I die a little on the inside when I hear someone say their child plays 'AFL' after enrolling them in Auskick...

/end rant

Well said.OUR game has been hijacked and stolen by the self righteous AFL Victorians.
But, many of the minor kids compewtitions ARE run by the AFL. It is the start of the end for football as we knew it.
It is very hard tpo try to explain to mothers who say that their kid plays AFL.

 

[anchor man]

Please God no, we don't need a national reserves competition.

I assumeyou area talking to the AFL with your opening two words.
There is no god, but there is an AFL.

 

[Lach72]

The only way I could see this working is an increase of list size to 55 with the extra 15 or so players being genuine rookies.
kids 18-20 years old….paid rookie wages. 45-60k.
AFL pays their wages and the associated costs
older players would need to be on the main list and paid accordingly

Each club gets a genuine academy with the first round protected from FS and academy picks then matching could be done with a pick in the round the player was picked in.

 

[Superkoops]

Please God no, we don't need a national reserves competition.

The problem is there is already a reserves comp and only four teams (Port, Adelaide, Freo and WCE) aren’t part of it.

Port, Adelaide and WC will jump ship at earliest opp. So that leaves Freo with no option. It will 100% kill the WAFL and SANFL. The four SA/WA teams will need extra numbers to make sure there are teams each week which just depletes the second tier comps in WA and SA making them irrelevant

 

[Paracleet]

It won't kill the state comps if they get given a cut of the money. After all the various state amature comps probably have enough players in them to furnish several full clubs of players better than the existing average, but they play down a level because they can get more money (and only train twice a week)

Couple of million each should do it, a drop in the ocean.

Peel is stuffed though.

 

[Demons09]

It won't kill the state comps if they get given a cut of the money. After all the various state amature comps probably have enough players in them to furnish several full clubs of players better than the existing average, but they play down a level because they can get more money (and only train twice a week)

Couple of million each should do it, a drop in the ocean.

Peel is stuffed though.

Wc and Freo will be getting the same sort of top up players WC have now unless the AFL puts in big money, most of the decent Wafl players have jobs so their wage plus what they get from their Wafl club and full time training it won’t be cheap.

 

[Paracleet]

I don't think there is any question that they won't increase list sizes (Maybe back to 44 as it's clear 42 is pushing it). It's just if you remove all the AFL players from their alignment clubs, which is still a few what 5, 6? Then that's a lot of players for that league to replace.

More I think about it the more I think it's going to almost certainly going to cause a couple of VLF clubs (rather than join the vafa) and Peel to fold. The SNAFL and WAFL overall would be better off though so long as a favourable deal can be cut.

This where the conflict of interest at the WAFC is going to be a problem.

 

[Fyfster]

It was before my time, I couldn't have told you the biggest three WAFL clubs of the 80s, just throwing names out there for an example. Wouldn't really matter in the proposed promotion/relegation system anyway.

Claremont were interested at 1 point in doing a 1 club proposal to join the AFL after they had success in an expanded pre season Comp , And made the semi finals back then it was called the Escort Cup if I remember correctly which was a cigarette brand .
The Afl was pushing for more or less what they finished up with TBH a West Australian team far more marketable than a WAFL team which would have been a slower burn as far as bums on seats was concerned , As although Claremont was a reasonably successful club it didn't have massive supporter base.

 

[vidwhal]

Another angle to think on this subject is this.

I can see it being beneficial to experience interstate travel more consistently as a seconds-level player but could this also be a negative and add more wear & tear on our younger players and retire earlier?

 

[basashi]

I think it is only worth doing if they can play the players a living. And I don't see that happening even with current expenses. Add in the cost of travel and you have no hope.

It is all a reminder about how small the game really is. In England even third tier soccer* players earn much more than players in the AFL. At that level the average salary is about AUD690k, wheras the AFL has just punched through 400k. Their third tier league includes the 45th to the 68th ranked teams in the country. Players in the second tier of English soccer average over AUD3.1 million.

Even with only 18 teams we would be playing our national reserves players peanuts. If you are going to pay peanuts you can't subject them to any sort of travel regime. Waste of time.

* it is well established that soccer is a stupid game

 

[Purple Suit]

The problem is there is already a reserves comp and only four teams (Port, Adelaide, Freo and WCE) aren’t part of it.

Port, Adelaide and WC will jump ship at earliest opp. So that leaves Freo with no option. It will 100% kill the WAFL and SANFL. The four SA/WA teams will need extra numbers to make sure there are teams each week which just depletes the second tier comps in WA and SA making them irrelevant

I agree, WC will see it as the only way out of their current predicament. No way will they concede their idea was wrong, instead they just move onto a National reserves comp as a natural progression. They will probably offer to fund/subsidies the remaining 4 teams joining just so they can fix their mess.

I hope we hold out as long as possible as I am enjoying the WC WAFL embarrassment far to much and want it to continue.

 

[Bigger]

The SA teams won't be as affected as we will because the travel costs will murder us.

I suspect the problems the Beagles have will be suffered by us if we join a national reserves comp; ie, there will be no incentive for halfway decent players to leave their WAFL clubs/conditions to get their arses handed to them for *-all and for waaaaay more hassle.

