National v Greens Sunrise

[who gives a]

Really looked forward to seeing this the other morning. All i ever heard was just how intelligent Christine Milne was and just how stupid Barnaby is.

Christine Milne not only got flogged by Barnaby but she does not even know her own Green policies!
Anyone voting for the greens needs to look at their policies ( Christine included )
This is a political party that wants to
1) Get rid of the GST, Remove tax concessions on FBT and CGT and abolish the 30% rebate on Private Health Insurance.
2) Introduce an estate tax ( Death Duty Tax )
3) They want to implement a Carbon Tax plus other Ecological Taxes.
4) Increase the company tax rate to 33%

Why would anyone vote for this Party!!

 

[PottSie2]

Any links to the debate ?

 

[who gives a]

Any links to the debate ?

http://au.tv.yahoo.com/sunrise/soapbox/article/-/article/7736012/greens-vs-nationals-who-won-our-real-debate/

try this

 

[strategy]

Really looked forward to seeing this the other morning. All i ever heard was just how intelligent Christine Milne was and just how stupid Barnaby is.

Christine Milne not only got flogged by Barnaby but she does not even know her own Green policies!
Anyone voting for the greens needs to look at their policies ( Christine included )
This is a political party that wants to
1) Get rid of the GST, Remove tax concessions on FBT and CGT and abolish the 30% rebate on Private Health Insurance.
2) Introduce an estate tax ( Death Duty Tax )
3) They want to implement a Carbon Tax plus other Ecological Taxes.
4) Increase the company tax rate to 33%

Why would anyone vote for this Party!!

Your point 2 regarding the " Death Tax " i was following up information weeks ago .
I found it was Gillard who when she was the leader of the Socialist Forum ( which is or was a branch of the ALP ) first bought the idea of " a death Tax " to the ALP.

If you dont believe me check on the internet ..Socialist Forum ...death tax and so on .
More info will come later re this
Now we all know the Greens and the ALP have done a preference deal but what was the deal and what will happen to businesses . taxes , jobs and so on.
The ALP and the Greens wont tell us , why not ?

 

[Caesar]

Whilst I agree most voters need to take a closer look at the Greens' frankly reckless fiscal and economic policies, I don't think Milne got 'flogged' by Bananaby. She's a better public speaker than him, and he misrepresented some of the Greens' policies a bit (well, she did too, but in this format that's how you score points).

On topic though, that tabloid "thirty seconds each way" debate has got to be the most atrocious format I've ever seen. I have no idea how any party with any sort of broad platform is supposed to convey a sense of it to the electorate. Talk about fast food politics.

Perfect example of how shows like this contribute to the dumbing down of society. I hope David Koch feels at least a slight pang of shame when he looks into the mirror in the morning and sees what he's turned into.

 

[PottSie2]

http://au.tv.yahoo.com/sunrise/soapbox/article/-/article/7736012/greens-vs-nationals-who-won-our-real-debate/

try this

Thanks. I can never understand how anyone would willingly vote for the greens.

Tax Tax Tax everything into submission.

 

[Grin]

Thanks. I can never understand how anyone would willingly vote for the greens.

Tax Tax Tax everything into submission.

Educated people do.

The naive and easily misled obviously vote for other parties.

In fact, the more educated you are, the more likely you are to vote Greens.
The less educated you are, the less capable you are able to think critically through the issues, the more likely you are to fall for the fast food politics peddled by the major parties.

I understand that that simple fact makes some on this forum (who like to think of themselves as intelligent because they can cleverly regurgitate myths and propaganda peddled by the major parties) very angry.

Currently about 1.5 million people have the intention of voting Greens, or about 13% of voters.

It's great the an increasing number of people are focused on the long term interests of the nation rather than banner waving for major parties who seem only interested in pork barreling marginal electorates.

Don't be lazy PottSie2. Go back to school, get yourself an education, learn how to think for yourself and not to be a sheep, and come and join us on the intelligent side of politics.

