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http://www.defence.gov.au/army/ahu/history/national_service.htm

National Service scheme was reintroduced in 1965. The cause was both Government concerns with Australia's capacity to deal effectively with direct security concerns in the region. The Government doubted the Army's capability to deal with, in the worst case, any commitment to Vietnam, the Indonesian confrontation of Malaysia, or any conflict in Papua-New Guinea on the common border with Indonesia.
This period of national service involved, for most of the period, two years full-time duty. Selection was not universal but based on a selective system employing a ballot. The National Service Act provided for conscripts to be liable for overseas service. Some conscripts did see service in Malaysia and Singapore, as well as Vietnam.


Is this something more likely as we follow America into more hotter spots?

The reasons above sound eerily like what is occuring today.With concerns to security in the region to our commitment in Iraq

I also feel it may be another way to hide the unemployment rate.

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When the Draft Comes Marching In



Oh when the draft, comes marching in

Oh when the draft comes marching in

I hope they don't call your boy's number

When the draft comes marching in



Oh when our boys, go overseas

Demand for troops starts to increase

We'll wonder why Mr. Bush ever went there

When the draft comes marching in



We bombed Iraq, without allies

A place with no Al Qaeda ties

And as the chaos grows ever larger

We'll watch the draft come marching in




When we believe, that war-hawk spin

And betray allies and the U.N.

Oh they might call that "strength" on the talk shows

Until the draft comes marching in



Now when it comes, your boys will go

The sons of the elite, they will not show

They'll find a way out, just like some of their daddies

When the draft comes marching in



Chorus



(words by Ralph Paterno)
 

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The View From a ''Nasho''

http://www.5rar.asn.au/poems/nasho.htm

JUST A 'NASHO'


To counter the misperceived threat to Australia from a phantom 'Yellow Peril', National Service (military conscription) was introduced by the Menzies' Liberal/Country Party Government in November 1964. It came into effect during the Holt Government in mid 1965. Selection was by birthday ballot and was restricted to 20 year old males. Those selected were called up for two years full time service and then placed on a three year reserve list, should they be further required.
It is a matter of contention (in some quarters at least) as to whether the lower socio-economic members of society were disadvantaged by the scheme. A close examination of the pre-selection backgrounds of all those conscripts who were killed (seeThe Australian October 1992) would indeed confirm that there was an in-built bias against the economically disadvantaged. For example, prior to 1972 tertiary education was not free and therefore remained in the main the province of the wealthy.
Deferments for study and extended education overseas were thus not an option for the working class
. Favourable medical records could be and were used to avoid service (see Geoff Simms' admissions p.112-114 for example in his book A Real Mate, 1991 ABC Enterprises). Others successfully used marriage, homosexuality, drug addiction, criminal histories, religious conviction, apprenticeships, poor health and low IQ as avenues, genuine or feigned, for rejection or avoidance. Others simply disappeared or didn't register. A few chose gaol. Meanwhile, others took their place.
Between 1965-1972, of the 804,286 twenty year old Australian males who registered their names, 63,790 were called- up and of these 17,424 served in Vietnam.......all in the army. Of these, 200 were killed and 1,279 wounded. Sickness and other disabilities plague many more.
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Once again the rich get richer and the poor get screwed
 

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My Grandfather was the first person to run away from compulsory subrscription, he was stolen from Scotland as a child & brought here, then they expected him to fight for the country that stole him, he rebelled.
 

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Reminded me of a little ditty we had when i did my nasho.

The year before you get to vote a letter will come to say a thousand men for uncle Harold are need right away.
we will ship you of to Saigon in Harringtons mothball fleet we are drafting all you fine young men because we have cold feet.
(chorus)You will be stung right stung right S.T.U.N.G
forced to fight and maybe die to save democracy never have so many owed so little to so few but when you sail from Sydney cove we will see know more of you
We advertise the benefits and adult rates of pay for which you only have to slave for 18 hours a day
we will wake you up at 5.30 we wake you from your snoose to polish brash scrub latrines and shine the captains shoes.
Chorus
To tangle with Sokarno we knew it was insane but we sent you to the jungle to be slaughtered just the same not all were to die by bullets not by any means the greater part were to die by good old army pork and beans.
chorus


Probably missed a couple of verses has been a long time

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You can just see it though cant you.....Johnny reintroduces National service to the applause of the John Laws/ Stan Zemanak blue rinse set and anyone who refuses to go and fight as a lapdog for the Americans in Iraq or wherevers next on their hitlist will be branded as 'unAustralian' etc etc...
 

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There isn't enough equipment to sustain large numbers of national servicemen, especially when the regs and reserves don't all have their full kit.
 

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563 dead Nashos and Regs in Vietnam is enough of an arguement against it.

Should only be brought in if we are under a direct Military threat, not because some crank with a deathwish decides he/she does not likes us.
 

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BlueMark said:
563 dead Nashos and Regs in Vietnam is enough of an arguement against it.

Should only be brought in if we are under a direct Military threat, not because some crank with a deathwish decides he/she does not likes us.
Probably the only circumstance for its reintroduction.

However, you'll find there would be a genuine lack of support for such a move generally.

Personally, I've always wanted to do military service..unfortunately, my asthma won't allow me to do so, as I found out when enquiring about joining the Air Force after finishing high school.
 

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UNIT said:
With full control of the senate dont count Johnny out of doing anything.

Yeah it should be a real bad few years.Lets hope he learns some humility from this disaster at the moment, and has a heart and changes his mind on a lot of things he has planned.
 

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