The young ones would be leaving the WAFL development pathways and have nowhere to play when they didn't get a gig and the older ones would have jobs. No-one is getting into the AFL from the Beagles. Why would they from Bemantle?

 

[CapitalA]

I think it is only worth doing if they can play the players a living. And I don't see that happening even with current expenses. Add in the cost of travel and you have no hope.

It is all a reminder about how small the game really is. In England even third tier soccer* players earn much more than players in the AFL. At that level the average salary is about AUD690k, wheras the AFL has just punched through 400k. Their third tier league includes the 45th to the 68th ranked teams in the country. Players in the second tier of English soccer average over AUD3.1 million.

Even with only 18 teams we would be playing our national reserves players peanuts. If you are going to pay peanuts you can't subject them to any sort of travel regime. Waste of time.

* it is well established that soccer is a stupid game

I think they plan to pay them a living by televising games and the travel costs are minor as they jump on the charter flights the corresponding afl team is taking.

 

[WilloTree]

In the same way North refused to relocate to Qld, Freo should refuse to join a National Reserves competition (unless all games are in Perth).

Last thing we need is more interstate travel.

 

[DocT]

In the same way North refused to relocate to Qld, Freo should refuse to join a National Reserves competition (unless all games are in Perth).

Last thing we need is more interstate travel.

I agree with this.
Last thing the planet needs is more people flying around frequently and avoidably too.

 

[basashi]

I think they plan to pay them a living by televising games and the travel costs are minor as they jump on the charter flights the corresponding afl team is taking.

where will th emoney come from really though? what are those tv rights going to be worth?

 

[pK75]

where will th emoney come from really though? what are those tv rights going to be worth?

The clubs have the money, it’s about the AFL giving a direction on how much they can spend, you only need to pay the 20 top up players 100k each (2mil) and they are on a decent wage. virgin provides the flights (schedule interstate trips with the AFL teams) give clubs extra spending for accommodation and away you go.
The choice is whether we want our reserve’s playing interstate every second week or not and the impact on local leagues of us and WC plundering the 40 best players each year.

 

[Taylor]

The clubs have the money,

Do they? Thirty people per team (24 + staff) at $200 a ticket each way every second week is $132,000. Sharing a hotel room two per room at $200 a night for two nights is another $66,000. Let's pay all the players and staff $40,000, that's $1,200,000 for a total footy department spend of $1,398,000 excluding all kits, meals, medical expenses, insurance, equipment etc.

And I suspect that the prices I've used here are potentially out by up to 100%.

WAFC royalty payment last year was $2,250,000. Total profit for 2022 was $2,428,000.

I don't think Freo can afford that footy program and we are quite well off AFL wise.

 

[anchor man]

The clubs have the money, it’s about the AFL giving a direction on how much they can spend, you only need to pay the 20 top up players 100k each (2mil) and they are on a decent wage. virgin provides the flights (schedule interstate trips with the AFL teams) give clubs extra spending for accommodation and away you go.
The choice is whether we want our reserve’s playing interstate every second week or not and the impact on local leagues of us and WC plundering the 40 best players each year.

Not every AFL have the money. There are still a few sucking onthe teat of the AFL,
Some, if not money are still relying on the AFL to feed the with extra picks within the draft etc.
No, all clubs do not have money.

 

[pK75]

Do they? Thirty people per team (24 + staff) at $200 a ticket each way every second week is $132,000. Sharing a hotel room two per room at $200 a night for two nights is another $66,000. Let's pay all the players and staff $40,000, that's $1,200,000 for a total footy department spend of $1,398,000 excluding all kits, meals, medical expenses, insurance, equipment etc.

And I suspect that the prices I've used here are potentially out by up to 100%.

WAFC royalty payment last year was $2,250,000. Total profit for 2022 was $2,428,000.

I don't think Freo can afford that footy program and we are quite well off AFL wise.

See, freo and WC could afford that and still turn a profit. AFL would sell the tv rights, at least half the games every week would be a double header with the AFL game coming before or after the seconds game, there’d be increased sponsorship money to have logos on the seconds team uniforms.
Money is not the main issue, it’s if we and the AFL can be bothered with the logistical problems and what do they do with all the stand alone teams in VFL currently, it’s already a 21 team comp, making it 25 would be ridiculous not to mention they would be stretching their budgets coming to WA or SA without piggy backing on an AFL team.

 

[pK75]

Not every AFL have the money. There are still a few sucking onthe teat of the AFL,
Some, if not money are still relying on the AFL to feed the with extra picks within the draft etc.
No, all clubs do not have money.

Every team except Adel, Port, Freo and WC are already in the VFL, we’re the ones who would need to cough up, all 4 can afford it.

 

[Demons09]

Every team except Adel, Port, Freo and WC are already in the VFL, we’re the ones who would need to cough up, all 4 can afford it.

The top up player’s would be the same as the ones that WC scrounge up, any decent Wafl player wont sign up unless the renumeration is bloody good, anyway i don’t reckon this will happen anytime soon.