 

[Caesar]

The less educated you are, the less capable you are able to think critically through the issues

That's a rather snobbish generalisation. Not that it surprises me coming from you.

Only somebody who supports something as gloriously impractical as the Greens' economic platform would think that earning a degree in music suddenly makes you more politically intelligent.

 

[stormee]

That's a rather snobbish generalisation. Not that it surprises me coming from you.

Only somebody who supports something as gloriously impractical as the Greens' economic platform would think that earning a degree in music suddenly makes you more politically intelligent.

1) Lulz music degree

2) I agree all those hemp wearing hippies down Fremantle way who vote greens are really educated, finished year 10 and all I hear.

 

[Grin]

That's a rather snobbish generalisation. Not that it surprises me coming from you.

Only somebody who supports something as gloriously impractical as the Greens' economic platform would think that earning a degree in music suddenly makes you more politically intelligent.

You keep saying that. But can't prove it. My assumption is that you are, yet again, regurgitating myths pushed by major parties aimed at the very naive.

I don't know anyone with a degree in fine arts.

I do know people with degrees in architecture, teaching, engineering, nursing and medicine who vote Greens.

Why not try thinking for yourself Caesar rather than insisting that others do it for you.
Try not to be a sheep your whole life.

 

[HarryTiger]

How would say even a Master of Biology help you vote for the right candidate?

Smart people might tend to continue longer with education but it's not a causal relationship. You might need to be smart to get a degree but the degree doesn't make you smart.

 

[PottSie2]

Educated people do.

The naive and easily misled obviously vote for other parties.

In fact, the more educated you are, the more likely you are to vote Greens.
The less educated you are, the less capable you are able to think critically through the issues, the more likely you are to fall for the fast food politics peddled by the major parties.

I understand that that simple fact makes some on this forum (who like to think of themselves as intelligent because they can cleverly regurgitate myths and propaganda peddled by the major parties) very angry.

Currently about 1.5 million people have the intention of voting Greens, or about 13% of voters.

It's great the an increasing number of people are focused on the long term interests of the nation rather than banner waving for major parties who seem only interested in pork barreling marginal electorates.

Don't be lazy PottSie2. Go back to school, get yourself an education, learn how to think for yourself and not to be a sheep, and come and join us on the intelligent side of politics.

LOL. Still going down the elitist route. Oh and the 'get educated' line ... classic.

Just read the consolidated policy list of the greens ... my wallet hurts.

 

[Grin]

How would say even a Master of Biology help you vote for the right candidate?

Smart people might tend to continue longer with education but it's not a causal relationship. You might need to be smart to get a degree but the degree doesn't make you smart.

I think people with higher levels of education are more likely to have been thought to think critically.

Do you really think "stop the boats" "great big tax" "moving forward etc. are aimed at the educated and intelligent

 

[Grin]

my wallet hurts.

Of course it does, you're a Liberal voter contemplating the cost of their insane spending commitments.

Nearing $30 billion as we speak.

But we don't know for sure as they're refusing to have them costed by treasury as they know that no sane person would vote for them if they did.

 

[HarryTiger]

Usually it's the dumb educated people that make the claim that education = intelligence.

It's the old "how dare you, I went to Harvard" line.

 

[who gives a]

1) Lulz music degree

2) I agree all those hemp wearing hippies down Fremantle way who vote greens are really educated, finished year 10 and all I hear.

year 10 s**t thats great and to think i spent 4 years at uni and i still dont vote greens! not sure where i went wrong!

 

[PottSie2]

Of course it does, you're a Liberal voter contemplating the cost of their insane spending commitments.

Nearing $30 billion as we speak.

But we don't know for sure as they're refusing to have them costed by treasury as they know that no sane person would vote for them if they did.

Could you show me the detailed modelling of implementing the Greens policies, including costings, impact to GDP and growth, job losses and creation please, impact of eliminating uranium exports and coal exports.

Good to see even the highly educated Greens echelon aren't immune to spelling mistakes.

"The Greens prtoected our economy, kept Australians in jobs and ensured the allocation for money for important projects through negotiations with the government on the stimulus package."

Maybe the spell checker didn't get enuf edukation.

Does believing in an ideology make you immune from having to accept the real world circumstances ? Does that make you smart or naive?

 

[AndSmithMustScore]

Why not try thinking for yourself Caesar rather than insisting that others do it for you.
Try not to be a sheep your whole life.

What a load of horse s**t.

Greens voters are some of the biggest sheep going around.

This is the mob who is full of members who idolize a murderous **** like Che Guevara.

Yeah, they are the real smart ones.

 

[AndSmithMustScore]

year 10 s**t thats great and to think i spent 4 years at uni and i still dont vote greens! not sure where i went wrong!

You probably went out and had to live and work in the real world.

A place where a lot of Greens voters don't seem to have ventured.

 

[Wonaeamirri33]

This is the mob who is full of members who idolize a murderous **** like Che Guevara.

You're just making things up as you go along now.

That claim is a load of nonsense, and then some.

As to the primary topic of this thread, only the most fanatical pro-Coalition cheerleaders would ever believe that Barnaby "One Plus One = Three" Joyce could ever "flog" anyone in a debate about anything.

The guy is a dead loss in every way.

All i ever heard was just how intelligent Christine Milne was and just how stupid Barnaby is.

You heard correctly.

Certainly Milne is dramatically more intelligent than Joyce, at any rate.

 

[Wonaeamirri33]

On topic though, that tabloid "thirty seconds each way" debate has got to be the most atrocious format I've ever seen. I have no idea how any party with any sort of broad platform is supposed to convey a sense of it to the electorate. Talk about fast food politics.

Perfect example of how shows like this contribute to the dumbing down of society. I hope David Koch feels at least a slight pang of shame when he looks into the mirror in the morning and sees what he's turned into.

This

I don't see how anyone could seriously consider such a ludicrous exercise to be a meaningful 'debate'.

 

[thesquirrel]

http://lancasteruaf.blogspot.com/2008/11/high-iq-greens-low-iq-bnp-voters.html
For your interest gentlemen.
I anticipate a few of you will go down the path that it was backed by The Guardian and unfairly biased or such. Clearly, this is not true of every person - plenty of intelligent Australians will vote Liberal this election, and good luck to them - but it may give you a very general indication, for what it is worth.

 

[RU486]

Nearly all of the Greens policies are moronic, not to mention our national security would be at risk if they ever came into power:

End the ANZUS treaty unless Australia’s membership can be revised in a manner which is consistent with Australia’s international and human rights obligations.

Close all existing foreign bases in Australian territory and end foreign troop deployment, training and hosting on Australian territory.

A reduction in Australian and global military expenditure.

Lower voting Age to 16 (no doubt to increase their %).

Out of Afghanistan.

 

[who gives a]

[



You heard correctly.

Certainly Milne is dramatically more intelligent than Joyce, at any rate.[/quote]


you and others might think so but based on her television debate the other morning she struggled to put together any credible points across and Joyce made her look like childish, i am glad many voters saw her fold under pressure a few from work here certainly did and their votes won’t be going green

 

[Wonaeamirri33]

Somehow, I doubt you two would ever be voting Green under any circumstances anyway, so your opinion of us really doesn't bother me too much.

If big "C" neo-con Liberal voters were to start voting for the Greens, there'd be something seriously wrong with the direction our party was heading in.

End the ANZUS treaty unless Australia’s membership can be revised in a manner which is consistent with Australia’s international and human rights obligations.

Close all existing foreign bases in Australian territory and end foreign troop deployment, training and hosting on Australian territory.

A reduction in Australian and global military expenditure.

Out of Afghanistan.

I certainly support those policies. It represents a very similar approach to that taken by New Zealand in these areas, and last time I checked, it hadn't done them any harm.

I've also strongly advocated lowering the voting age to 16 on many occasions.